hear me out. i thought the first two episodes of the season were great. but Kindred ... well, i almost wish i hadn't watched it

Sylar's return was far too predictable. what you thought would happen was exactly what happened
nothing was added to the Maya y Alejandro arc (other than a connection with what appears to be Claire's car)
the Niki and Micah scenes didn't have any emotional impact, and they should have
and another Star Trek TOS cameo? it's already old, and i'm saying that as a flippin Trekkie!
Hiro and Kensei and the swordsmith's daughter -- again, entirely predictable
Hiro's note to Ando -- not a good device. there's nothing to stop Ando from reading the end of the story first, but you and i know they'll drag it out for 5 more episodes
Mohinder and Matt -- more domestic squabbling bliss

the one saving grace was Claire and West. still predictable, but at least it was cute

No need for the flaming shield with me. I think the Maya/Alejandro is moving way too slow, but I have an excessive amount of patience in my body. I was angry with Candice for being so stupid but I hope that Sylar ate her brain for nothing because of whatever his current medical condition is.

I liked the Peter storyline and the Hiro storyline. The 90 angry warriors made me laugh!

I'm still waiting for Family/Children Services to show up at Mohinder's and do an investigation as to why two grown men are raising a kid that isn't biologically related to either of them... that whole situation isn't very realistic... but then again, it's fiction..

Not as much as the bad green screen made me laugh.

Yeah I didn't like this episode much either. The only part I liked was the end where HRG gets the painting and then Claire says good night. That was it.

I liked both of these stories up until Peter gets his box and goes, Nah I'm not going to open it. Lame. Hiro's got cheesey when he was all set to go back to his own time and then decides to stay, a love triangle in 1671? Blah.

I'll be annoyed if it turns out Candice really is dead. It's such a bad plot to kill her off like that, IMO. I keep asking: Why would she allow him to do that when she knows all about him? It wouldn't make any sense and was so predictable.

On the other hand, I'm glad we got to see Peter use two powers at the same time.

I can definently tell a big difference from last season to this one. The writing seems different. Last season was much more sci-fi, and this seems very mainstream. Like the writers are trying to cater to a new group of people, instead of sticking to what has worked and got all of us interested in the first place. I love Heroes and I am sticking with the show b/c I love it so much, but I am unsure of the fate if it keeps up like it is

I'm not flaming you because I like you
This actually happened to be my favorite episode.
Maybe it's because I'm a Sylar fan :/
Sure, it was a tad predictable, but I like that for this episode, because it's going to be an extremely rocky, bumpy road in the future, its nice to start of slow and easy.

That's a very interesting point. I remember reading somewhere the reason the network canceled Angel was lack of new-viewer markets. Even though Angel had a strong fan base, the network couldn't figure out a way to expand it so they canned the show.

I wonder if Heroes is trying not to go down the same path.

Agreed, I was very disapointed in this episode. From the cheesy shut-up/flying to the notes in the sword (noone noticed it sais Ando Open in 350 years?). I agree the writing was very different from last year's. Now (judging by just this one show) it's alot more of a drama/love/cheesy mainstream show instead of the groundbreaking season 1. If they keep going with the whole West/Claire brutal story line, I don't know... I just might have to stop watching. I didn't wait all summer to see that awful-a$$ flying-love-scene. Man, so bad. Kill West, bring back her gay friend from Texas...
And who goes to California to hide? Go to Iowa or something.

I think the worst part about this season is that the special effects guys seem to have dropped the ball.

This was by far not my av epi. Nothing big happened that we didn't already know about. Nothing to challenge our theories, nothing ground breaking.. well Noah in the painting wasn't expected but the way the writers gave it to us stunk! Lets build up the tension over a box Peter won't ever open and then as a side bar we will show a painting of Noah dead

The Claire and West thing seems out of place... they moved that way too fast. Its also cheesey in the way they are handing it to us.

The Niki and Micah storyline didn't even give us a chance to get hooked into it. It was just a blip... we saw 90% of their scenes in the commericals this week.

