beccaboo
Oct 15 2007, 05:53 PM
So does anyone know what the deal is with the cockroaches? I remember seeing one when Sylar was stabbed during the season finale. And now there is the cockroach where Dereck is dead. Is it Sylar's new calling card or what?
LordFireFly
Oct 15 2007, 06:04 PM
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 15 2007, 09:53 PM)

So does anyone know what the deal is with the cockroaches? I remember seeing one when Sylar was stabbed during the season finale. And now there is the cockroach where Dereck is dead. Is it Sylar's new calling card or what?
There has been several scenes with Sylar and roaches. There was also one with Matt while he was being held at Primatech. You're guess is as good as mine.
dpro
Oct 15 2007, 06:05 PM
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 15 2007, 09:53 PM)

So does anyone know what the deal is with the cockroaches? I remember seeing one when Sylar was stabbed during the season finale. And now there is the cockroach where Dereck is dead. Is it Sylar's new calling card or what?
I think it's Candice. Maybe Sylar only killed an illusion.
MamaSuperior
Oct 15 2007, 06:05 PM
The roach was in the cell when Sylar was held captive by Primatech/HRG as well as hanging around the manhole cover when we see Sylar's blood trail. Now on the brick. Either has something to do with his can't-kill-me nature, or is a little visual calling card.
Whatever it is, it's gross. blech!
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 15 2007, 05:53 PM)

So does anyone know what the deal is with the cockroaches? I remember seeing one when Sylar was stabbed during the season finale. And now there is the cockroach where Dereck is dead. Is it Sylar's new calling card or what?
shook on3
Oct 15 2007, 06:06 PM
I was about to post the same thing, whats the deal with them? I remember it was posted earlier in season 1 but its been so long? Can anyone refresh me and there importance? If I remember correctly I think the symbolism with them was they might as well be gods creature since they can survive radiation and live without there heads or something like that..I dont know though
beccaboo
Oct 15 2007, 06:08 PM
QUOTE (shook on3 @ Oct 15 2007, 06:06 PM)

I was about to post the same thing, whats the deal with them? I remember it was posted earlier in season 1 but its been so long? Can anyone refresh me and there importance? If I remember correctly I think the symbolism with them was they might as well be gods creature since they can survive radiation and live without there heads or something like that..I dont know though
Yeah, I remember someone posting something to that effect.
Aia
Oct 15 2007, 06:09 PM
Roaches have been here since who knows when. I think they symbolize something that can't be killed. Roaches CAN survive days with their heads cut off. The roaches in the cell where they kept Sylar probably meant he was going to get out of there. The roaches on the manhole cover meant that Sylar wasn't dead, and maybe the one on the brick meant that Sylar was there or something.
Roaches=Sylar related.
Anakoreta
Oct 15 2007, 06:10 PM
I have no idea, all I know is that way to many instances are occurring for this to be by chance.
Though screaming "COCKROACH!" at the television was rather entertaining.
Vanessa
Oct 15 2007, 06:14 PM
I think it's supposed to be like a visual metaphor.
In the pilot they had Mohinder saying something about how roaches have perfected evolution because they can survive like, everything (or something like that? I think they cut that speech out shorter in the official pilot episode that aired, though? My memory's a bit rusty lol ).
314
Oct 15 2007, 06:16 PM
I think the bug is used for symbolism..much like the helix course that has a much deeper meaning in the show that goes far beyond simple symbolism.
praline
Oct 15 2007, 06:18 PM
I thought symbolism the 1st season but its happening way too often and all that good stuff.
I think there is a real point to the roach... not a clue as to what but there is more to it haha
I too yelled ROACH at my TV hahaha my hubby (who doesn't watch heroes but i love him anyway) ran into the living room saying, "where? where?"
HeroHunter
Oct 15 2007, 06:19 PM
I could see it maybe being someone watching Sylar's progress.
LordFireFly
Oct 15 2007, 06:22 PM
QUOTE (Vanessa @ Oct 15 2007, 10:14 PM)

I think it's supposed to be like a visual metaphor.
In the pilot they had Mohinder saying something about how roaches have perfected evolution because they can survive like, everything (or something like that? I think they cut that speech out shorter in the official pilot episode that aired, though? My memory's a bit rusty lol ).
The roach can survive a long time without food or it's head. They can also survive radiation. However why isn't anyone bringing Matt into the topic with the roaches as seen in season 1. Now we know that Matt's father is the one who is worst then Sylar(maybe). Can Sylar and Matt have more in common then we know?
DarkRaven
Oct 15 2007, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (dpro @ Oct 15 2007, 06:05 PM)

