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VentiDeMilo
Poor Al, obviously, Sylar's going to kill him and replace him as Maya's care taker.

Maya needs Al to control her whatever-her-crazy-voodoo-dark-ink-eyes-thingy. Al absorbs her thingy.

So, Sylar will kill Al, take his power and will control Maya. Maya will not know that he kills her brother, thinks Sylar's the only one in the world she can lean on, falls in love with him...blah..blah...blah...and gradually, Sylar falls for her as well...and then, boom, Maya discovers the man she loves killed her brother...blah..blah...blah...the end of season 2.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (VentiDeMilo @ Oct 15 2007, 11:48 PM) *
Poor Al, obviously, Sylar's going to kill him and replace him as Maya's care taker.

Maya needs Al to control her whatever-her-crazy-voodoo-dark-ink-eyes-thingy. Al absorbs her thingy.

So, Sylar will kill Al, take his power and will control Maya. Maya will not know that he kills her brother, thinks Sylar's the only one in the world she can lean on, falls in love with him...blah..blah...blah...and gradually, Sylar falls for her as well...and then, boom, Maya discovers the man she loves killed her brother...blah..blah...blah...the end of season 2.

That sounds pretty interesting, actually.
Leek
Now way.

It can't be!

Al is the only one who isn't willing to just flat out trust this guy who was passed out in the middle of the road. He isn't going to like Sylar coming in between his relationship with his sister. I have a feeling he is going to keep a pretty close eye on Sylar, and not let Maya out of his site either. Sylar has no powers, he'd have to catch Ally by surprise in order to kill him, and I can't see Al letting that happen.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 15 2007, 11:51 PM) *
Sylar has no powers, he'd have to catch Ally by surprise in order to kill him, and I can't see Al letting that happen.

You'd be surprised.

My money's on Al taking one for the team so Sylar can get his freak on.
59b
Sylar won't kill Alejandro before he can take his powers. With Alejandro dead Maya will start crying and Sylar will be a goner in minutes. Sylar isn't that stupid.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (59b @ Oct 15 2007, 11:55 PM) *
Sylar won't kill Alejandro before he can take his powers. With Alejandro dead Maya will start crying and Sylar will be a goner in minutes. Sylar isn't that stupid.

Like that would honestly be a problem if Sylar absorbed Al's power?

If Sylar's impotence is based on his injuries and not the virus, the theory makes fine sense.
HeroHunter
QUOTE (59b @ Oct 15 2007, 07:55 PM) *
Sylar won't kill Alejandro before he can take his powers. With Alejandro dead Maya will start crying and Sylar will be a goner in minutes. Sylar isn't that stupid.


I think he would probably find a way to kill him without Maya knowing though. Sylar's huge advantage is that Alejandro doesn't know what hes saying unless Maya repeats it to him in english. He'll probably use that to his advantage involving them both and manipulate the situation.
Leek
QUOTE (Dr. Chaos @ Oct 15 2007, 11:59 PM) *
Like that would honestly be a problem if Sylar absorbed Al's power?

If Sylar's impotence is based on his injuries and not the virus, the theory makes fine sense.



I'd put money on it being the Shanti virus, for the conflicts you have just pointed it out. It would be way to easy, and way to predictable. Everyone is waiting for Sylar to kill one or both of the twins in the very near future. He's killed two people in the two episodes he's been in. I think...for once...dare I say it? Sylar might just chill out for a bit.
prander
Why would he kill either of them and try to take their powers if he can't use them? Remember, he can't use Candice's...

As 59b said, he'd be a goner without Alejandro.
Ingtar
I suspect we will find that Alejandro cured the virus out of Sylar tonight and that his powers will be back. But I do suspect that Sylar will try to take Al's place, as they clearly intended us to. laugh.gif
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 16 2007, 12:03 AM) *
I'd put money on it being the Shanti virus, for the conflicts you have just pointed it out. It would be way to easy, and way to predictable. Everyone is waiting for Sylar to kill one or both of the twins in the very near future. He's killed two people in the two episodes he's been in. I think...for once...dare I say it? Sylar might just chill out for a bit.

