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canary523
Long time reader, first time poster..

My first thought last night when I saw the pic of twelve.. was it was similar to the picture of The Last Supper. I don't know much at all about the picture of The Last Supper, but when I got on the forums today and looked at the screencaps of the pic of twelve and then pulled up a picture of The Last Supper there are A LOT of similarities..

If anyone knows more about the picture of The Last Supper, maybe there is some significance in the placing of the people in the pic of twelve?

I noticed the following:

From left to right the first group of three in the The Last Supper (dark hair person, blond person, bald older man), in the pic of twelve (dark hair woman, blond woman, bald older man(Linderman)).

Next group of three in The Last Supper (dark skinned person, a man looking to the center of the picture, and another person leaning left), in the pic of twelve (Charles Deveaux, Papa Petrelli (looking to the center), Angela Petrelli (kind of leaning left))..

Next group I need help with.. in the pic of twelve there is an angel between Kaito and Angela, Kaito, Bob, man with moustache, in The Last Supper (Jesus, and then the three to the right of him).

Then the last group of three, in The Last Supper (Red haired person, white haired person, bald person), in the pic of twelve (red haired woman, white hair man is seated, bald man (Parkman))..

Also in The Last Supper there are tall windows in the background and tall (black rectangular wall hangings), similar to the skyscrapers in the background of the pic of twelve.

I know this show has religious undertones to it.. and there might be some signficance between these two pictures, so in the vast knowledge of the people in this forum, I was hoping to see if I'm way off base or if anyone else has some thoughts on this?
Troy
Interesting theory, but I don't think it has much significance . . . at least not in my opinion.

I don't really see any similarities to the Last Supper painting at all.
HeedTheMessenger
So Angela Petrelli..

... is Jesus?
YellowJacket
I looked it up, since I couldn't remember who was where in the Da Vinci's painting, and Judas Iscariot is the "dark skinned" man who is the fourth head from the left. Zooming in on the painting shows that in fact he's not dark skinned at all. He is, however, facing away and his face is deliberately obscured...this arranges, with relative neatness, to Mr. Petrelli in the picture of the 12. Is it possible that he is the betrayer?! For what it's worth, Mr. Parkman's counterpart in Da Vinci's painting is Simon, who is being looked to for answers from Matthew and Thaddeus...coincidence? It may prove interesting to find out what Mr. Parkman's first name is. And, of course, the angel is right where Jesus is in the painting.

I think you've hit on an interesting theory and that we may well find out that Mr. Petrelli isn't dead at all. He could be their Judas.
cardstudent
QUOTE (canary523 @ Oct 16 2007, 06:54 AM) *
Long time reader, first time poster..

My first thought last night when I saw the pic of twelve.. was it was similar to the picture of The Last Supper. I don't know much at all about the picture of The Last Supper, but when I got on the forums today and looked at the screencaps of the pic of twelve and then pulled up a picture of The Last Supper there are A LOT of similarities..

If anyone knows more about the picture of The Last Supper, maybe there is some significance in the placing of the people in the pic of twelve?

I noticed the following:

From left to right the first group of three in the The Last Supper (dark hair person, blond person, bald older man), in the pic of twelve (dark hair woman, blond woman, bald older man(Linderman)).

Next group of three in The Last Supper (dark skinned person, a man looking to the center of the picture, and another person leaning left), in the pic of twelve (Charles Deveaux, Papa Petrelli (looking to the center), Angela Petrelli (kind of leaning left))..

Next group I need help with.. in the pic of twelve there is an angel between Kaito and Angela, Kaito, Bob, man with moustache, in The Last Supper (Jesus, and then the three to the right of him).

Then the last group of three, in The Last Supper (Red haired person, white haired person, bald person), in the pic of twelve (red haired woman, white hair man is seated, bald man (Parkman))..

Also in The Last Supper there are tall windows in the background and tall (black rectangular wall hangings), similar to the skyscrapers in the background of the pic of twelve.

I know this show has religious undertones to it.. and there might be some signficance between these two pictures, so in the vast knowledge of the people in this forum, I was hoping to see if I'm way off base or if anyone else has some thoughts on this?

I find that those parallels are very interesting. This is how i would break down the painting focusing just on people we know.
Linderman=Andrew
Mr. Petrelli = Simon Peter
Mr. Deavoux= Judas Iscariot(the berayer)
Angela= John who is commonly confused in this painting with Mary Magdalen
Kaito=Jesus
The other ones must be taken a little out of order.
Bob=Matthew(tax collector)
Parkman's Dad=Not really sure on this one but most possibly Simon the zealot whom little is known about.

Here is the interesting correlation Andrew and simon peter were brothers much as Petrelli and Linderman were close. Andrew also setup a domain in constantinople which would later detach from the the Roman catholics. John and Jesus wher closely tied together in church tradition as were Jesus and Mary Magdalen. Angela Petrelli and Kaito have been suggested to have a close bond bordering on intimacy. If this is the case then I beleive that Kaito's power is ressurection or regeneration much like jesus rose from the dead so will Kaito. Bob correlates well into Matthew because Matthew was a tax collector and as we ahve seen previously Bob has the ability to change things into gold. Parkman's dad is tricky because we don't really know much about him. We also don't know much about Simon the Zealot. But if he is a Zealot then look for him to be taking out hte war on either the rest of the 12 or on the non-power weilding humans.
Ryoga
QUOTE (YellowJacket @ Oct 16 2007, 07:18 PM) *
For what it's worth, Mr. Parkman's counterpart in Da Vinci's painting is Simon, who is being looked to for answers from Matthew and Thaddeus...coincidence? It may prove interesting to find out what Mr. Parkman's first name is.

