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DaisyDiamonds
I don't know how many Petrelli brother fans are out there. Maybe I am like the 1 of a million who was upset about how they wrote Peter coming upon their "wedding" picture(the one where they wore tuxedos). He was desperate to find out more information he didn't even bother looking at the picture carefully and wonder, "Who is this person? Is he related to me? Could he be important to me? Can he help me remember my past?" Or whatever, ya know? INSTEAD he was like, "God...nothing in here is helpful!"

I just hope when he regains his memory...he finally remembers somebody in NY loves him more than Caitlin EVER WILL!

Do people with amnesia really fling away a picture that easily without trying to remember who that person is and if they have a connection?

Caitlin could have went, "Maybe he's related to you...keep it...maybe you'll remember somehow." Selfish B****!

It just bothered me! Sorry for ranting! smile.gif

I miss them like in Season One. sad.gif
SacredKnight
I wasn't as emphatic about it as you were, but it did bother me a little. I would've liked it if the image of Nathan sparked something . Not return his memory but just know that whoever it was in the pic was important to him.
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (SacredKnight @ Oct 22 2007, 10:42 PM) *
I wasn't as emphatic about it as you were, but it did bother me a little. I would've liked it if the image of Nathan sparked something . Not return his memory but just know that whoever it was in the pic was important to him.



Yeah, sorry I overeacted.

I just hope they don't screw it up like Claire and West, Matt and Mohinder,etc...and also going back to Claire not trusting HRG fully and vice versa.
SacredKnight
You don't owe an apology, I didn't mean for that to sound like I was criticizing you or anything, if it affected you a lot there's nothing wrong with that. smile.gif
Alordo
I agree. The picture should have sparked something, but he just flipped out over it with hardly a glance. Then again, maybe they aren't quite ready for Peter to remember yet.
Rebeccaa
Yeh, I would have liked him to at least take some sort of intrest, I mean he sid himself his life was in the box, it was the only photo, so he should have sensed the importance of it dry.gif
Pft, I'm personally counting down the days to the Petrelli reunion smile.gif
GOPEANUTZ
I agree, i was all like this is going to be great, Peter sees a picture of Nathan or something.. and he sees him and Nathan and he's not even wondering if he's related to him or whatever.. strange he didn't ask for the other one.. dry.gif
wski440
Imagine if you dont remember anything. Then you suddenly have a box and people say it will help you remember who you are. When you open it you find a passport with your name, where you are from, some money, and a picture of someone standing next to you and a plane ticket. While it could be argued that it should spark a memory, if it didnt, then Peter had every right to be upset and flip out because not knowing who you are would be stressful.
Merman
I wonder more about how these specific few items ended up on Peter...

I am assuming that what he had on him was what he was carrying the day he exploded (or did he?) in the last season's finale...

Did he return home after the explosion to get the photo as a souvenir, and did he always carry his passport around on him...?

And did Elle give him a neat haircut and a plane ticket to Montreal, put him into that container and shared some electric vibes with him during that meantime?
Activated
What bothered me is that I don't think it's believable that someone with amnesia wouldn't even want to know things about himself. I mean come on, curiosity is human nature. First by not opening the box the minute he got it, that's just stupid. Especially since he has some kind of freakish powers that a normal human doesn't. Shouldn't he be very interested to find out if the box contains something that will let him know if other people he knows also have powers? Then, when finally he opens the box, he just goes through all of the items without trying to absorb the things or remember anything from the stuff he found inside the box. Wtf? It seems all he wants to do is screw around with Caitlin.

Peter: I don't give a rats ****** about my identity as long as I get laid everyday thanks to Caitlin.
wski440
~Merman
The things in the box were probably put there by someone would could see in the future so that Peter would end up in Canada, and then he got his mind wiped. Im sure it will be answered in '4 months earlier'
VentiDeMilo
I think you guys are over-reacted. That scene happened very fast. He looked a the pic, got frustrated because he had no idea, then he saw the vision on that white board. So I think he got distracted. Then after he painted the future, they got news about Ricky's death. So I don't think he got time to process in what's in the box.