Yeah, about that, I don't think so.

Remember the line from a slightly attacked looking (possibly from Al defendng himself) Sylar in the first episode, during Mohinder's narration?

"She's a brand new toy and she's all mine"

I don't think he was talking about Claire or Molly.

Only one Hero comes to mind, he can use Maya, he just needs to find the right circumstances.
59b
QUOTE (Ingtar @ Oct 16 2007, 12:05 AM) *
I suspect we will find that Alejandro cured the virus out of Sylar tonight and that his powers will be back. But I do suspect that Sylar will try to take Al's place, as they clearly intended us to. laugh.gif


So far we've only been shown that Alejandro's power negates Maya's and nothing else. He hasn't been shown to be a healer like Linderman for example. Of course, there is still we don't know about him yet.
Leek
Fudge sticks Doctor Chaos...your spoiler tags are spooking me off!
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 16 2007, 12:10 AM) *
Fudge sticks Doctor Chaos...your spoiler tags are spooking me off!

I don't read spoilers.

It concerns preview scenes that aired during Mohinder's narration in the first episode, thats touchy for some people so I tagged it even though it was thrust out there at the beginning of the episode.
rfd
yeah, Alejandro will die at some point i guess otherwise both brother and sister would be main cast members instead of just Maya.
Dr. Chaos
Look at the possible dynamic this way.

Sylar with Alejandro's power and Maya would be like the ultimate abusive Heroes relationship, even if Maya wanted to, she couldn't leave Sylar's side. She would become completely dependant on him, and for good reason.

Even if she found out "Gabriel's" true nature which she probably wouldn't anytime soon, it would add an interesting bit of drama, forced to be his accomplice or run away and let every person that crosses you eventually suffer. Hell, Maya's probably already killed more people than Sylar has.
VentiDeMilo
Poor Al, I actually like him better than Maya sad.gif
URAINAH
I don't think Maya's "virus" is the same as the "Shanti" virus. Besides, she hasn't been in contact with the Heroes that we've seen that had the virus, the Haitian, and a guy in one of the GNs. And of course, Shanti. Maya may have just been born. And lived across the world. It's funny...this thread mentions Sylar's "impotence" and getting his "freak on". tongue.gif Maybe that's why he really needs Maya. And he can relate to her being a "murderer". He hasn't had a girlfriend that we've seen, and he unfortunately killed Candice off too soon. I guess he just really misses Mohinder wink.gif
Dr. Chaos
My reasoning is this:

Sylar can't keep killing every attractive woman he sees.

The universe will simply just collapse into itself like a neutron star if he kills someone as gorgeous as Maya without even thinking about it.
Leek
Lol. Sylar wants to settle down.

Oh lawd, talk about kids having messed up relationships with their fathers on this show...could you imagine if they had KIDS? ohmy.gif
Dr. Chaos
On the other hand, Sylar could just be extremely gay for Mohinder, as we've known all along.

It would explain alot.
empath2380
When Sylar gets his powers back he will definitely kill Alejandro. Maya will be upset, but as we saw in last weeks episode she doesn't care if she uses her powers against people if her brother just takes it back. Sylar would understand that and she may like him anyway. She may be a bad guy like him.
HeroHunter
QUOTE (empath2380 @ Oct 15 2007, 08:57 PM) *
When Sylar gets his powers back he will definitely kill Alejandro. Maya will be upset, but as we saw in last weeks episode she doesn't care if she uses her powers against people if her brother just takes it back. Sylar would understand that and she may like him anyway. She may be a bad guy like him.


I do think she had the potential to be an actual killer. Especially if she had a mental nudge from Sylar which opened her up to it.
Kenobi
Sylar + Maya = new spike and drusilla?

This could be rather... neat.

