So we saw that Maury had a picture of himself with the helix over it. But then we also saw that he had the one of Bob too. Is he the one doing this to everyone else? Is he the patsy of someone else? Or did the killer just simply give him the one of Bob to give to him himself?

I don't think the killer is him. Is it possible? Yes, but it seems as if the person killing them all off is doing it only because what they did in the past was wrong and they should be punished for it. This guy seems sinister enough and I just don't think the profiles match really but I don't know.

He could have made the threatening picture for himself as a red harring in case Matt or someone else showed up. I think the whole nightmare room trap shows he thinks ahead. Then again, we don't know that much about Bob. Maybe Bob knows Mr. Parkman and Bob gave his threatening picture to him at a similar meeting to what Angela and Kaito had. Still, I don't have a good feeling about that scenario being true.

Personally i think yes Matts dad is evil but someone is after everyone, they possibly dropped off the pic to him and bob visited him and showed him the pic. Obviouly everyone has their own close personal friend Kaito and Angela, and now it could be Bob and Maury. He might be attacking everyone else so that no one can kill him, so he's gonna kill everyone before they get to him.

I'm still going back and forth between the possibility of him being the Nightmare Man (and even being the one killing the others) and him just overly protecting himself, even after tonight's episode.

I lean towards him being the Nightmare Man (and the killer), but I can see both possibilities.

It does seem to me that he is very much someone who plans ahead. He probably did have the picture of himself with a helix to trick whoever. Very tricky guy.

is it possible that Kaitos death and Angelas wounds were all just caused by themselves as result of the nightmare man. think about it there was no body found with Kaitos, and no one else was in the room with Angela. why is it not possible that matts dad trapped them in a dream and caused them to hurt/kill themselves

I really don't think Maury is the killer. But I just found it really weird that he had Bob's picture. I'm still sticking to who I think the killer is, and it's not Maury. I guess I was just asking why he had Bob's

Yah I totally agree with you! Plus Matt's dad just doesnt seem the type/figure/etc. to be the real killer. His powers don't really match up to Kiato's death showdown. Like I said in the other forum topics...it doesnt matter what happens in the end, as long as Heroes stays strong and rocks our socks every week.

I don't think he is the killer himself. He just try to protect himself and to do that he want's better to be alone as it seems. I still think that Kane/Kensei want's revenge from all the elders of what they did to him in the past.

I can't remember.. but does Ando ever actually state that he saw a person push Kaito off the building? Could Ando have come in and then just seen Kaito falling off the building then Ando yelling out to Kaito?

If this happens then it could be Maury doing the killings.. He could have put Kaito in a nightmare and had him see someone push him off the building.. thus pretty much jumping off the building himself... this would explain why there is no 2nd body.

Angela could have been shown a nightmare where she is trying to get something off of her.. scrape something... Thus creating scratches all over herself and them being self induced.

BUT if Ando did see someone push Kaito.. then that theory is shot... I'll try to rewatch the episode where Ando is talking to the police tonight. Then again.. who is to say Maury's power is just limited to showing one person their own nightmare.. Why couldn't he show both Ando and Kaito the same vision?

I seriously doubt it was Nathan being mind controlled... if that were the case.. You'd think Nathan wouldn't be so suprised when he winds up in nightmareland at Maury's apt.

I also don't think it's West.. In Beaming Beeman's blog.. he stated that they had Claire and West fly to the the Hollywood sign instead of the abandoned Oil Rig in TX b/c the logistics of West flying that distance hanging out for a while then flying back that night didn't make sense... so if they dropped that idea.. why would they have him fly across the whole country and come back to be able to go to school the next day?

Not sure if I was seeing things or not, but the picture of parkmans dad (with the helix) had someone with a grey suit beside him and NOT the brown headed woman..

looking for a screenie now...

1. maury parkman, matts dad is the killer. He used his photo with a helix.. to con nathan and matt.

2. bob is the next target.

3. He killed kaito by 1. making him halucinate.. by illusion.

4. made mrs petrelli hurt her self... again by halucination.

5. matt powers have evolved... as well as reading minds.. he can induce/communicate with minds... thats how he got nathan to wake up.. see episode closely

6.in episode 7 bob nathan niki mohinder mat team up to tackle matts dad.. see spoilefix.

7.was niki used to kill bob by maury parkman?

Yea That's what I was saying.. that Maury is the killer.. I'm trying to disprove all the talk about Nathan and West being the killer or being "controlled" to do so.

I just watched the scene of Kaito's death again. Ando DEFINITELY saw the killer.

oh okay.. well there goes that idea then... BUT there's still the possibility that Maury can make two people see the same thing... We know from last night's episode that he can control two (three if you count Molly) people's visions/dreams at once.. and all of them being different... so I'd think he could make more than one person see the same thing... and from the GN today.. Maury tells Molly that this is a dream he created just for her... so that implies that he can control what they see.. its not just automatically their worst fear (but obviously that's the most effective)

I still think it's Maury behind Kaito's & Angela's attacks... but now I'm like 80% sure LOL I do love how things are picking up on the show tho!

how did maury parkman shut off the lights and lock the doors at the police station and attack angela?

Could be related to her power.

Actually, the man that Ando saw could have been the one having a nightmare.

I'm starting to think there isn't just one killer. I think it's possible that with the deaths of Charles, Mr.Petrelli, & Linderman, and along with the bomb plot failing, that it has created a power vaccuum within the company and now the group has split up into different factions. 2 or 3 of them have resolved themselves to killing off the others and taking over the company and all it's assets for themselves.

Think about it, Bob, the Petrelli's, Linderman, Charles, Kaito...all of them were very well off and seemed to have no shortage of power or money. Now look at Maury, living in a dinky little apartment in Philly...seems he got the bad end of the deal. It's possible that one or two other company founders are also living in similiar conditions and are tired of seeing all the others living the high life. Why does this make so much sense? Because money is a perfectly logical motive for murder. It's not about revenge, it's about money and power.

the thing is, you can't really say they marked Linderman or Charles...Charles seemed to die of natural causes and Linderman was killed by DL, DL wasn't working for anyone. Don't know about Mr. Petrelli but yeah...