Justin
Oct 22 2007, 06:41 PM
No, really... do I actually have to say anything?
It'd be one thing if he was without options, but HRG, the PROFESSIONAL who used to WORK FOR the Company says "take her to a hospital"... and Mohinder tells him (since Mohinder knows... what about the Company?) what should be done...
It's not like Matt doesn't have a Cell phone either... and HRG made a really good case and Mohinder... ugh. He deserves whatever happens to him now.
(For those who actually Don't know, Mohinder turned a comatose Molly over to the Company -- Bob could probably call up Papa Parkman who has connections to the comapny and ask him to let her go so she can find people for them. Ugh)
praline
Oct 22 2007, 06:45 PM
yeah Mohinder wasn't too swift on that call was he?
Yeah I am going to take my adopted daughter to the evil take over the world company who is so evil my little group is trying to bring it down... but hey they can help my little girl, right?
Darth Neo
Oct 22 2007, 06:47 PM
Dumbest move of both seasons so far...
Leek
Oct 22 2007, 06:47 PM
Yeah, this is exactly why Matt shouldn't have left. It wasn't Molly he needed to stay for, it was Mohinder, to make sure he didn't do anything stupid.
I suppose it could have been worse. At least he didn't burn the apartment down
xaniq
Oct 22 2007, 06:49 PM
lol what about the part where he tazers niki/jessica
CrewWolf
Oct 22 2007, 06:50 PM
Man, is Matt going to be po'ed when he comes back. And the ironic thing is, from what we saw, Matt might possibly have the power to save her.
eviljester
Oct 22 2007, 06:51 PM
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 22 2007, 06:49 PM)

I suppose it could have been worse. At least he didn't burn the apartment down

Nah, we already had the burn down apartments if you're affiliated with the company storyline with Meredith.
reanimatorx
Oct 22 2007, 06:51 PM
Yeah I mean wtf?
"hey matt go find the nightmare man & save her. youre the one who put her and jeopardy. by the way while ur gone im just gonna take her into some more danger.. you dont mind, do you?"
delusions_of_grandeur
Oct 22 2007, 06:52 PM
A part of me kind of expected Mohinder to do something like this..as brilliant as he is, he is so naive about things. Take the whole fiasco with him and Sylar last season. Of course, Kring and Co. made Mohinder to be this way, so there must be a reason for his idiocy...lol
themightytruk
Oct 22 2007, 06:56 PM
For having good intentions, Mohinder makes a lot of bad decisions. I hope this somehow works out for him and Molly. Poor Molly.
Leek
Oct 22 2007, 07:10 PM
Somebody needs to slap him. Obviously, has never been slapped in his life, and that's what he needs. Matt needs to sit him down, smack him and say "NO! BAD MOHINDER! NO!". Because obviously, no matter how many times he is screwed over or trapped or almost killed, he doesn't learn.
DannyP
Oct 22 2007, 07:29 PM
Was a hospital really an option, though? Molly was rendered comatose by an extremely powerful telepath, something that Mohinder couldn't possibly explain. Even if he somehow got past that obstacle, what's the hospital staff going to do? The Company, however, knows Molly, would do nothing to harm her, and is equipped to deal with this better than any hospital could ever hope to be.
Leek
Oct 22 2007, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (DannyP @ Oct 22 2007, 11:29 PM)

Was a hospital really an option, though? Molly was rendered comatose by an extremely powerful telepath, something that Mohinder couldn't possibly explain. Even if he somehow got past that obstacle, what's the hospital staff going to do? The Company, however, knows Molly, would do nothing to harm her, and is equipped to deal with this better than any hospital could ever hope to be.
When has the company
ever just helped someone for the sake of helping them? Now that Mohinder has brought Molly to them, they'll want to use her. Find someoe here, someone there. So much for a normal life for her. And like Bennet said, once they have something you care about, your theres for good. If Sylar does have the virius, and the company has Molly, what choice will Mohinder have but to cough up some of that magic blood?
DannyP
Oct 22 2007, 07:41 PM
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 22 2007, 07:32 PM)