I know everyone is allowed an off week and I do love this show. Hopefully this was just a major prelude week to what is in store.

I was liking things so far this season but then -blap-last night fell flat for me. Like last season, all the little things came together to make me dislike the episode.

-Claire and West: Superman rip off anyone? and his attachment to Claire is feels rushed and unnaturel.

-Mohinder/Matt/Molly: First let me say I HATE Mohinders old apartment, it is disgusting, there was like no better places to rent in all of New York? Next turning Isaac's old place into a lab felt like "Set recycling". And I'm not sure who is stupider the company or Mohinder-bad guy steps out the room? Time to call HRG? like there would be no cameras or other surveillance equipment watching him? and if there isn't the Company deserves to take a fall.

-Hiro/Kensei: Hello back lot! it all doesn't ring as historically accurate. Would of like to see a "darker/grittier" pre history.

-Niki/Micah: Didn't need to come back at all-boring- and while I like Nichelle, it again felt like the writers are like "Look these old trekkers bring in the ratings!"-forced and not needed.

-Sylar: his death still feels like a cop out to me by the writers "Gosh he is too popular to kill now" and the whole Candice thing was just plain stupid or at least she was/is. Hello! this guy is a raving madman!

Peter/Sylar: As predicted the characters turned out to be too powerful and had to be "reset". Saw that coming a mile away.

I hope for better in the coming episodes.

Blech.

I have to say that I agree with you, on the whole. There's nothing that set my pants a-blaze this week, really.

The only thing that made an impact for me was the fact that it was Candice that got Sylar out of the Plaza. All this time I've been thinking how incredibly stupid it was for him not to be there and nobody noticing...and then they go and give a perfectly reasonably explanation by making it the girl who can make people see whatever they want. And I also like the fact that they remembered that she's a big girl in real life, when they seemed to have forgotten it when she was knocked out last series.

Couldn't agree more, i was kinda meh on this last episode. One of the main things that got me though is the green screen/set design some of it just looked terrible. I understand that is a show and they have a budget but there wasn't anything that looked as bad as a few things this episode compared to all of last season.

yea, the west/claire scenes were really cheesy, but hopefully it will be better.

i honestly, didn't care for the niki/micah story. i could have done with out it.

i didn't like that michelle (nichelle?) girl. i could have done without her too. i miss candice

i LOVED the tension right at the end, when claire goes to see Noah to say good night. i thought it was really well done.






i totally noticed the green screen, during west flying with claire. i hope they do it better next time :/

I was about to start my own thread, but then I saw this one. I agree 1000%.

I give them two more episodes to pick it up. If not, I will probably just wait til I have a group of episodes to download and watch before I watch again (Maybe Christmas?). Last night's episode was just horribly CHEESY from beginning to end. It was one thing when the show was slow, but now its just became hard to watch. For example:

Spoiler Alert:

Peter not opening the box because he's scared to find out about his past... CHEESY

West and Claire... HORRENDOUSLY CHEESY

The fact that "Candace" saved Sylar... STUPID & CHEESY

After all of Hiro's "I can't disrupt the space/time continuum" talk, he risks it all for pretty much no reason. UNORIGINAL, BORING, & CHEESY


I think I'll just wait til around Christmas, download all the episodes and watch them then. At least then, I don't have to wait a week between episodes and can maybe enjoy the show again.

I thought this episode was cool. I wonder if the 9thwonders boards will see as many "I'm not going to watch anymore" threats as Kryptonsite has done over the years!

We are in total agreement. The Heroes fans at Sprint Finanace felt this episode was VERY WEAK. Normally we can have at least an hour long discussion on Tuesday about the episode on Monday, but the only ting we agreed upon was the weak script and minimal action!

OK, I can see the illusion of him either being gone or dragged... but to picture her waking that fast after being knocked out by Niki, then dragging him down the manhole or anywhere by herself... ummm...no. Can't picture her in the manhole with anyone and her saying that she got him down into the sewer... not enough room there!

I chalked the poor quality of this episode to just a casualty of middle ground storytelling.