Their story got a lot more interesting
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (empath2380 @ Oct 16 2007, 12:57 AM) *
Maya will be upset, but as we saw in last weeks episode she doesn't care if she uses her powers against people if her brother just takes it back.

Thats a HUGE stretch.

Maya only used her powers in anger to free her brother, not to kill them which she didn't, she knew they would be fine once Alejandro used his side of the Wonder Twins ability. She had to do it but I can guarantee you she didn't like it.

Theres nonthing about her powers that she wants right now.

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She may be a bad guy like him.

Right now, she's a good hearted woman, desperately searching for a way to atonement but Maya is fragile.

She should have a breaking point coming up sometime in the future I would imagine, If Alejandro isn't there to save her from the abyss, Sylar, if he doesn't decide to kill her (immediately atleast) will probably make a pretty tempting offer once she realizes her god has forsaken her to live with her power forever.

As we know, there is no cure and I look forward to what Maya's reaction is to that.
CodyGray
I think it would be cool if Maya became bad, but i don't think she does.
and is it just me or does anyone else really think Sylar is gay? lol!
Yeah, to most people it's a joke, but what can I say?
Dr. Chaos
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I think it would be cool if Maya became bad, but i don't think she does.

Yeah, it's not in her nature but seeing her being seduced to the dark side, to put it in layman geek terms, would be fun.

I wouldn't expect to see her completely turn out like Sylar by the end of the season.

That takes a very different brand of madness.
theJollity
QUOTE (VentiDeMilo @ Oct 15 2007, 08:48 PM) *
So, Sylar will kill Al, take his power and will control Maya. Maya will not know that he kills her brother, thinks Sylar's the only one in the world she can lean on, falls in love with him...blah..blah...blah...and gradually, Sylar falls for her as well...and then, boom, Maya discovers the man she loves killed her brother...blah..blah...blah...the end of season 2.


oh please, it's a complete rip of the Syhindlar storyline.
Mohinder will not know that he killed his father, thinks Sylar's the only one in the world that believes him, falls in love with him...blah..blah...blah...and gradually, Sylar falls for him as well...and then, boom, Mohinder discovers the man he loves killed his father.

I jest wink.gif

I think that if Sylar gets fishy enough, Alejandro just won't stop Maya from crying.
Can you just imagine that? Maya begging for Al to stop her, to stop Sylar from dying, but he knows that he's bad and doesn't take her hands... THE BREAKUP OF THE WONDER TWINS!

Oh no, that road leads to their eventual downfall too!
I really like the twins XD
Dr. Chaos
I'd like to think Alejandro isn't that big of an ******, to be honest with you.

God knows if I was her I would have a hard time trusting him after that. Nonthing says betrayl like your brother using you as a murder weapon.

If Al was any kind of a real man, he would bludgeon Sylar to death with a small heavy object and then lie to Maya about him taking too long of a pee break and speed off in the rogue.

Yes sir.
IvyB
QUOTE (Dr. Chaos @ Oct 16 2007, 12:55 AM) *
I'd like to think Alejandro isn't that big of an ******, to be honest with you.

God knows if I was her I would have a hard time trusting him after that. Nonthing says betrayl like your brother using you as a murder weapon.

If Al was any kind of a real man, he would bludgeon Sylar to death with a small heavy object and then lie to Maya about him taking too long of a pee break and speed off in the rogue.

Yes sir.


LOL!

I'm really worried about Alejandro's fate- he's not in the credits and if Sylar can somehow get his powers, he can control Maya. Too bad, I'm really liking the guy (yeah well I liked Isaac the first half of season 1) at least so far.

Can this end well for Maya? Right now she's ok, but let's say Alejandro is killed and Sylar uses her. Nobody is safe around her and there is no 'cure'. Mohinder couldn't help Peter (probably) from not exploding, so I doubt he could help Maya. Her powers seem to work on everyone- regular people and heroes (Sylar has powers) so no one is safe around her. The only way the world would be safe is if she's dead (and not debrained). Season finale thought.
Quinten
QUOTE (IvyB @ Oct 16 2007, 12:32 PM) *
The only way the world would be safe is if she's dead (and not debrained). Season finale thought.