I think it's Candice. Maybe Sylar only killed an illusion.
I think it might be Candace too, there was a cockroach after he was stabbed too and remember that Candace had told Sylar that she was the one that pulled him from Kirby Plaza. So maybe Candace is following him around making herself look like a cockroach...or I could just not be getting enough sleep.
themightytruk
Oct 15 2007, 06:28 PM
Oh dear. It's just a cockroach. It's just symbolism associated with Sylar. Don't read too much into this.
Renrut
Oct 15 2007, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (DarkRaven @ Oct 15 2007, 09:24 PM)

I think it might be Candace too, there was a cockroach after he was stabbed too and remember that Candace had told Sylar that she was the one that pulled him from Kirby Plaza. So maybe Candace is following him around making herself look like a cockroach...or I could just not be getting enough sleep.

I too think there could be something to this theory. I thought the first person was joking but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. It would be cool but I doubt there is any way it will be Candace.
nickpowers101
Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (314 @ Oct 15 2007, 10:16 PM)

I think the bug is used for symbolism..much like the helix course that has a much deeper meaning in the show that goes far beyond simple symbolism.
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing... Sylar's a bit of a roach... He's an unwanted pest in society and he's difficult to get rid of - he just keeps on tickin. lol
Troy
Oct 16 2007, 02:01 AM
Cockroaches?, Who did the killing?
Who killed the Rogue stealing car thief, when he went inside to phone the police? All we see is his dead body on the ground and a cockroach crawling around. If Sylar lost his powers, then who was able to do this? Sylar was in the car the whole time talking to the twins in the car?
Any insight?
Ion
Oct 16 2007, 02:44 AM
Sylar did the killing. We see him pick up the brick, that you saw the cockroach crawling on, and then follow Dereck to the pay phone of which he just directed him to. Sylar killed Dereck the same way he incapacitated Michelle/Candice. With a quick smack to the head with a heavy blunt object.
I would like to know why the cockroach was there though?
Troy
Oct 16 2007, 03:24 AM
QUOTE (Ion @ Oct 16 2007, 06:44 AM)

Sylar did the killing. We see him pick up the brick, that you saw the cockroach crawling on, and then follow Dereck to the pay phone of which he just directed him to. Sylar killed Dereck the same way he incapacitated Michelle/Candice. With a quick smack to the head with a heavy blunt object.
I would like to know why the cockroach was there though?
Wow, I must've totally missed that part . . . need to re-watch . . . I didn't even realize that the cockroach was on a brick . . . thanks for the explanation.
blackpryzm89
Oct 16 2007, 06:34 AM
When they showed the guy's dead body,a bug was crawling next to him. Remember how he got his powers recharged in the season finale? I found it a strange coincidence,you know?
Rocky Dragon
Oct 16 2007, 06:46 AM
QUOTE (blackpryzm89 @ Oct 16 2007, 10:34 AM)

When they showed the guy's dead body,a bug was crawling next to him. Remember how he got his powers recharged in the season finale? I found it a strange coincidence,you know?
Where's the Orkin man when you need him? Sylar just attracts roaches
unitedheros
Oct 16 2007, 07:04 AM
isnt the roach to do with that dude Kane?
Roaches are gonna play apart in the series, opening few lines of the entire series was about roaches, and roaches keep on poppin up in the show!
blackpryzm89
Oct 16 2007, 07:11 AM
QUOTE (Rocky Dragon @ Oct 16 2007, 02:46 PM)

Where's the Orkin man when you need him? Sylar just attracts roaches
Take a bath,Sylar.
ImSoGreat
Oct 16 2007, 08:13 AM
QUOTE (unitedheros @ Oct 16 2007, 11:04 AM)

isnt the roach to do with that dude Kane?
Roaches are gonna play apart in the series, opening few lines of the entire series was about roaches, and roaches keep on poppin up in the show!
Wow you must be right. I think Roach Man is going to end up being the secret leader of the company. Stupid me, I thought this whole time it was just symbolism.
blackpryzm89
Oct 16 2007, 08:19 AM
QUOTE (ImSoGreat @ Oct 16 2007, 04:13 PM)

Wow you must be right. I think Roach Man is going to end up being the secret leader of the company. Stupid me, I thought this whole time it was just symbolism.
Hmmm..that opens up an interesting possibility.
Qwijibo
Oct 16 2007, 09:38 AM
I reckon the cockroaches are a sign of how Sylar's power is progressing. While he was in the cell he worked out how to force himself to a near-death state and wake up from it. This time I think it's a sign of how his powers are starting to re-emerge.
Can anyone think of other times cockroaches have been around and Sylar's powers have manifested?
Qwijibo
isitmondayyet?
Oct 16 2007, 09:43 AM
QUOTE (Qwijibo @ Oct 16 2007, 09:38 AM)