His first name is Maury. What interests me though is that Petrelli's first name is Arthur. Could there be some king Arthur reference when he gets into the picture?
thepoohguy
Okay but in The Last Supper, there are 13 people, not 12. Jesus had 12 disciples, which is what I thought when I heard there were 12 founders. Maybe there was an all inclusive leader?
Ryoga
QUOTE (thepoohguy @ Oct 16 2007, 09:58 PM) *
Okay but in The Last Supper, there are 13 people, not 12. Jesus had 12 disciples, which is what I thought when I heard there were 12 founders. Maybe there was an all inclusive leader?

The guy taking the photo?
darkcreole
QUOTE (thepoohguy @ Oct 16 2007, 02:58 PM) *
Okay but in The Last Supper, there are 13 people, not 12. Jesus had 12 disciples, which is what I thought when I heard there were 12 founders. Maybe there was an all inclusive leader?


I mentioned in another thread that if you look at how Bob is leaning it's as though someone had been standing to his right in the area between him and Kaito. Maybe that person was edited out of the photo.
gazreth
QUOTE (darkcreole @ Oct 16 2007, 10:37 PM) *
I mentioned in another thread that if you look at how Bob is leaning it's as though someone had been standing to his right in the area between him and Kaito. Maybe that person was edited out of the photo.


Claude/someone else invisible? Probably not really.
canary523
QUOTE (cardstudent @ Oct 16 2007, 02:15 PM) *
I find that those parallels are very interesting. This is how i would break down the painting focusing just on people we know.
Linderman=Andrew
Mr. Petrelli = Simon Peter
Mr. Deavoux= Judas Iscariot(the berayer)
Angela= John who is commonly confused in this painting with Mary Magdalen
Kaito=Jesus
The other ones must be taken a little out of order.
Bob=Matthew(tax collector)
Parkman's Dad=Not really sure on this one but most possibly Simon the zealot whom little is known about.

Here is the interesting correlation Andrew and simon peter were brothers much as Petrelli and Linderman were close. Andrew also setup a domain in constantinople which would later detach from the the Roman catholics. John and Jesus wher closely tied together in church tradition as were Jesus and Mary Magdalen. Angela Petrelli and Kaito have been suggested to have a close bond bordering on intimacy. If this is the case then I beleive that Kaito's power is ressurection or regeneration much like jesus rose from the dead so will Kaito. Bob correlates well into Matthew because Matthew was a tax collector and as we ahve seen previously Bob has the ability to change things into gold. Parkman's dad is tricky because we don't really know much about him. We also don't know much about Simon the Zealot. But if he is a Zealot then look for him to be taking out hte war on either the rest of the 12 or on the non-power weilding humans.



Thanks for all the posts.. I haven't had time in the last week to get back here, but this is what I was looking for.. In the latest Behind the Eclipse the writers kind of dismiss the correlation between the pic of twelve and The Last Supper, but I think there is too many similarities between the two..

Also I was counting the Angel (Cherub) between Angela and Kaito as a 13th in the photo to correspond with the Last Supper.. but the person taking the photo could be the 13th.. interesting too, is in the Last Supper there is a figure pointing up and the Angel (Cherub) in the photo is pointing up.. the writer's did say there is a significance to Papa Petrelli having his head turned in the picture.

Thanks for the posts and the information!
Comet
I looked around for a topic on this picture so I thought i'd post it here seeings as it was the first one I came across. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but Kensei is in the picture! The man with his head turned to the side i'm sure is him!

I posted about it on my site, you can check out the picture by clicking the thumbnail on this page.

If it's been posted already then please, please eat my brains.
canary523
QUOTE (Comet @ Oct 29 2007, 04:53 PM) *
I looked around for a topic on this picture so I thought i'd post it here seeings as it was the first one I came across. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but Kensei is in the picture! The man with his head turned to the side i'm sure is him!

I posted about it on my site, you can check out the picture by clicking the thumbnail on this page.

If it's been posted already then please, please eat my brains.


Hey Comet.. thanks for posting, but I'm pretty sure in the episode Nathan points to the man with his head turned and said that was his father...

Also, in the "Behind The Eclipse" article, the writers of heroes were presented with this question:

(Quote from Behind the Eclipse, October 22, 2007)
And the last photo question this week from Jon Peters. "Hey guys, I was wondering if the picture of 'The twelve' has any similarities to the famous painting 'The Last Supper?' I know it's a bit of a stretch, but..." Considering Kring's religious studies in college, it doesn't seem like it necessarily is a stretch, Jon. Guys?

Stretch. But, we love the theory – the lord does work in mysterious ways.


Personally, I think there is some connection between "the twelve" and "The Last Supper", but I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Jenae
I agree... I think the man with his head turned in Kensei... I think the man with the mustache (sp) is Mr Petrelli because I swear I remember... someone saying... why isn't Mrs. Petrelli standing next to Hiro's dad (sorry... can't spell his name...) and not her husband...
TheProblem
QUOTE (thepoohguy @ Oct 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
Okay but in The Last Supper, there are 13 people, not 12. Jesus had 12 disciples, which is what I thought when I heard there were 12 founders. Maybe there was an all inclusive leader?

That would be Kensei, the first person with powers. Those twelve are his disciples or whatever.
This is a good theory.
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