I believe the GN hinted that Maya's power may actually be a benefit, it said something about how even the deadliest cancer cells may hold the key to immortality on the cellular level. What if Maya's power kills EVERYTHING in the body and then Alejandro revives the person. Think of it like high level radiation therepay on cancer patients, the basic principal is to give the person just enough radiation to kill the diseased cells but not quite enough to kill the person. Maya's power might be similiar, it might flush the persons body with poison, killing any disease that is present, and then Alejandro takes the poison away and the person is now healthier than to start with.

So with that in mind..and this is a strech...lets say Sylar did have the Shanti virus and thats why he couldn't use his powers. (I know you say he could still use his original power, but could he really? He tried and it didn't work) So maybe Maya and Alejandro have cured Sylar now and he just might find his powers are back! It may not be probable, but it is possible!
Dr. Chaos
On a sidenote, I thought Sylar's physical reaction to Maya's power was interesting.

He seemed to be putting up quite a resistance to it in the car, just another sign of his amazing mental strength?

Not saying it couldn't have killed him, I'm sure it could have but he seemed to fare better than Maya's other victims who seemed to fall to pieces immediately.
LOSTie
QUOTE (URAINAH @ Oct 15 2007, 09:27 PM) *
He hasn't had a girlfriend that we've seen, and he unfortunately killed Candice off too soon. I guess he just really misses Mohinder wink.gif


lol


THANK YOU! xDD *hugs*
activatingevo1
There is an even scarier scenario: What if a person having both powers (Al and Maya) does not work. What i mean, if Sylar kill both maya and alejandro and all of the sudden he cant control maya's power because in order to do that you need another person that do it for you, (you cant have both powers)... then everyone is screwed...

worst, what if a person like Peter, who can absorve powers and have a real hard time controlling them, get in contact with maya and not alejandro...or absorve both and the negating part of the power doesnt work for the reasons i stated above... then everyone is screwed... especially since peter have a tough time controlling new powers and is so emo and stuff LOL.. thats gonna suck for any city Peter is...Dayum!
prander
QUOTE (Dr. Chaos @ Oct 16 2007, 08:11 PM) *
On a sidenote, I thought Sylar's physical reaction to Maya's power was interesting.

He seemed to be putting up quite a resistance to it in the car, just another sign of his amazing mental strength?

Not saying it couldn't have killed him, I'm sure it could have but he seemed to fare better than Maya's other victims who seemed to fall to pieces immediately.
I think that's due to the fact that Alejandro was right there to reverse it so quickly. When in the jail, for example, it took them a little bit to get to each other and for him to reverse it. There was enough time for her to "bleed" from her eyes in the jail, but Alejandro reversed it before she had a chance to do so in the car. She cried a real tear, not the "blood" because he reversed it before she could, unlike all the other times.
prander
QUOTE (activatingevo1 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:33 PM) *
There is an even scarier scenario: What if a person having both powers (Al and Maya) does not work. What i mean, if Sylar kill both maya and alejandro and all of the sudden he cant control maya's power because in order to do that you need another person that do it for you, (you cant have both powers)... then everyone is screwed...

worst, what if a person like Peter, who can absorve powers and have a real hard time controlling them, get in contact with maya and not alejandro...or absorve both and the negating part of the power doesnt work for the reasons i stated above... then everyone is screwed... especially since peter have a tough time controlling new powers and is so emo and stuff LOL.. thats gonna suck for any city Peter is...Dayum!
I think they just have two ends of the same power, the one power was split between them and if someone absorbed both, then that person would have the power as is the "norm" with all the powers (on / off)...
QUOTE
OK, let's get serious again. Peter Dawson wants to know more about our Latin twins. "Well Maya is certainly a freaky one! Should we be viewing Maya and Alejandro as having each gotten half of a power due to being twins or did they just somehow luck out by being born with powers to balance each other out? And can you give us some idea of what their power actually is?"