When has the company ever just helped someone for the sake of helping them? Now that Mohinder has brought Molly to them, they'll want to use her. Find someoe here, someone there. So much for a normal life for her. And like Bennet said, once they have something you care about, your theres for good. If Sylar does have the virius, and the company has Molly, what choice will Mohinder have but to cough up some of that magic blood?
Yes, Mohinder handing over Molly pretty much means that the Company can keep him in check, but we all know the Company would never harm Molly. She was, and is, important to them. In addition, if Mr. Parkman is no longer associated with the Company, all the more motivation to help her.
nickpowers101
Oct 22 2007, 07:44 PM
I guess he was all emotional and couldn't exercise rational thought. In either case, I'm not sure if it was entirely a bad move because Molly would be getting immediate medical attention. Then Mohinder could work on freeing her.
CrewWolf
Oct 22 2007, 07:49 PM
Perhaps he figures since he got her out of their clutches the first time, it should be even easier to do it again now that he's had the experience
Marlique
Oct 22 2007, 07:51 PM
Molly is just one very unlucky little girl. Someone in last week's episode's forum made a list of her misadventures... something like "Born. Gets parents killed. Is almost kidnapped by Sylar." etc...
You can add to that list that she has two dimwitted adoptive dads. We're talking small brains here. Gotta wear a tuque in winter, cause that lil head is bound to freeze reeeeeaaaaal quick.
HeroHunter
Oct 22 2007, 07:52 PM
Definitely a stupid move on Mohinder's part. But I don't think he would of done something like that if it wasn't for Niki telling him that the Company was the only thing that could help people like her.
llerban
Oct 22 2007, 08:04 PM
Mohinder and Matt are two of the dumbest people on this show, neither one uses their brains and does the sensible thing. Mohinder thinks he knows Everything and Matt wants things just his way. I hope they lose these characters, I really am not liking them
Leek
Oct 22 2007, 08:11 PM
QUOTE (Marlique @ Oct 22 2007, 11:51 PM)

Molly is just one very unlucky little girl. Someone in last week's episode's forum made a list of her misadventures... something like "Born. Gets parents killed. Is almost kidnapped by Sylar." etc...
You can add to that list that she has two dimwitted adoptive dads. We're talking small brains here. Gotta wear a tuque in winter, cause that lil head is bound to freeze reeeeeaaaaal quick.
Yeah, I did that in a thread about how Matt didn't think before he made her search for his power. If you take the little bit we know about her young life, it isn't that pretty.
Molly Is born, she lives a happy life, loves her parents-->
Molly is "different" (She has a power)--> Sylar breaks into her home, freezes her father alive, and removes his brain, all while she is watching. -->
Then her mother is impaled with house hold objects against the door behind which Molly is hiding-->
The Company takes her away-->
They keep her locked up, but Sylar finds her anyway, and tries to kidnapp her-->
She has a rare virus that almost kills her-->
She has to go through the whole kirby Plaza mess-->
She goes to live with matt and mohinder, and has horrible nightmares everynight-->
Matt makes her find his Father, who then traps her in an un ending night mare.-->
Mohinder takes her
back to the company.
Marlique
Oct 22 2007, 08:12 PM
QUOTE (HeroHunter @ Oct 23 2007, 03:52 AM)