Y'know? There can't be big reveals and groundbreaking events every episode. I will say that I would rather see Sylar doing something else besides looking down his nose at his latest victim. Like, why couldn't a very smart young man like him realize that he needs all the help he can get? Is he really that short sighted by his murderous hunger?

The Sylar storyline gets a 'Really?' Amy Poehler/ Seth Myers style

I liked this episode, not as much as the previous 2, but more then several episodes in s1.

We learned what happened to Niki, Micah, DL, Sylar and Candice since last seasons finale, Claire has someone to confide with (though the flying thing was a bit stretched),
we have a new "bomb" in the death of Noah (something to prevent).
Sylar's powers seem to be bound, or Candice is still alive and making it seem so, but since shher corpse seemed the real candice I doubt it.
Mohinder's infiltration is not a smooth as he supposed, and Matt gets all defensive about it.
Hiro's past idolizing grows to new proportions, after tonight´s episode I´m even considering if Hiro is the Evil Dragon that Kensei has to slay in the stories (Hiros departure back to the present day)
Peter not daring to open the chest for it will change who is at this point (he started fresh this season, and his past will color him, either good or back, he wil change, and doesn't want to)

The painting at the end is extremely interesting. HRG shot in the eye (either close range or done by a professional) and the scenery in the back is very disturbing (is it really claire? I hope it isn't)

I actually like the Claire/ West Story. Claire is itching for a friend with super powers, since her mom left her, her dad won't take her calls and she thinks her uncle is dead. Of course she is going to cling to someone with powers. Same with West, he has never met anyone with powers before.

The SFX for for the flying scene weren't that bad.

An the other hand, EVERYTHING dealing with Hiro is terrible. Terrible Fx, Terrible story and notes in a sword, plz...

I loved the Sylar bit in this episode. Everything else (except for a few brief moments) just felt like more set up for things to (hopefully) come. Done the right way it causes anticipation. Done the wrong way and it just drags. I think it's getting better, but sometimes I think they're wasting time showing some things when they can be showing something else more important that will get the story moving.

Like how many times are Maya and Alejandro going to get separated, kill/almost kill everybody in sight, and have Alejandro save the day so they can run off again?

Did we really need the whole message in the sword thing with Ando?

Was the flashbacks to Hiro's adventures that happened just one episode ago really necessary?

They've only got, what, 50 minutes to tell each part of the story. Make every second count, yeah?

You aren't the only one.


Rabbit--who has probably made that pretty clear.

You guys are not alone. This episode stunk.

I think the only good part of this episode was between Claire and HRG, they have great screen chemistry and I find I alway like their scenes the most. The rest of the episode just did not ring right with me, it seemed real rushed.

I love this show and I will keep watching, I just hope that they keep up with the quality shows.

I guess I'll add my name to the list of disapointed people...

Most dissapointing for me : Peter not opening the box. argh, that's the single moment I was hoping for. blue screen scenes were kinda cheesy and all,

at least the ending with the HRG painting saved it. but having loved the last 2, this one is pretty meh...

Yeah, this wasn't one of the best episodes. I guess we were bound to run into a hiccup sooner or later (it just happened to be sooner ). But the ending was redeeming for me, cause as far as story goes..ehh.

But Niki is back, YEAH!

i thought the facials peter was making where he was gettin off on chocking will was a complete crack up lol

QFT. At the moment, that is about all they do. I really hope they meet up with the other heroes soon or its gonna get really tedious.

My biggest complaints with the episode were near the end. I practically screamed when Peter didn't open the box. I'm sure there's some hugely significant object/thing inside it and It's gonna be revealed like 8 episodes later. *sigh* However his new Irish girlfriend is nice! Irish Pride!

But the worst was the whole West & Claire thing. Don't get me wrong! I don't mean their relationship! I totally believe Claire should have a boyfriend and unlike some others here, I think West is pretty cool. My beef is with Claire's apparent reaction to West revealing he got tagged by her Dad. Yeah he was a jacka$$ in his past but he's a better guy now! You both made up in Season 1, don't start it all over again please! /end rant

I can only hope later episodes will be better.