When he has alone/quiet time, I'm sure he will start looking at the pic again, and questioning about who the person in the pic.
EdensDemise
Who says he wasn't wondering?

What was he suppose to do just sit there and stare at it all day. He doesn't know who it is. Can you imagine how frustrating that would be?

To him that is just a picture of himself, a himself he doesn't remember and some guy. Sure it could be someone close to him. Sure it could be someone he is related to. But what good does that do him to pine away at a picture?

It's not as if he can go trotting around the world hoping he see's this guy from the picture. I'm sure he knows all very well that there are many people out there that could mean something to him. He may have just gotten a glimpse of one, but it still means nothing to him.

He is lost. I think the writers have done an excellent job at portraying that.
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (SacredKnight @ Oct 22 2007, 11:27 PM) *
You don't owe an apology, I didn't mean for that to sound like I was criticizing you or anything, if it affected you a lot there's nothing wrong with that. smile.gif



OK, coolies. When I watch a show and get sucked into a storyline it really does affect me like it's for reals. I just hope they are done with the amnesia storyline by Ep 8. In addition, seeing Nathan mourn and still hoping for Peter to return...I was disappointed they didn't show a better scene of him coming upon the picture. I know...he was frustrated. Anyways, I won't go into another rant. tongue.gif

I agree with the other posters about counting down to the reunion!
The Reaper
QUOTE (VentiDeMilo @ Oct 23 2007, 06:55 AM) *
I think you guys are over-reacted. That scene happened very fast. He looked a the pic, got frustrated because he had no idea, then he saw the vision on that white board. So I think he got distracted. Then after he painted the future, they got news about Ricky's death. So I don't think he got time to process in what's in the box.

When he has alone/quiet time, I'm sure he will start looking at the pic again, and questioning about who the person in the pic.



Like on the plane ride to Canada?? wink.gif
Merga
You don't need to be a detective to know that everything in that box was an orgy of clues. What more could you ask for? It was even overkill! Come on, Peter!

Hell, if I was in that situation, I would have been happy with a scrap of paper with my handwriting that said my name. Hell, he could have googled Petrelli and got loads of info on the election which would have helped him identify himself as Nathan's brother.

Anyone with me on this? That scene really insulted our intelligence.
Yogo
In this age of technology, I was wondering why Peter didn't try to look himself up on the internet with a google search. Perhaps the search wouldn't give him any leads, but it is a place to start.

Edit: Lol, didn't even notice that the above poster had mentioned the same idea as myself. Sorry unsure.gif
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (Merga @ Oct 23 2007, 10:32 AM) *
You don't need to be a detective to know that everything in that box was an orgy of clues. What more could you ask for? It was even overkill! Come on, Peter!

Hell, if I was in that situation, I would have been happy with a scrap of paper with my handwriting that said my name. Hell, he could have googled Petrelli and got loads of info on the election which would have helped him identify himself as Nathan's brother.

Anyone with me on this? That scene really insulted our intelligence.


Yes, it seriously did!

I was about to type that about Peter going on the net and googling Petrelli. But Caitlin is such a distraction he can't focus on common sense but to sex her up. tongue.gif
kitty
QUOTE (DaisyDiamonds @ Oct 22 2007, 07:36 PM) *
I don't know how many Petrelli brother fans are out there. Maybe I am like the 1 of a million who was upset about how they wrote Peter coming upon their "wedding" picture(the one where they wore tuxedos). He was desperate to find out more information he didn't even bother looking at the picture carefully and wonder, "Who is this person? Is he related to me? Could he be important to me? Can he help me remember my past?" Or whatever, ya know? INSTEAD he was like, "God...nothing in here is helpful!"


I'm a big Petrelli brothers fan, but just because the picture was there, doesn't mean it gave him answers. I bet you a million questions went through his head, he just didn't voice them

QUOTE (DaisyDiamonds @ Oct 22 2007, 07:36 PM) *
I just hope when he regains his memory...he finally remembers somebody in NY loves him more than Caitlin EVER WILL!