Definitely a stupid move on Mohinder's part. But I don't think he would of done something like that if it wasn't for Niki telling him that the Company was the only thing that could help people like her.
But... Mohinder brought Molly in long before Niki showed up.
URAINAH
Oct 22 2007, 08:20 PM
Yeah..poor kid! Too bad she just didn't go to live with Micah. They were cute together! And Mohinder is kinda like the genius that can't tie his shoe laces. Lotta book smarts: not so much on the common sense.
the9thwonderisme
Oct 22 2007, 08:45 PM
I dont think mohinder is an idiot he's actually very smart. But I think he's stubborn and beleives he's right all the time. He is a dr. so he has a little bit of arrogance to him but hes very hard headed. Maybe he will change afte rthis season but he doesnt like to listen and it drive me crazy because hes really smart and has so much to offer.
Red9
Oct 22 2007, 08:50 PM
Didn't Bob tell Mohinder a couple weeks ago that he knew that he and Parkman had Molly and that the Company was not going to interfere with that arrangment. Maybe Mohinder hopes that attitude will continue...
Haruhi
Oct 22 2007, 08:57 PM
I agree. That was a stupid mistake.
MalteseCrichton
Oct 22 2007, 09:02 PM
I groaned when he did that. How stupid can you get?
bowlwoman
Oct 22 2007, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (MalteseCrichton @ Oct 23 2007, 12:02 AM)

I groaned when he did that. How stupid can you get?
Apparently Mohinder stupid.
Mohinder is fast going down a slippery slope, and if he's not careful he'll alienate HRG and Matt. He'll be in a world of hurt then, as his only "power" is to bleed himself dry to cure the other Heroes.
theJollity
Oct 22 2007, 09:11 PM
poor Mohinder, always getting caught up in whatever he's doing. First Sylar, now the Company... if we don't see some serious development on his part, I may just scream.
MalteseCrichton
Oct 22 2007, 09:16 PM
QUOTE (bowlwoman @ Oct 23 2007, 01:09 AM)

Apparently Mohinder stupid.
Mohinder is fast going down a slippery slope, and if he's not careful he'll alienate HRG and Matt. He'll be in a world of hurt then, as his only "power" is to bleed himself dry to cure the other Heroes.
As soon as Matt finds out what he did...oh jeez.
And you know HRG's now must think he is an idiot to. Can't trust people that do things as rashly as Mohinder did.
texgrog
Oct 22 2007, 09:23 PM
Montrealer
Oct 22 2007, 09:28 PM
So, if I understand the people bashing Mohinder here (and I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand) -
Would it have been preferable for Molly to die than to bring her to the company for treatment? Because as much as I groaned when he went on that course of action, it sure seemed like that was the choice he felt he was facing.
RPCity
Oct 22 2007, 11:38 PM
That decision I can more or less rationalize for reasons already written above (i.e he was faced with Molly's death as an alternative)..but how about at the end of the episode where it becomes pretty obvious that Mohinder is becoming the new HRG? He's got the tazer, he shows up at Monica's house..I wonder where this is going. Talk about getting in over your head.
Marzipan
Oct 23 2007, 03:57 AM
Mohinder's decision was semi-rational for some of the reasons mentioned: Molly was near death, regular doctors can't help, plus the Company already knows where Molly is anyway and they could quite easily take her if they truly wanted her. It's not a GOOD decision by any means, but it's understandable if you look at Mohinder as a) a parent with his back to the wall and b) a pragmatist.
THIS is why it's a problem to have 9 stories going on at once in an episode! The time wasted on Hiro and Kensei, or Caitlin and Peter's hump-a-thon, would have been better spent establishing Molly's grave condition and Mohinder's sense of desperation. Instead Mohinder came to his decision so suddenly I practically had whiplash. Even setting aside whether Mo is "stupid" or not, it's just plain bad characterization - for the last four episodes he's been consistently painted as someone who despises the Company to the core of his being, and now he gives them his daughter? Bad plotting, bad writing, bad pacing.
Mohinder better have one HELL of a trick up his sleeve to make up for this...
Viola
Oct 23 2007, 04:06 AM
Honestly, I would have done the same thing he did.
Molly is dying, obviously, otherwise he wouldn't take measures this drastic.
He didn't want to take her to a hospital.
Understandable as well. The doctors at a normal hospital don't have the know-how to help her, meaning that bringing her in would in all likeliness not save her.
I'm pretty sure HRG knows this as well, but as he showed in the first season, when he was out to "destroy the Walker-system", her life isn't exactly his first priority. It seems when she's with the company his priority rather is her death.
Besides, the Company already knows where Molly is. They don't need Mohinder to hand her over. She already is in their hand. They could just snatch her when ever they want. Suresh and Parkman both work and she goes to school. Plenty of opportunity.
Bringing her to a hospital would also mean that people would ask questions, especially since she is dying from an unknown cause.
What is an Indian geneticist doing with an American girl he is unrelated to? I don't think he's her legal guardian. It's likely she would be taken away.
On the other hand, since Suresh worked with the Company when he healed Molly, he's already familiar with the medical facilities of the Company. He's best equipped to judge what they can and can't do. Mr. "I-don'-even-know-who-signs-my-paychecks" Bennet lacks the medical training to make such a call.
No, really. I think Mohinder did the right thing.
I do, however, hope he's able to save her from HRG, last time our favorite Company Man wanted to kill the girl Matt barely was able to hold him back.
edit: Meh. Grammar. Can't think today.
Justin
Oct 23 2007, 04:33 AM
Good points made on Mohinder's behalf:
A hospital can't help her
Bob already knew about her
... sure okay, those do make sense. But I simply disagree. A hospital could have kept her alive until her mind was freed, period. There's no guarantee that The Company can help Molly, but it is guaranteed that they will take advantage of her if they do. It was, all in all, unwise.
The best thing about the episode was, possibly, Mohinder realizing that people needed help and that he was one that could give it to them if he wasn't stuck within The Company... otherwise, The Company would remain the only ones who could ever help.
Alordo
Oct 23 2007, 04:40 AM
His move was dumb and smart. Now she will be looked after if he and Matt are away, but as stated, the Company will use her for their own twisted purposes. I just hope he can help Niki. Then she can lay the smack down from inside.
Marzipan
Oct 23 2007, 04:54 AM
QUOTE
A hospital could have kept her alive until her mind was freed
We don't know that... then again, neither does Mohinder. I think 90% of his "looking stupid" would go away if they had showed him actually
trying to get a real doctor's help before going to the Company - if it had been made clearer that the Company was his absolute last resort.
shwilson224
Oct 23 2007, 06:01 AM
QUOTE (Justin @ Oct 23 2007, 08:33 AM)

