LoL.

Sorta expected...

But I still thought it was amazing...

Any thoughts?

Matt's Dad, what the...?

OMG!
Where did he put Matt?!
And is Nathan in the "past's future?"
where Hiro didn't kill Sylar and he
took Claire's power?!

THIS IS SOOO COOLL!

I think it's his enhanced ability. He's been labeled the nightmare man by Molly and that's exactly what he does. Obviously, Nathan's nightmare would be the fact that he didn't save NYC from the bomb (Peter) and that it still had happened. Matt's little jail scene, well I'm not too sure what that's about.

Enhanced ability?

I think he is showing them their
worst fears, thus the name
"nightmare man," showing them
their...nightmares.
And I think he is showing Molly
something terrible about Mohinder
or Matt because Molly cares so much
about them.

Matt's nightmare was that the baby was in fact, his and that he abandoned the baby. Not sure why he was in jail though.

OMG. I was right! He could in some way, produce the person's worst powers, kind of illusions like Candice but he could get them from inside of their heads as well.

His ability is insane! Looks like he is very much a nightmare man. He put Matt and Nathan into like their worst nightmares.

Well, DoG, he's a cop, so naturally the place he would fear the most, would in fact be jail. That's just my guess.

I didn't see that coming at all, especially after he appeared as a cowardly middle aged man.

I thought it was pretty kickass how he made them fight eachother.

My question is, will Matt's power develop into this also or was his dad just messing with him. He did stop it.

Did he say that his power started off as mind reading and got more powerful? And, did Matt use his power to actually communicate directly to Nathan? And, can we expect Matt to eventually have the same powers as his dad?

I was right! And I loved how they made it seem like he wasn't actually the Nightmare Man at first.

Wasn't paying child support?

That would make sense, Money!

Here's a question for ya'll. Why do you think when Molly was trapped in her nightmare she went into a "coma" like state but when Nathan and Matt were trapped they were effectively thrashing each other under the illusion? Do you think Molly was affected differently because of her power? Or do you think Matt's dad can both put you in a induced sleep and give you a "waking nightmare" so to speak.

That's what I was wondering. His dad could have been lying to him to get him to step into that room though.

Wow, I'm slow. I was thinking Matt was using his regular powers, then when you said that I realized he actually directed thoughts INTO Nathan's head. I guess his powers really are growing and extending. I think it is very possible that he may grow to have the same powers as his father.

Also, why can he see Molly? It seems like he can project nightmares, but how can he see Molly looking for him? Does Molly actually get into someones head to find someone? Maybe he can detect her entering his mind and he trapped her in a nightmare. I'm just not sure how he sees her.

OMG
It was so cool that the nightmare man shifted Matt's and Petrelli's preceptions so that they each thought they were fighting their nightmare or imprisoner when they were actually fighting each other.

I tend to think it's more like a mental/psychological attack.

Idk. LoL.

It was so creepy how the way he acted like he was worried about being killed and wanted to help, but was so evil. So creepy. He seemed like he might not be bad, but then we see him trap Matt and Nathan in nightmares and was all scary. Great character.

That overall scene was my favorite from this episode...especially when it's like "OMG...they're totally fighting each other in their separate dreams!"

I also LOVE how he just nonchalantly walks out of the apartment...so great

matt's father's ability seems like a really powerful telepathy so he can probably look into the mind of the person as seen with the nightmares, or sense someone looking into his

What do you guys think about the photos in Maury's apt? I mean, at first, when they try to make us think hes NOT the bad guy, he shows a pic of himself with the symbol. Then, after he is clearly a nightmare ******, they find Bob is the next marked man.

very interesting

I want to know what Caito, the Petrellis, and the others in the picture can do. We know Bob is an alchemist but what about the others? And, why does Maury want the others dead?

I think Matt's Dad was lying when he said he had telepathy too, as of yet we haven't really seen any connection between the parent's abilities and those of their kids (Niki+DL=Micah, Nathan+Meredith=Claire?)

The dream fighting sequence was awesome, post-explosion NY really creeped me out alot more than I'd of thought it would, that was probably my favorite storyline of the episode

Great scene. Loved it when it showed that they were actually fighting each other.

Clearly Matt's greatest fear would be jail, because all his life he's been trying to avoid becoming his dad, that is to say, a criminal. His character is clearly dominated by this innate fear, which caused him to become a cop, because that's about the farthest from being a criminal as you can get.