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ordinaryhero
I'm a big brotherly love fan too...I hope he recognizes Nathan soon. Or when they meet each other it's not like "ummm sorry who are you?" I want a tearful reunion dammit!
aulduron
How many guys carry a picture of themself and their brother around? I'm pretty close with my brother, but I don't think any picture of him and I together as adults even exists.
Merga
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 23 2007, 02:02 PM) *
How many guys carry a picture of themself and their brother around? I'm pretty close with my brother, but I don't think any picture of him and I together as adults even exists.


I think the question I asked myself, is who carries around a fancy little box that doesn't lock for their personal effects? I would have stuffed all that stuff in my wallet. I don't think Peter prepared that box.

QUOTE (Yogo @ Oct 23 2007, 01:48 PM) *
In this age of technology, I was wondering why Peter didn't try to look himself up on the internet with a google search. Perhaps the search wouldn't give him any leads, but it is a place to start.

Edit: Lol, didn't even notice that the above poster had mentioned the same idea as myself. Sorry unsure.gif


Great minds think alike! (But so do mediocre ones ... but don't tell anyone!)
darkcreole
The way i looked at the scene was this.

He finally saw the stuff in the box and was upset that nothing there jogged a memory. He said something to the effect of questioning why none of that means anything to him and what does it all mean. Then THAT triggered the precog ability to lead him to where he needs to go. Basically, a new save the cheerleader deal. Now, instead of using the painting to save the cheerleader, he's saving himself.
Merga
I still call out this scene as being extremely poorly thought out. Any person with an IQ greater than that of an amoeba would have realized that a full name, city of residence, tickets to a particular destination and a picture is a ridiculously easy bunch of leads to investigate on. Peter shouldn't have been frustrated, he should have been intrigued and excited. I don't buy this scene at all. I'll say it again: the writers take us for idiots if they expect us to suspend our disbelief for this kind of stuff.

I'm going to need to pretend this scene didn't happen to be happy with this storyline.
darkcreole
Remember, this fits with how Peter normally is. He gets faced with a disappointment or challenge and he gets upset, frustrated, scared, and doesn't think straight. Yeah, this season he had some whoop azz moments, but his core demeanor will probably not change. Plus, like I said after reading a previous post, the time between him getting initially upset and then painting the picture was really brief to the point where he got distracted b/c he started to see an image form on the canvas.

Besides, they had to do something with all those opaque lenses they bought last season.
Merga
I think part of my problem (maybe some of you feel the same way) is that I think I begin to KNOW a character as if they were a real person not being controlled like a puppet by the writers. You are willing bet they will react a certain way and if they don't, you freak.

I'll just have to see how they follow up on this situation. Hell, they might totally redeem themselves like the time Lloyd trades in Harry's van for a little mo-ped (totally obscure reference).
ruppan
Peter's whole storyline has been a ball of frustration for me this season. Nothing he does or says makes any sense. It's like he lost his commonsense with his memories.

The information that was provided in the box should have solved everything he needed to know within 2 minutes. As soon as he got his name, he should have googled himself. At the very least, he would have found out about his brother who is probably all over the news for stepping down from office and becoming a public drunk. That probably would have taken 2 minutes. He could have then called his brother and lost brother/amnesia problem solved. But no, we are 'treated' to this Caitlin/Peter storyline that gets more frustrating every minute.

Personally, the Peter storyline has dragged the whole show down for me. In Season 1, I never really cared about all the other bad stories, i.e. the entire Sanders family, because the main story of Heroes, the Petrelli family, kicked so much ****** With Peter's story so poorly written in Season 2, I have fewer distractions from the other bad stories, i.e. Mohinder's idiocy.

Here's hoping Caitlin dies soon and Peter gets about being a hero again.
Merga
I think the ONLY really interesting thing we learned in this arc is where Peter got his electrical power from. I'm looking forward to finding out exactly how he did that. Before the amnesia? During? Is his power that strong? I have lots of questions on that.
tash
Maybe haitian took his memory, and it wont return. That would stink though. I think Elle could be claires biological mom's sister. So... Claires Aunt. She was always running away/traveling. Just some thoughts.
Quinten
QUOTE (wski440 @ Oct 23 2007, 05:40 AM) *
~Merman
The things in the box were probably put there by someone would could see in the future so that Peter would end up in Canada, and then he got his mind wiped. Im sure it will be answered in '4 months earlier'


Well, I called this one a few weeks back...it happens every now and then that I am actually right about some things. tongue.gif

I had speculated that we'd see that exact picture in the box, it was the same picture that Angela was handeling when she was rummaging through Peter's stuff in his apartment in 4 Months Later. While there are probably several copies of this picture (I think we saw last week that Nathan has a copy of it too), it does lend a lot of credit to the theory that Angela knows Peter is alive and is the one who sent him these items.