There's no guarantee that The Company can help Molly, but it is guaranteed that they will take advantage of her if they do. It was, all in all, unwise.
Disagree. The Company could have taken advantage of Molly anytime they wanted. They knew where she lived, they knew where she slept, where she went to school, when the perfect time to take her would have been. They didn't. It's not guaranteed that Bob is running things the same way Linderman did. And even then, the Company has NEVER been evil. Just MORALLY GRAY.
A hospital would have asked questions, Mohinder would have had to lie, which means the doctors at the hospital would have been at a disadvantage in helping her. "You see, doc, there's this guy in her brain." That would have went over well. The Company at least believes him.
And just because HRG tells him not to go the company doesn't mean he is interested in Molly's best interest. He is trying to keep Molly away from the Company so he can save Claire. He probably would be OK with Molly kicking the bucket. She is a threat to him and his family. Mohinder can't trust him when it comes to Molly's well being. He did what any father would do. Followed his gut. Whether it turns out to be a mistake or not, you can't fault him for that.
Snxke
Oct 23 2007, 06:06 AM
I don't know what you guys think but It seems like Mohinder is starting to believe in the company.
EdensDemise
Oct 23 2007, 06:06 AM
I can't understand why he is acting as if he has no clue what The Company is up to. He does know. He knows all too well. Did he get amnesia and we don't know about it?
Look, I'm a parent and you are going to do just about anything to help your child or your pretend child in his case. All the same. BUT come on! Why would he think they would help her? He knows better.
I don't know who is more of a tool, him or Matt. That poor little girl has two dads and between them they don't equate one bit of common sense. She struck out hard core.
10thWOTW
Oct 23 2007, 06:57 AM
I don't think Mohinder is a Complete Idiot, but he is working on his Final Exam!
I do think that he made the right decision as the Company knows all about him, Matt, where they live yadda,yadda. This would be the best place to get Molly well as they have the facillities and lab to get things done - even though, as Mohinder knows, they will exploit her power - maybe that is exactly what Mohinder wants!
Marzipan
Oct 23 2007, 08:06 AM
QUOTE
Why would he think they would help her? He knows better.
Because Molly is potentially useful to the Company, Bob has a very self-interested reason to not let her die.
Terrestrial
Oct 23 2007, 08:12 AM
QUOTE (Marzipan @ Oct 23 2007, 12:06 PM)