The twin theory seems to fit the bill.

And we can certainly give you some idea as to what their power is. Lets, see. The easiest way is to step it out. How bout we do it in weekly installments. What are you doing, I dunno, Mondays at 9?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12055
Rebel
It has been theorized elsewhere that if Sylar does manage to revive and take powers again that he kills Alejandro. But this is precipated by Aljeandro in that he sees Sylar has a more than friendly interest in his sister and is jealous. Remember: "She's a shiny new toy and she's all mine." It's thought that's said to Alejandro. Using Candice's powers he takes Alejandro's form and tells Maya he has killed Sylar because he found out he was murderer. This then allows Sylar to travel unimpeeded to New York with Maya. Meanwhile, Zach goes off and films Trek and not break the Sylar continuity. So when Zach comes back he takes the Gabriel Grey form in New York--and SUPRISE, Mohinder!

Whady'a think?
CrewWolf
Well it's pretty obvious what Sylar will do the second he gets his power back. Sylar's always been pretty predictable in that regard. I was hoping this would be more of a discussion of what Sylar might do if he doesn't and what he's planning for if that's the case. But I guess that would be unthinkable. The writers would want him to get his powers back asap to add some scary Sylar drama again. Ah, well.
Rebel
QUOTE (CrewWolf @ Oct 17 2007, 06:00 PM) *
Well it's pretty obvious what Sylar will do the second he gets his power back. Sylar's always been pretty predictable in that regard. I was hoping this would be more of a discussion of what Sylar might do if he doesn't and what he's planning for if that's the case. But I guess that would be unthinkable. The writers would want him to get his powers back asap to add some scary Sylar drama again. Ah, well.



How and why he kills is what makes it interesting.

Finding himself without powers, we saw in "Kindness of Strangers" a good deal of regret and sadness expressed by Sylar returning to his Gabriel Grey persona. For a few moments he was repentent. He was just glad to be alive and headed home. But, now that he's certain that Maya and Al have powers we see that he wants to stay with them and he's literally in the driver's seat (I heard a dinner bell ringing as they drove off--kidding).

He has a lot to think about though. Was Candice lying or telling the truth about his powers reviving once he's physically healed? He doesn't know. But he knows what he wants and so do we. From what I've read in ZQ's interviews about Sylar ,he will continue to pursue getting powers and POWER any way he can. Without his powers in a way, he may be more dangerous and blood thirsty. Obssessive and killing indiscriminately hoping every kill will revive his powers. Or if he can't have powers himself, maybe he hopes to control through deceit and manipulation those that do. Rember that Charles Manson did no killing himself. He told others to and they did. But one fact of which I'm certain, he'll never simply be Gabriel Grey watchmaker again, except as a ruse--no matter how much he would like to be.
LOSTie
QUOTE (Rebel @ Oct 17 2007, 05:48 PM) *
--and SUPRISE, Mohinder!

Whady'a think?


I just read that and thought Mylar! =3
the9thwonderisme
I dont think so sylar is weak right now I think maya and her brother are going to get away from him in the nick of time he's going to loose them in new york or they are going to run away from them..i got a felling maya and her brother are going to be around for awhile sylar is lost right now since his powers were never his he doesnt get them right back like the others.
prander
Well, Maya is listed as a main character and Alejandro is listed as only a recurring character. That would suggest that he won't be on the show long, at least not near as long as Maya.
luft99
Yep, Alejandro is pretty much a goner... it's just a matter of how long it is until Sylar gets his powers back. But I don't think it's possible for Sylar to take both powers... it seems to be the nature of this ability that it requires two people to control. If he took both, he'd probably overload or something. So, after killing Alejandro, Sylar and Maya will be kind of forced together. (Remember, Sylar doesn't like the idea of killing "insignificant" people, or at least he didn't last year, so it seems like he'd be reluctant to just set Maya loose.)