My wonderfully accurate post smile.gif
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (Merga @ Oct 23 2007, 11:56 AM) *
I think part of my problem (maybe some of you feel the same way) is that I think I begin to KNOW a character as if they were a real person not being controlled like a puppet by the writers. You are willing bet they will react a certain way and if they don't, you freak.



You described what I felt so well.Lol.

I mean he took the picture with him when he was going away with Claude, and attempted to leave NY with Claire. SO I really expected a "who is this person and how important is he to me" scene when he came upon the picture instead of "i don't know who the hell he is..." and flipped it away!

Are the Irish too cheap to afford a computer so that is why both of them didn't think of google.com?Lmao. I mean they did try to steal IPods and all.
iheartbrothers
Big Petrelli brothers fan here!

First of all, I was extremely frustrated by that scene too. Any normal person with amnesia would stare at the picture trying to remember who they are. Also, they would google themselves and then start making phone calls. But since he's doing none of those things, I have to assume that the writers either think we're stupid and just want to drag this thing out or Peter himself is suffering from self-induced amnesia which makes him reluctant to spend any time thinking about his past. I want to go with the self-induced amnesia because Peter obviously went through some very traumatic things when he exploded. He may have seen Nathan's burned body thinking he was dead and just wanted to forget. Whatever the trauma was, Peter subconciously doesn't want to remember. That would make sense with him throwing the picture down and not giving it any thought.

Please let Nathan find Peter like yesterday!
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (iheartbrothers @ Oct 23 2007, 12:26 PM) *
Big Petrelli brothers fan here!

First of all, I was extremely frustrated by that scene too. Any normal person with amnesia would stare at the picture trying to remember who they are. Also, they would google themselves and then start making phone calls. But since he's doing none of those things, I have to assume that the writers either think we're stupid and just want to drag this thing out or Peter himself is suffering from self-induced amnesia which makes him reluctant to spend any time thinking about his past. I want to go with the self-induced amnesia because Peter obviously went through some very traumatic things when he exploded. He may have seen Nathan's burned body thinking he was dead and just wanted to forget. Whatever the trauma was, Peter subconciously doesn't want to remember. That would make sense with him throwing the picture down and not giving it any thought.

Please let Nathan find Peter like yesterday!



Fair enough.

I wonder how Nathan survived. Why Peter got amnesia. When they will have that long awaited reunion! Dragging it out til Ep 8 is just too long. sad.gif No more West and Claire*Throws Tantrum* laugh.gif
Merga
QUOTE (DaisyDiamonds @ Oct 23 2007, 03:25 PM) *
You described what I felt so well.Lol.

I mean he took the picture with him when he was going away with Claude, and attempted to leave NY with Claire. SO I really expected a "who is this person and how important is he to me" scene when he came upon the picture instead of "i don't know who the hell he is..." and flipped it away!

Are the Irish too cheap to afford a computer so that is why both of them didn't think of google.com?Lmao. I mean they did try to steal IPods and all.


laugh.gif Too cheap to afford a computer. Lol. Good one! Also coming from a gang of thieves that were accusing a half naked man chained up in an empty shipping container of stealing their said Ipods. Hilarious!
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (Merga @ Oct 23 2007, 12:32 PM) *
laugh.gif Too cheap to afford a computer. Lol. Good one! Also coming from a gang of thieves that were accusing a half naked man chained up in an empty shipping container of stealing their said Ipods. Hilarious!



Yeah, I hope they are not that idiotic in real life.Jk. It's cool...Irish peeps we still love ya I guess. tongue.gif

I wonder what is in Montreal and why the hell did Caitlin have to go? She can afford a plane ticket but can't pay (how much?) to go to an internet place and google Petrelli.
kiblerfaeri
I'm just looking forward to anything... anything!.. that will bring Peter back to where the action is (and by 'action' I don't mean hanky-panky with whats-her-face).

