Cornelius
Oct 9 2007, 10:08 AM
I've been contemplating this topic for awhile and I have not been able to put my finger on it. In either episode 2.1 or 2.2, when HRG is pulling out the the first painting of the series to show Mrs. Bennet he says something along the lines of, "This is a painting by a very talented artist, Isaac. All of his paintings of come true." Now from what I can remember from last season, all of his paintings came true IN SOME WAY... maybe not the way we first thought it would be when seeing the paintings (for example, we thought Sylar killed Claire, but instead it was another cheerleader). However, what about the painting of the nuclear bomb going off in NYC? That never happened at all. I thought that they "changed the future" or something like that. So IMO, I think that Isaac's paintings are correct 90% of the time, but in no way are they for sure going to happen. Any thoughts?
HeroHunter
Oct 9 2007, 10:09 AM
Sylar would be dead if they were all accurate.
Yodasmommy
Oct 9 2007, 10:11 AM
I agree-HRG can't die! And who is the guy that looks like "claire" is kissing or something in the painting? It kind of looks like Sylar, doesn't it?
insaneagrosvenor
Oct 9 2007, 10:11 AM
Its probably safe to say, though, that if nothing is done to alter the future and everything goes untouched that his paintings would all be true! That's why it's so very important for them to find paintings 2 - 7 so that they can make sure whatever is going to happend, doesn't.
kevlevine
Oct 9 2007, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (HeroHunter @ Oct 9 2007, 02:09 PM)

Sylar would be dead if they were all accurate.
Not really, Isaac drew Sylar being stabbed, which did happen.
QUOTE (insaneagrosvenor @ Oct 9 2007, 02:11 PM)

Its probably safe to say, though, that if nothing is done to alter the future and everything goes untouched that his paintings would all be true! That's why it's so very important for them to find paintings 2 - 7 so that they can make sure whatever is going to happend, doesn't.
This is probably the best explanation. There are multiple examples of paintings Isaac did which are now not likely to occur. For example, the bomb in NYC and Nathan in the oval office,.
strengthnnumbers
Oct 9 2007, 11:35 AM
This has been talked about quite a bit. Isaac painted the future, the future in particular time line... Its not something that is imposible to change... like when Isaac first recognized his abilities.. no one was aware of the terrorist/bus bomb so nothing on that time line changed. The Claire/Sylar painting could have either been a different cheerleader all along, or someone changed the events leading up to the school attack (like Peter being there) thus making the result different.
Isaac saw the future, but it doesnt mean the future was unchangable... I can't see HRG getting the ax... Its just part of a good story arc.
In the end his paintings are accurate in that he saw into the future and painted what he saw however knowledge of his works can change whether or not there outcomes happen like with everyone trying to stop NYC from blowing up course sometimes knowledge of the paintings cause them to happen, like Peter never would of ended up like in the painting where he is dead if not for him seeing the painting and as a result where Claire was. Or Sylar never go to Kirby Square and battle everyone if not for the painting of such..etc.
In the end, yes they are accurate but as the future is not set in stone the events depicted can always be changed.
I have a feeling HRG IS going to die. I don't want him to, though.

) It's true that the bomb didn't blow up NYC.
Quinten
Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (Aia @ Oct 9 2007, 11:46 AM)

I have a feeling HRG IS going to die. I don't want him to, though.

) It's true that the bomb didn't blow up NYC.
Well, seeing as how Noah isn't the only person in the world who wears glasses, how do we really know it is him in the picture? From what I recall, the face wasn't clearly shown, just the glasses. And who else *cough BOB cough* wears glasses and might also be on the killers list?
HRG = Established character, and definately not one of the 9 remaining founders.
Bob = New character, and possibly one of the 9 remaining founders.
insaneagrosvenor
Oct 9 2007, 12:21 PM
Not to digress from this threads topic (although we should know what the paintings are before we analyze the truth of them)
i would say it's def. HRG.
1) Its kind of symbolic that the bullet has gone through the left lens of the glasses..
2) Possibly (most likely) Claire in the background
3) Mohinder talking to HRG when he finds it and saying "its dosen't look good"
4) The reaction of Claire when she comes home
5) The timing of West telling Claire what he remembers (HRG) AND the discovery of the painting AND Claire getting home for an awkward moment.
Therefore its up to him to find the remaining paintings of the series AND act in a way that saves his life! Maybe they aren't so safe after all!
monkeypants
Oct 9 2007, 07:30 PM
I wonder how any of the paintings can still be accurate, unless he can paint the future from multiple timelines. New York did not blow up and it appears Nathan is not headed towards the White House. When Isaac painted these he ,most likely, was painting the future that happed after New York blew up and Nathan was president. That hasn't happened so these paintings could all be wrong now because this future should no longer exist, unless he was able to paint the future from all possible timelines.
QUOTE (monkeypants @ Oct 9 2007, 11:30 PM)

I wonder how any of the paintings can still be accurate, unless he can paint the future from multiple timelines. New York did not blow up and it appears Nathan is not headed towards the White House. When Isaac painted these he ,most likely, was painting the future that happed after New York blew up and Nathan was president. That hasn't happened so these paintings could all be wrong now because this future should no longer exist, unless he was able to paint the future from all possible timelines.
First I will say he probably painted them after events were set in motion that stopped NYC from blowing up so he could see what he did that make him paint the events depicted in the 8 paintings. Or he just can see into multiple timelines because time is fluid, the smallest difference can send ripples though all of time itself plus there is the whole multiple reality/dimension thing.
But in the end his paintings are accurate when he paints them, after that the events depicted can be changed or not mean exactly what they depict.
DoctorClaude
Oct 9 2007, 08:43 PM
Isaac's paintings are as accurate as you want to make them. For example, the dead cheerleader painting that Isaac and Peter painted could either be an altered timeline of Sylar successfully getting Claire, or the actual event of Jackie getting sliced open.
It's like a tarot reading, you look into what you know and what the generalization could mean, and your brain naturally makes assumptions. Like Sylar getting stabbed; we automatically thought that that drawing meant he would die, yet he didn't...but the drawing still showed the events as they happened.
Of course, lovely Candice's illusionary powers get to screw it up some, and like the President Nathan painting shows, not everything we see could be real. If Sylar did get Candice's powers, that painting could be marred by illusions. (Though I personally don't think that's gonna happen.)
Note that a bomb still did go off, just not where Isaac painted it. This means that the future can be altered, if enough planning is put into it. Think about how much effort it took to change this event. If this is the case, Noah and the gang are going to have to tread carefully or they'll walk right into this painting.
Unless, of course, a bomb is still going to go off in New York, no matter what we can do. Maybe they didn't stop it, but only postponed the date of the explosion...
Flymon
Oct 9 2007, 09:18 PM
I really hope this last painting doesn't come true, i think Noah is the best character. I have a feeling that they will change the future in this instance, just like they stopped the bomb from going off in the city. This also confuses me cause we all assumed the paintings were all of the offed originators of the company, but maybe its a revenge list. Angela mentioned that they did something bad and someone wanted revenge. Maybe this bad thing was done by Bennet and maybe it involved more than one member of the company. Linderman says that some lost their way, not one. I am really getting excited for this story arc, since i am almost sure it will eventually come togather with others.
RedWolf
Oct 10 2007, 07:53 AM
Well it is unchangeble unless a certain x factor were to be introduce to the equation.
Yep, our dear Hiro Nakamura.
Remember the comic? Which Bob was reading.
It showed two different timelines.
One Hiro did not initially got involved.
Second Hiro began his adventure.
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