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idallia
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Justin
I'll just say it one more time: Killing and reviving HRG was a cliche, comic book inspired move, and it was utterly and unbelievably "safe." And that, in a word is my entire problem with this whole season... "safe." The fact that it parallels first season so much, a useless event seeing as how it doesn't have the novelty of first season is just a side issue.

That said, it was an okay episode. But aside from the budget, this could have easily been an episode of 4400. There were some good moments, yes, but there's nothing award winning here.
Alordo
Great episode. Nice twists and turns. Reviving HRG aside, killing him was really big. Yep, I still love this show. I think it's time for others to find a new one or something else to do at whatever time the show airs in their neck of the woods. They certainly aren't enjoying it anymore.
madmab
Although a cop out I had no problem with them reviving HRG. It only made sense. If they didn't people be asking why didn't they use Claire's blood?

Regardless it didn't negate the impact of his decision to just give into fate.

I really liked this episode. But Hiro wanting revenge on the guy who killed his father, whom he stole a woman from? Now comeon..
AlterEgo
Although I'm glad they used Claire's blood to save HRG, wasn't it intended for Niki? Why would they go through all that trouble of getting Claire and her blood, only to use it on Noah? huh.gif Maybe I missed something rolleyes.gif
yippeeyayay
QUOTE (AlterEgo @ Nov 19 2007, 10:48 PM) *
Although I'm glad they used Claire's blood to save HRG, wasn't it intended for Niki? Why would they go through all that trouble of getting Claire and her blood, only to use it on Noah? huh.gif Maybe I missed something rolleyes.gif



this whole blood thing is confusing me too. i'm sure if claire finds out her blood revived hrg, she's more than willing to save niki... so if bob really had intentions in saving niki he would tell that to claire + bring hrg to her.. but why give mohinder the gun to shoot hrg, if bob was going to use claire's blood to revive him... the writers are confusing me...

plus, if they had adam ages ago, why couldn't htey use his blood to save that chick that worked with hrg and got killed by sylar in season 1?
Manmandiran
QUOTE (yippeeyayay @ Nov 20 2007, 10:58 AM) *
the writers are confusing me...


Nope.
My guess is that Elle has cured HRG so he tells her more about her past, her dad and her lost memories.
Bob wouldn't have any reason for doing so. And Mohinder is... well Mohinder is just a punching ball, and a traitor, what could you expect from him?
isitmondayyet?
i've been pretty down on the past few eps, but this one turned it around for me. heck, i even liked West's role

poor Sandra. she continues to be the one innocent character on the show

my one problem was with Noah's ressurection ... until i realized that Bob (and/or Elle) probably brought him back just to torture ohmy.gif creeeeeepy
Taven
QUOTE (Manmandiran @ Nov 20 2007, 02:24 AM) *
And Mohinder is... well Mohinder is just a punching ball, and a traitor, what could you expect from him?


Actually of all the people who will revive HRG, Mohinder is the one making the most sense. Moh is supposed to be the goody two shoes, even if he is a clueless twit. Letting him be the one who revives HRG would be the perfect way to redeem his character.
Sheindie
QUOTE (Manmandiran @ Nov 20 2007, 05:24 AM) *
Nope.
My guess is that Elle has cured HRG so he tells her more about her past, her dad and her lost memories.
Bob wouldn't have any reason for doing so. And Mohinder is... well Mohinder is just a punching ball, and a traitor, what could you expect from him?


Elle doesn't have cure-able blood..Claire and Adam do..AND, let's say Mohinder and HRG are still working together to take down the co., and HRG had put on an act where he was going to shoot Mo so Mo would be forced to shoot HRG...and THEN the vial of Claire's blood went to save HRG since Mo did it for his partner HRG... and BOB thinks Mohinder is on Bob's side .. any thoughts?
amerigirl
QUOTE (AlterEgo @ Nov 20 2007, 12:48 AM) *
Although I'm glad they used Claire's blood to save HRG, wasn't it intended for Niki? Why would they go through all that trouble of getting Claire and her blood, only to use it on Noah? huh.gif Maybe I missed something rolleyes.gif



Since the company wanted HRG dead and they got what they wanted(claire's blood) then wouldn't you think that maybe someone else revived HRG. Someone that was an enemy of the company?
AlterEgo
QUOTE (amerigirl @ Nov 20 2007, 11:01 AM) *
Since the company wanted HRG dead and they got what they wanted(claire's blood) then wouldn't you think that maybe someone else revived HRG. Someone that was an enemy of the company?

Someone like Adam maybe?
JonnyC
Is there something to suggest that they had to use all of Claire's blood to revive Noah? It only took a few drops of Adam's blood in Nathan's IV to revive him.

Mohinder knew they'd be able to use Claire's blood to revive Noah. They shot Claire last season on almost the same premise. Plus, he knew Claire's blood could heal people.

Don't get me wrong, I'll never forgive Mohinder for tasing my girlfriend... laugh.gif

Oh, I forgot Niki took off w/o getting cured... man she's nuts.
Alordo
What if it was Adam's blood and not Claire's? Adam was hiding somewhere, saw them kill off HRG, and now he can get HRG on his side.
Niwdog
QUOTE (Alordo @ Nov 20 2007, 02:54 PM) *
What if it was Adam's blood and not Claire's? Adam was hiding somewhere, saw them kill off HRG, and now he can get HRG on his side.


I like the Adam theory, but to those who don't think it's plausible that Bob did it - why not?
This is a show about real people with real human emotions you know? It's not complete Sci-Fi. As Evil as Bob may appear to be he has a heart, and if you looked at his face when he saw Noah get shot, you would have seen the regret, pity and remourse in his face. Bob set out to Costa Verda to have Noah killed, but after getting the job done, he may have realized he made a big mistake, and went back on it, by resurrecting Noah. Of course in the Grand Scheme of things, he'll need to do something with Noah, like use him somehow, but Noah was 1 of the Company's Best Agents, and there's always a way to turn him around.

About the whole: "Why didn't they use Adam's Blood thing?" I've heard it 100 times over and over again, about how the Company could have used Adam's Blood to resurrect their Dead Agents like Eden, but there is a very simple, obvious, resonable explanation. It's obvious Adam terrifies "The 12" to the core. Why would they risk him escaping to get some blood off him just to revive some next Company Agents far down in Lower Ranks. In "4 Months Ago" you can tell Adam has been isolated for a very long time, as if he was just thrown in there and left there to rot. They probably send his food through a letterbox. They can't risk or have him escaping, their that scared of him.

It is also possible Elle did it. I like that idea. She's a very interesting character.
infocassie
I hope that it was Mohinder that revived HRG, but I doubt it. I'm really curious about what HRG's role is going to be in the next couple episodes, especially considering the whole bring down the company campaign that Adam and Peter are on, I wish HRG could fit into that but I don't think it's likely.

If I could change anything about this episode, I would have had Niki take charge, travel to Costa Verde herself, rip off one of Claire's arms and be done with it. I hate that Niki just left the company, it's like she's giving up on being cured. FIGHT THE FUTURE NIKI!
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