Because Molly is potentially useful to the Company, Bob has a very self-interested reason to not let her die.
Well the whole thing was handled poorly by Mohinder. First of all, I don't understand what Mohinder was reacting to about her condition. Second, the company would have to be the absolute absolute last resort and were other options considered. Third, what is the company going to do over a conventional hospital. Couldn't she have been stabilized by a medical clinic once the right excuses were made about why Molly was being brought there by Mohinder.
Finally, what did Mohinder tell the company about finding her? I would have to think at this point they are watching every move he is making and are completely amused by his actions. If they aren't watching him 24/7 than the company is dumber than Mohinder, and that would be remarkable.
Marzipan
Oct 23 2007, 08:27 AM
Well, I didn't say it was a good decision - just answered the question "Why would Mohinder think the Company would help Molly?" He actually has very good reason to think the Company will help her. That's not the problem... the problem is what they will extract from Mohinder in return.
Activated
Oct 23 2007, 08:51 AM
It seems to me that Mohinder is slowly getting sucked into "the company". I wouldn't be surprised if his loyalty switches to the company somewhere down the line.
spell "Idiot": M-O-H-I-N-D-E-R
EdensDemise
Oct 23 2007, 08:54 AM
Using her isn't helping her.
Exodio
Oct 23 2007, 09:08 AM
QUOTE (Activated @ Oct 23 2007, 11:51 AM)

It seems to me that Mohinder is slowly getting sucked into "the company". I wouldn't be surprised if his loyalty switches to the company somewhere down the line.
spell "Idiot": M-O-H-I-N-D-E-R
Actually I think you forgot his last name:
Complete Idiot
M-o-h-i-n-d-e-r S-u-r-e-s-h
IvyB
Oct 23 2007, 01:53 PM
I agree with Viola.
I think it was a dumb move to make, but Mohinder felt he didn't have a choice. Considering HRG nearly killed Molly last season and wants to keep Claire safe, I wouldn't trust his judgement on the matter. They could have taken her and used her by now, but they didn't. Mohinder knows he's gotten himself into a mess, but sometimes (most of the time) he acts on pure instincts and you know his heart is in the right place. Even when he screws up royally.
kitty
Oct 23 2007, 02:05 PM
QUOTE (llerban @ Oct 22 2007, 06:04 PM)

Mohinder and Matt are two of the dumbest people on this show, neither one uses their brains and does the sensible thing. Mohinder thinks he knows Everything and Matt wants things just his way. I hope they lose these characters, I really am not liking them
Listen, you can't blame them and call them dumb. They're just impulsive. They both made sacrifices, both of theirs dealing with Molly and neither of them were good.
Matt realized that the only way for Molly to get rid of her nightmares was to attack what they were.
Mohinder realized/thought that the best way for Molly to get better was to take her to the company.
Matt didn't think that Molly could get *stuck* in her dreams! Hell, none of us did! How could he have seen that coming?
And Mohinder was only thinking about the beneift of Molly. Sure, he knew what the company could do, but I think he thought he could be brave again and take her out of the companies hold.
HERΟ
Oct 23 2007, 02:09 PM
QUOTE (kitty @ Oct 23 2007, 10:05 PM)

Listen, you can't blame them and call them dumb. They're just impulsive.
And the actors are only doin' what the writers have them do in the script. Which reminds me. The writers are doin' a good job, so, although some may not like the characters, they also do not know what the writers are planning to show us all about those characters' choices, either.
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