Can anyone think of other times cockroaches have been around and Sylar's powers have manifested?
http://heroeswiki.com/Roachroaches were originally one of the running symbols of the show, and appeared on the show long before Sylar himself did. their being associated with Sylar (if they indeed are) is a later development
Animation
Oct 16 2007, 10:46 AM
QUOTE (HeroHunter @ Oct 15 2007, 09:19 PM)

I could see it maybe being someone watching Sylar's progress.
I agree. I think someone, maybe one of the 12 and maybe not, is manipulating or watching Mutants. Also, even though they tried to not dwell on it TOO long, when Kensai (Kensei?) was back in the past with Hiro and he was drunk, insects were buzzing around him. It wasnt comedic as in 'look at the drunk and the fly buzzing around him' it was more 'bizzare' as in 'Why are these insects swarming close to me'. I think they tried to focus on it only briefly so as to not give it away. But you dont put something in a scene for no reason. Kensai was actually confused by it to the point that he mentioned it ... then Hiro walks up and the scene becomes something else.
So I think there are other things with this bug stuff going on, and maybe "Bug Man" has been around for 1000 years or so, watching Kensai, watching the 12, watching everyone, and maybe masterminding some kind of evil.

Lewis
hani12
Oct 16 2007, 11:04 AM
The roach was put there so the viewers would know Derek was killed by Sylar in case they hadn't already figured that out.
It's pretty simple, although I like everyone's ideas, especially those holding on to Candace and wanting her to still be alive
schreier
Oct 16 2007, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (hani12 @ Oct 16 2007, 03:04 PM)

The roach was put there so the viewers would know Derek was killed by Sylar in case they hadn't already figured that out.
It's pretty simple, although I like everyone's ideas, especially those holding on to Candace and wanting her to still be alive

Is it possible that there is another power at work? Someone that maybe controls bugs (including cockroaches)?
I find it hard to believe that it is purely symbolic
baltar
Oct 16 2007, 11:23 AM
For some reason I thought this was either showing Sylar on his road to getting his powers back, he's getting stronger
OR
That whomever it is that controls the bugs is keeping an eye on Sylar
both could be wrong but that's my .02$
kitty
Oct 16 2007, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (blackpryzm89 @ Oct 16 2007, 04:34 AM)

When they showed the guy's dead body,a bug was crawling next to him. Remember how he got his powers recharged in the season finale? I found it a strange coincidence,you know?
the cockroach is a big significance. It just hurts my head when I think about it...
hani12
Oct 16 2007, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (schreier @ Oct 16 2007, 02:06 PM)

Is it possible that there is another power at work? Someone that maybe controls bugs (including cockroaches)?
I find it hard to believe that it is purely symbolic
If the writers
are going somewhere with this roaches, then it is intended to be a surprise and take the viewers off-notice when it is revealed. For now, it's nothing more than a symbolism of Sylar/evolution.
As a viewer who loves Alias-like twists and surprises, I don't advise speculating and looking too much into it, just give the writers the oppurtunity to pull the rug under our feet if that is their intention
Ingtar
Oct 16 2007, 11:39 AM
I know this is a bit of speculation, but I would not be surprised if Alejandro did not cure whatever was hindering Sylar's powers when he "cured" him.
Since the roach has always symbolized survival on the show, it fit there. Sylar was doing what it took to survive and to further his goal to be special. It could also be a marker that this act put him on the road to recovery. We'll have to wait and see.
kitty
Oct 16 2007, 11:43 AM
So ingtar, you think that Alejandro cured Sylar and now Sylar can use his own powers again?
SabZero
Oct 16 2007, 11:43 AM
QUOTE (Ingtar @ Oct 16 2007, 08:39 PM)

Since the roach has always symbolized survival on the show, it fit there. Sylar was doing what it took to survive and to further his goal to be special. It could also be a marker that this act put him on the road to recovery. We'll have to wait and see.
I think it's a symbol for evolution, survival of the fittest. The roach was there saying "another one bites the dust"
Citizen
Oct 16 2007, 01:17 PM
Once again I didn't notice the roach (first time Parasite).
Absent
Oct 16 2007, 01:35 PM
Its not just strictly related to Sylar, there was a cockroach when Matt was in the cell at the "Paper Factory", why do some people selectively ignore this? :/
Absent
Oct 16 2007, 01:52 PM
Again the Roach isn't specifically related to Sylar, one appeared in Matt's cell in the Paper Factory.
isitmondayyet?
Oct 16 2007, 03:10 PM
threads merged (that's why it looks like some double-posting)
GOPEANUTZ
Oct 16 2007, 03:50 PM
I'd say this cockroach is spying.. (LOL) i dont see the connection with sylar > < cockroach.. and has Kane/Kensei got anything to do with it?
Jahandar
Oct 16 2007, 08:06 PM
Yeah, its just a metaphor. The modern cockroach is extremely formidible and can survive despite harsh conditions. It is the "Hero" among other bugs, lol.
I doubt cockroaches have a significant role in the actual plot.
beccaboo
Oct 16 2007, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (Jahandar @ Oct 16 2007, 08:06 PM)