Is it a little weird that he's become SOOO much more caught up in Caitlin than in trying to find out who he is? I was so hoping that maybe the picture would have sparked something, even if just causing him a second look. Especially considering it was a special photo to both Peter and Nathan.

As for Googling "Petrelli", in their defense, they didn't really have time for that, what with Peter painting the future and Ricky getting fried. I sure hope it'll eventually occur to him though!
VentiDeMilo
Wow, I was right, many of you are waaaaaay over reacted about the whole thing.

Google himself? Try google your name and see if you can find anything about you. And you should remember that he did NOT know that Nathan was a politician/famous.

As I mentioned it before, the whole thing came very quick. I don't think he had time to absorb in the information yet. He looked at the whole thing, had no idea what they were, got frustrated and his "future vision" came right away. Come on, don't tell me you won't get distracted if all of a sudden, you could see something so vividly on a white board.
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (VentiDeMilo @ Oct 23 2007, 07:24 PM) *
Wow, I was right, many of you are waaaaaay over reacted about the whole thing.

Google himself? Try google your name and see if you can find anything about you. And you should remember that he did NOT know that Nathan was a politician/famous.

As I mentioned it before, the whole thing came very quick. I don't think he had time to absorb in the information yet. He looked at the whole thing, had no idea what they were, got frustrated and his "future vision" came right away. Come on, don't tell me you won't get distracted if all of a sudden, you could see something so vividly on a white board.



Yeah, so it is bad writing. They couldn't give him time to process all that info in the box? Like always they jump to another thing...the painting board! blink.gif
They could have written in a way that he did appreciate what he had left that was in the box! The writers are always eager to jump to other tasks for a character! That Caitlin wasn't much help especially! Busy freaking out about his "dead eyes" like she was afraid he wouldn't be good in bed anymore.Lol.
She could have been like, "Maybe he's a relative/family member we should do some investigating! We already know your full name, where you lived, and we have your passport." Anything BUT her whining and makeout sessions with Peter!UGH!
VentiDeMilo
Oh, I forgot to add one more thing...

I know Nathan/Peter had a great relationship.. I like to see them together as well, but come on, give the show a break. It's been...what? 5? and so many people are already b!tching about them not reunited. People, it's only the 5th episode! So what's next if they reunited in, say, ep 3? Just keep showing them talking to each other? And then what?

Do you really want to see Peter being needy again, like season 1? Some of you will then be b!tching again that Peter's so needy blah blah blah.

These characters need to branch out to create different story lines. Peter needs to be away from the people he knows in order for him to learn about himself, and finally GROW UP.

Even in the future when Peter/Nathan are united, my prediction is that it will NOT be like before, Peter needing Nathan in every way. (then I know some will still ****** about this and that, lol)

When Peter has his memory back, my guess is that he will finally grow up and take charge of his life and be a man.
Dunc
QUOTE (EdensDemise @ Oct 23 2007, 03:03 PM) *
Who says he wasn't wondering?

What was he suppose to do just sit there and stare at it all day. He doesn't know who it is. Can you imagine how frustrating that would be?

To him that is just a picture of himself, a himself he doesn't remember and some guy. Sure it could be someone close to him. Sure it could be someone he is related to. But what good does that do him to pine away at a picture?

It's not as if he can go trotting around the world hoping he see's this guy from the picture. I'm sure he knows all very well that there are many people out there that could mean something to him. He may have just gotten a glimpse of one, but it still means nothing to him.

He is lost. I think the writers have done an excellent job at portraying that.

He could start by visiting New York and looking up every Petrelli in the phone book. Just a thought. He has the resources to get every answer he wants. Well, the answers that will start him on his way to full memory recovery.

QUOTE (Merga @ Oct 23 2007, 06:32 PM) *
You don't need to be a detective to know that everything in that box was an orgy of clues. What more could you ask for? It was even overkill! Come on, Peter!

Hell, if I was in that situation, I would have been happy with a scrap of paper with my handwriting that said my name. Hell, he could have googled Petrelli and got loads of info on the election which would have helped him identify himself as Nathan's brother.