I do believe that Matt and Maury have the same power, if only to create a character contrast. I think their powers will manifest differently based on their character differences, and Matt's need to oppose all of his father's values and morals will create an interesting juxtaposition.

I really love how Parkman Sr., despite his appearance, can be so sinister. It's what I love about the older generation.

He's a pretty nasty father from the looks of it... So cruel...

I wonder if he's one of the ones from the group that Linderman claimed had become corrupted...well, the guy pretty much admitted so much himself, really. I guess that's a yes.

They had to work extremely hard to choreograph both fight scenes to be exactly the same, in different environments, and then to bring them both together. That was AWESOME! And Matt's dad, creepy! I think he can see into your mind. Like how Matt can only hear thoughts (so far), his Dad can actually see your thoughts. And chooses to create nightmares because he's the "Fruiet of the Devial" (guess the reference !) Maybe Matt's power will evolve more. We are seeing how other's are learning more about their abilities, like Claire. And since Matt did project thoughts into Nathan's head...didn't even realize that at the moment! I thought he was saying it, trying to wake Nathan up. Anyway, do you think the burnt Nathan was always a projection from "Nightmare Man", or was it something Nathan created on his own, and Matt's dad used it against him? Also, if Matt didn't wake Nathan up, he would have been dead. Maybe Matt's dad causes people to kill themselves in a way, without them realizing it, like when Angela Petrelli attacked herself. And people said it almost looked like Kaito jumped over the edge. Maybe because he was hallucinating that he was being pushed? Crazy new character though. Glad we finally got to see how his power actually works!

He could have used that, as people have said, just to lure Matt into the room. I am thinking though, sincce Matt was able to project into Nathan to end the fight somehow, Matt might grow into a similar power. I know we haven't seen powers passed down from generations, as far as, the same power, but it doesn't mean they can't.

Somehow, Matt was able to break the hold his father put on their minds. I don't think it was meant to be only temporary, so... Matt had to have broken it somehow. That implies pretty strongly, to me, that he has similar abilities.



I don't think so, actually. It was made pretty clear that he didn't think the baby was his. I assume, if they divorced, they actually had to do a paternity test. Otherwise, legally, for most states, at least, if a woman is married at the time of birth, the husband's name goes on the birth certificate automatically. If Parkman was automatically listed as father, I assume he wouldn't have implied that he wasn't the father, without a paternity test. If he did have one, then it would excuse him from paying support, if it wasn't actually his child.




Kaito... lol.

I don't know. What sick pleasure could he get out of killing them. There has to be an advantage, but we're not seeing it yet. Otherwise, why would he just now be starting to take the older generation out?

I wonder what Kaito's power is too though. I mean, Papa Petrelli wasn't supposed to have any, but that still seems odd to me. Maybe that's why he's blurred out of the picture, and everyone else was left in?

In the meantime - could Charles Deveaux have been a dreamer of some kind, hence Peter's dream of Nathan's wreck as it happened? Claude (does he count?) is invisible. Bob is an alchemist. I feel like Angela might have mental powers of some kind, because she appeared to shout back at Matt when he read her mind. Kaito.. not immortal, obviously. LOL

I think Maury's storyline is the best new one! I love it, how miserably evil he is. I didn't like Sylar as much, but this villain, he's awesome!

I think this explains Angela's reaction in the police station. The guy was messing with her head, and causing her to freak out! Phew!

And, maybe kaito did jump, if his nightmare was scary enough.

I'm interested in seeing how Matt's power develops compared to Maury's. I mean, we know that the powers are largely based on the characters; their emotions, their life experiences, their present situation, etc. So I want to see if Matt's power, assuming his is similar to what Maury's was when he first got his, develops similarly or differently, considering the differences in the characters; one's a police officer and the other's a criminal, for example.

is it me or is matt's fathers power like candace's? Im confused now he obviously made peter and nathan see illusions of there minds just like candace does. I think the writers likes candace powers so much they decided that since the actor that played candace had to quit the show they would just link her ability with matts and enchance it to be the same. Obviously matt can do what his fahter can he just doesnt know how to do that yet...does anybody agree with me ?

Theres no rule against coincidences as far as I know.

What I want to know is if this is an offshoot of telepathy, what does this say about the ability Candice possessed? Definitely not saying that it's the same power but looking back, what is the difference?