I really just want an awkward scene where Sylar/Maya show up at Matt/Mohinder's apartment.
Rebel
QUOTE (prander @ Oct 17 2007, 07:57 PM) *
Well, Maya is listed as a main character and Alejandro is listed as only a recurring character. That would suggest that he won't be on the show long, at least not near as long as Maya.


This is one series that you can't be sure who's going to live or die depending on an actor's billing. Remember Simone?
PandorasCurse
lol. As cool as it would be to have a Sylar love story, I doubt that our sociopathic friend really has the heart. He kinda proved that with Candace. He only has a lust for power. No doubt that he can definately pretend though. Sociopaths are generally excellent at that.

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I really just want an awkward scene where Sylar/Maya show up at Matt/Mohinder's apartment.


lol! I can imagine the scene...

Sylar looks at Mohinder then Matt then Mohinder then Matt then Mohinder then Matt...
"I thought...you traitorous...I'm going to kill you!"
Mohinder: (randomly and a bit cliched) "you killed my father!"
Mohinder.gif SylarSmiley.gif LOL
prander
QUOTE (Rebel @ Oct 17 2007, 11:18 PM) *
This is one series that you can't be sure who's going to live or die depending on an actor's billing. Remember Simone?
I generally agree, but these specific characters being listed differently is suggestive, IMO.
luft99
QUOTE (PandorasCurse @ Oct 17 2007, 08:25 PM) *
lol. As cool as it would be to have a Sylar love story, I doubt that our sociopathic friend really has the heart. He kinda proved that with Candace. He only has a lust for power. No doubt that he can definately pretend though. Sociopaths are generally excellent at that.


The interesting thing about Alejandro's power is that if Sylar acquired it, he would have to comfort Maya. What if in order for that power to "work", one needed to really be sincere? Purely speculation, but I think it would be very interesting to see how Sylar dealt with an ability like that. I think it would have some interesting side effects. As for love, I don't see Sylar loving Maya, at least not in the traditional sense. Though Maya has a very powerful ability, much more visibly so than Candace's, so Sylar's lust for power could come into play there. Maya certainly seems to be fond of him. (I am just loving the conflict with poor Al there.)
Rebel
QUOTE (luft99 @ Oct 17 2007, 09:39 PM) *
The interesting thing about Alejandro's power is that if Sylar acquired it, he would have to comfort Maya. What if in order for that power to "work", one needed to really be sincere? Purely speculation, but I think it would be very interesting to see how Sylar dealt with an ability like that. I think it would have some interesting side effects. As for love, I don't see Sylar loving Maya, at least not in the traditional sense. Though Maya has a very powerful ability, much more visibly so than Candace's, so Sylar's lust for power could come into play there. Maya certainly seems to be fond of him. (I am just loving the conflict with poor Al there.)


I'm in an agreement.

I think Maya--"a shiny new toy and she's all mine" is a perfect and sincere description of what Sylar's feelings towards Maya we'll be. She'll become something that he'll use--to get other things he wants, also as a defense against other "Heroes" if necessary--and play with (sex), who he considers a possession of his to do with as he pleases. It ain't a romance. It ain't love. And inevitably they'll be a showdown between them.
IHeartSylar
Personally, I cannot wait for the impending scene with Sylar and Al coming to blows. Alejandro doesn't trust Sylar in the least unlike his quite naive sister. I'm thinking that Sylar and Al get into a fight which is why Sylar is so bloody when he says the s.n.t. line (shiny new toy). Then somehow he'd have to get his power since he would pretty much die if it were just the Sylar and Maya together. To reference the whole situation with those two, yes Sylar will use her exactly as he says as a toy. That's all, Sylar is not capable of real love, real compassion. Most sociopaths are not and Gabriel clearly fits the bill.
companyman75
i just thought i would point out that lathough alejandro is a recurring character this season, so was ando in season 1
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