Yeah, its just a metaphor. The modern cockroach is extremely formidible and can survive despite harsh conditions. It is the "Hero" among other bugs, lol.
I doubt cockroaches have a significant role in the actual plot.
Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question of why the roach appears whenever Sylar is around. Like in his cell the first time The Company had him, when he was dragged into the sewer,and then when we see Dereck's dead body. The writers obviously want a message put across. I guess maybe we haven't gotten the full message yet.
fARSIGHT
Oct 19 2007, 04:39 PM
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 17 2007, 01:32 AM)

Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question of why the roach appears whenever Sylar is around. Like in his cell the first time The Company had him, when he was dragged into the sewer,and then when we see Dereck's dead body. The writers obviously want a message put across. I guess maybe we haven't gotten the full message yet.
Same reason why the helix spontaneously appears on everything that a special has been around with... from shattered glass in the Bennetts' living room to the noodles in the pool in the Walkers' backyard... Methinks...
Tularis
Oct 21 2007, 06:47 AM
I think its both a metaphor and something involving the plot. The cockroaches aren't related to Sylar, but I think someone is controlling and watching through them, someone who works for the Company. Which is why they are always seen around Sylar, becacuse he is of specific interest to them, and they obviously don't want him dead (or even really seem to mind him roaming free.) The same goes with Parkman, etc etc. Considering the types of powers that exist in the show, I dont think being able to control insects is that stupid. Or animals in general really.
kitty
Oct 22 2007, 10:12 AM
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 15 2007, 03:53 PM)

So does anyone know what the deal is with the cockroaches? I remember seeing one when Sylar was stabbed during the season finale. And now there is the cockroach where Dereck is dead. Is it Sylar's new calling card or what?
once upon a time there was
a spoiler that said there was to be this man named Kane who was a cockroach man
It ended up being a red herring if I'm not mistaken, and now I'm done thinking about sylar and his stupid cockroaches after being dragged along by that one.
PsychGen
Apr 27 2008, 07:30 PM
QUOTE (beccaboo @ Oct 17 2007, 12:32 AM)

Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question of why the roach appears whenever Sylar is around. Like in his cell the first time The Company had him, when he was dragged into the sewer,and then when we see Dereck's dead body. The writers obviously want a message put across. I guess maybe we haven't gotten the full message yet.
The roach goes back to before there was even a show. I refrence the very first draft of season ones script:
Season 1 Heroes script. PDF format.And one of
6 illustrations accompanying that script.
Syslay mimicd the roach, his organs were not where Hiro expected them to be, hence, Hiro did not kill him.
Sheindie
Apr 27 2008, 08:24 PM
QUOTE (Jahandar @ Oct 17 2007, 12:06 AM)

Yeah, its just a metaphor. The modern cockroach is extremely formidible and can survive despite harsh conditions. It is the "Hero" among other bugs, lol.
I doubt cockroaches have a significant role in the actual plot.
I agree ... I also believe that that's what Tim K. alluded to in a previous interview ...
prander
Apr 27 2008, 08:24 PM
Unless I missed them, I don't think these were posted...
QUOTE
Kyle has a question about the creepy-crawly things that occasionally show up in "Heroes." "There were a lot of rumors that the cockroaches were related to an as yet-unseen new villain. Could this still play out, or are they really more symbolic representations of evolutionary survival?"Sometimes symbolic representations of evolutionary survival is just symbolic representations of evolutionary survival. Although, you'll have to remind us one day to tell you the original pitch for the character of Nathan….
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11811 QUOTE
Wire-Framed Glasses (nice name, dude!) wants to know about cockroaches. "Twice now we've seen cockroaches in relation to Sylar 'dying' (first while held captive by Primatech Paper, and now after he's apparently crawled into the sewers). Is this possibly a link to one of Sylar's 'unseen' abilities (since he presumably has six from the people he killed prior to the 'start' of the show that we haven't seen), or is it just a bit of fun little symbolism to show that Sylar's like a human cockroach - he's darn near impossible to completely get rid of?" We also touched on this question with Tim in last week's interview- anything to ad?Yes. Sylar did not turn into a cockroach.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10338
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