I think Matt's dad was trying to teach Matt to extend his power kinda by throwing him directly into the pool to get him to swim. He may still be a good guy... commitment issues, but good.

What he did, thats like walking up to your eight year old and saying "okay son, today I'm going to teach you how to fight" before punching him directly in the gut...hard.

The teaching method is questionable but it did produce the desired result. It's not on the same scale as mass murderer.

No, more like double homicide.

He might not be the guy that's going around assassinating with a vengeance but I still say he was just trying to save his own ***.

i think it was the same power because: when Matt tried to read his mind, he got that audio feedback he got when he tried to read Peter's mind while Peter was mimicking him. Plus, we later see that Matt's power goes beyond reading minds...he hasn't even begun to test his limits.

Yah true! But I'm still wondering if Matt's dad is the real killer. His powers just dont connect to the events of Kiato's death. And...as many people said, his body/figure doesnt match up with the hooded dude on top of the Dauvo. Roof (sorry I might have spelled that wrong). This brings up an interesting theory: Is Matt's dad working for the killer? Just a thought...What do you guys think? Doesnt matter what happens in the end, as long as Heroes stays strong and rocks our socks every week. Good thougt again reanimatorx

Matt's father is just a way more advanced telepath. He can project things into people's heads. If you know anything about X-Men, think of him as Professor X.

"It starts out as reading minds, but it turns into so much more."

Great, now I'm seeing a mental image of Matt in an old Marvel Girl/Jean Grey outfit.

A few things:

- Maurys power is not like Candices. She creates illusions around you and physicaly while you are awake, he creates fears into your mind only and puts you into short of a sleep state.

- Angela only knew that Matt was reading her thoughts due to what he said about revenge. She already confirmed that in a interview. Otherwise if he wouldn't mention it she wouldn't know that he read her thoughts.

- Telepathy is a power that can enhance the communication between the telepath and the person affected so the telepath not only can read the others mind but also talk with someone by letting him/her know that he is in their mind. That's actually what probably will Matt be able to do.

- Maurys power is different to Matts.

- Maury can only see Molly is looking for him when she is near enough. That means if Molly would stay in episode 4 outside the appartment, he wouldn't be able to locate her yet. As we could see, he was able to locate that someone was in his head after she entered the 3rd floor.

Linderman confirmed last season that Papa Petrelli did indeed have powers. He even called Petrelli weak. Probably because he wanted to use his powers for something 'good', unlike Linderman and his wife. Perhaps his death and Charles DeVeux's are related (charles killed off by "the 12" theory)

Could've been something from Isaac. He's a precog and Peter could've absorbed his ability without knowing it. Who says precogs like Isaac can't predict and see things in their dreams, in their sub/unconscious?



Does Claude count as what?

btw, Angela has no known power yet. She only shouted at Parkman because she knew he was in her head. She's familiar with powers and after seeing this ep with Matt's dad, she could've been familiar with telepaths. After Parkman mentioned revenge, she wanted him out of her head so shouted because she knew he'd hear and that he'd freak out.

Kaito's power was only rumored to be immortal.




Maybe? Well, for sure, he went over the edge (lol), but there was someone there, because Ando saw him, too. Maury can mind!@#$ you, but I don't think he can make so that an outsider can walk in on your nightmare and see it. That would imply that Maury can create physical manifestations and junk.

I think Maury Parkman was telling the truth when he said he was just protecting himself, and I still think so. I'm pretty sure that he was responsible for what happened to Angela, but I think he was just warning her against giving him up, and it scared her enough to make her confess to killing Kaito.
I don't think he's the one doing the actual killing. I just have a feeling.

I have to say, I thought this was going to be the classic T.V. fake-out where we think Maury is the nightmare man and then we find out he's just a red herring. When Parkman started questioning him I thought " Oh, the nightmare man just tricked Molly and led them to Maury". Man, was I wrong.

That was awesome. Plus the quality of the editing and choreography during Nathan and Matt's nightmares spectacular. You don't generally see that caliber of production on television show and it was very cool.

Maury Parkman is the Nightmare Man who shows people their worst nightmares.

Matt Parkman will become the Wet Dream Man who earns a lot of money from perverts.

to me this has got to be the best episode of the current season...so far...loved the CGI used for Nathan's nightmare..and for a cop Matt can't fight for nuts

If all this is so, then the photo of Matt's dad with the symbol, could this be his own set up? or is the kiler another 1 of the 12?