Anyone with me on this? That scene really insulted our intelligence.

I'm with you, but I think it insulted Peter's intelligence, not ours.

QUOTE (Merga @ Oct 23 2007, 07:56 PM) *
I'll just have to see how they follow up on this situation. Hell, they might totally redeem themselves like the time Lloyd trades in Harry's van for a little mo-ped (totally obscure reference).

I don't think Dumb & Dumber references are as obscure as you think.
highflyingempath
I think Peter's coming on fine. Remember, he's an empath. With him it's all about feelings. Yes, there's plenty of facts about him from the box, but nothing to explain why he's there or where his powers came from, hence why he feels frustrated and need to pull one of his powers out of the box.

There was a bit of a theme with both Peter and Monica this episode. They both seem to be at the whim of their powers. I guess this is a theme common to Hiro, Isaac and maybe Niki/Jessica. The powers are guiding them, controlling them. They're almost just along for the ride.

There was definitely a theme of desperation and being out of control through the whole episode.

Ed
darkcreole
I'm surprised at something now that I read this thread again. Instead of being so "oh my goodness, why didn't he google himself?" Well, regular people don't google themselves on a regular basis. Plus, you miss the point that he discovered his precog ability when he was the most frustrated and questioned why there wasn't anything in the box to tell him who he is.

The fact is, the stuff in the box DID tell him, indirectly who he is by triggering his precog. At least we should be glad that he's on the way from Ireland and about to start on his trek to find out about himself.
Dunc
QUOTE (darkcreole @ Oct 24 2007, 02:46 PM) *
I'm surprised at something now that I read this thread again. Instead of being so "oh my goodness, why didn't he google himself?" Well, regular people don't google themselves on a regular basis.

Probably because regular people don't have amnesia on a regular basis.
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (Dunc @ Oct 24 2007, 12:35 PM) *
Probably because regular people don't have amnesia on a regular basis.



regular people should have common sense on a regular basis.lol. does amnesia make you lose all common sense as well?
Ingtar
Does Peter even remember what Google is?
DaisyDiamonds
QUOTE (Ingtar @ Oct 24 2007, 02:06 PM) *
Does Peter even remember what Google is?


well from watching a few shows here and there...people don't lose memory of everything that exists in reality. i think generally they lose who they are, who people are, some past and present,etc...but not simple things like what football, ipods, and google is, i strongly suppose!
fernajen
The way I see it is the only reason he looked in the box in the first place is because he found out someone was looking for him and he wanted to know why. I think the thing is; Peter is still not sure that he wants to know who he was. I think the incident with Will really made him scared of who he might have been. So until he is really driven to find out who he not going to put his whole heart into finding out who he is. Yeah he is going to look, and from next week's preview it looks like he going to follow the painting to Montreal. And I'm pretty sure that he realizes that there is a chance that he might not find anything about him there, which I think makes it appealing option to him. But while he is torn about the idea of knowing who he is, calling everyone with the last name Petrelli or googling himself isn't likely to happen because he is going to accidentally on purpose not 'think' to do that. In other words he going to move towards finding out who he is but when he can he is going to avoid it.
Dunc
QUOTE (DaisyDiamonds @ Oct 24 2007, 09:58 PM) *
regular people should have common sense on a regular basis.lol. does amnesia make you lose all common sense as well?

What are you quoting me for? We're making the same point - he should've been doing a search. And to whoever said he might forget Google, amnesia is funny that way. If he forgets everything, how come he still knows English?
Dunc
I was thinking about this again, all he said after seeing the photo was "None of this tells me who I am, or what I've got to do" (and it was said in more of a 'matter of fact' way than I think people may remember.
He's more than just a name and a location, so he still doesn't know who he is, and it doesn't tell him what he's got to do because he feels the biggest mystery about his life is his apparent uncontrollable power, not a family reunion.

EDIT: Sorry - didn't intend to double post.
TIMEPIECES
A little flash would have been nice, but discarding the picture that easy was so stupid on the part of the writers.
If he had got a tiny flashback it could have been a very good way to let him remember he can fly.
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