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Man this episode was a whole lot of nothing. Wow they build this one up and let it lie. Last episode was great, this one sucks.

I doubt the episode can redeem itself in 5 minutes. I could be wrong. but 1 out of 5 from me.

Yeah I was right,well next week looks awesome.

A great episode. As good as last week and fills in the missing pieces.

It was OK. I thought it started off like ten times as epic as it ended.

It did answer some questions but they could have handled it better. Do we really need to know the backstory of Maya and Alejandro? I mean they had pretty much already implied what the problem was and why they were on the run. I never found myself wondering precisely how it started off for them. I mean with Ted Sprague they never went back and showed us when and where precisely he found his powers. We don't really need to see that; we just need to see the consequences of it.

The episode told us everything we needed to know. How D.L died, how Nathan got rid of his scars. How Peter got in that crate. In my opinion, top notch classic Heroes for us all.

I would say 3 1/2, but since that isn't an option, I'm rounding it up to 4. Not nearly as awesome as the previous episode IMO, but it did do a good job of providing backstory as to what happened before the Season 2 Premiere.

It didn't tell us how Matt and Mohinder ended up with Molly, and how Matt didn't die. my gosh, this was the worst episode this season, there was nothing there, and everything felt too forced, contrived, and rushed imho.

I usually hate the twins plot, but I liked seeing exactly what set off their powers for the first rime. We saw that in the first season with the main characters too (Ted was not a main character which is why we never saw his beginnings.)



Now I will agree it didn't show us how Matt didn't die, but we already saw Mohinder and Matt with Molly.

I don't know what you were watching, but I saw ep. 8 of Heroes and thought it was awesome. An easy "5" from me. I can't help wondering how this season would have worked if they started it off with this episode. Still a few questions need some answers : how come nobody knows about the explosion, and what exactly is Angela's power?

I gotta be honest, I was quite dissapointed.

A lot of it predictable, didnt even cover everything (Sylar and a few others for example) and didnt really make me look all that forward to next weeks episode.

I guess atleast that one is over now and we can build up to a finale, but yeh I thought it was a step back compared to the last 2 which were starting to build back to the great Heroes of old.

2/5 from me.

Bingo! The episode started with a bang then WHAMO! Venezualian cold shower. We already knew about the twins and what had happened. They could have done so much more.

3/5 - and I'm being generous.

Next week looks primed for a comeback though.

So yeah, I think that she has a power similar to Eden's power, this is the second time she managed to "hypnotize"(for lack of a better word) when she touches someone.

Yeah watched the same one you did. Thought it sucked. Thought it was the worst episode of the season.

I don't know that we're allowed to debate in this thread.

I gave it a 4/5

Great filler episode.. but not a whole lot happened... i dunno...

Good for answering questions, but not as good as last years 6 months ago.


Also, they said Sylar would be in the episode based off the preview.. So i was quite disappointed. Also, where was Matt and his divorce and 5 gunshot wounds?

I've loved this season so far, but I think this is one of the worst episodes of Heroes I've ever seen...

Yes, it answered a lot of the questions, but most of them were answered in a lackluster manner and time was wasted on stuff I didn't really care about. They shouldn't have shown Maya/Alejandro at all and instead focused on what happened with Sylar and perhaps have one scene with Matt finding out that the baby wasn't his. Also, D.L.'s death was just lame imo...

I don't know, I guess last week's episode was so great that it was really hard to follow it up.

I say 2/5

Told us the hard details of the things we actually needed to know.

And of course we got more Elle and her kinky ability so I'm so satisfied.

3/5

Would have gave it a four but they for some godforsaken reason introduced more of that split personality bull****, that and the fact that DL survived getting shot..just to die getting shot, I was really hoping it would be the virus so they could give a chance to see how the infection works.

I don't really have much to say..
If anything at all.

3/5 makes it better than most this season.

we now have questions with no answers:

dl decides not to phase a bullet because...?
sylar got to mexico how now? was he on the drug?
how does NY not see a huge explosion in the sky? oh wait, MIB2 covered that...a flashy thing in the statue of liberty, right, my bad.
how come the ipods weren't in the container to begin with? ppfftt

They answered this one in the first season when Niki was shooting at him, he has to be making a conscience effort for it to work,.



I guess everyone expects something different because I was overall quite happy with the episode.

I am begining to wonder about the Wonder Twins. I mean 8 episodes and it's more of a reality show about their trek accross the country instead of finding out how they fit into to the sceme of things. I was seriously looking for Niki/Jessica/or even the third personality to take care of the guy who killed D.L.

The way they killed him was totally lame. I was hoping if he had to go was saving a life and not a victim of random violence. Even the virus would have been a great tie in as a motivation for Niki to find a cure.

And I don't look to the commercials any more to give us an idea of the episode bec. they said what happened to Sylar, well what happened to Matt and his wife is more important than already knowing Mya and Migel are on the run.

You can see the message board postings are getting fewer than last season. So any rules of anyone on this board won't matter if the show gets canceled. So I be more worried about the show esp. with a writers strike. Internet news had fears of many shows not finishing up the season.

this is the first episode of heroes that i actually was watching the clock thinking when will this end. i felt i watched more comercials than the show as well which is strange. i would have liked to see more of adam and peter talking to see what adam told him. the maya and bro story is just getting old and i am ready for sylar to take over that.

Dropping or not, NBC has NOTHING else, so hey won't replace it yet.

True but one station in particular "The CW" has UGH! Reality Shows lined up for Mid-Season but may go ahead and use them if the strike goes on. I thought the networks would conserve their episodes just in case instead of continuing to show new episodes. I guess they have faith the problem will be resolved or they have a back-up plan. The last writers strike lasted almost 5 months

It was a good episode. It didn't answer everyone's questions on their favorite character, but it did let us see what happened to get us to the point we were at. I think it could have been a little earlier, but it still didn't do that bad.

It was a solid episode. The mistake that the writers/producers made was putting this episode in episode 8 instead of episode 1. People already have the time to form their own theory by now so the episode comes across more like confirmation than anything surprising.

I like this episode because...

lots of Peter
no Claire
no Hiro
no Sylar, bonus point

so, ya, I like it. Looks like it's all about Claire AGAIN next week, yuck.

Horrible episode. A waste of good potential.

The device used to "travel back in time" was good.

But they only told us things we already knew: Niki is crazy. DL is dead. Adam was locked away, but escaped. Peter was put in a crate by The Haitian. Elle is a sadist. Micah's cousin is ******.

The only "reveals" were Nathan's recovery and specifically how Peter winded up in the crate. The recovery was important because Claire and Adam's blood are obviously the cure for the Shanti Virus.

And then there was the Maya story, which added nothing. Nothing! We already knew she killed people. She does that every freakin' episode she's in. She cries, people die, she cries more, her brother calms her down. Big deal.

All this nonsense took away from the time we could have seen what Bennet, Mohinder, Matt and Sylar were doing. Why was Sylar with Candice? What was going on there? How'd the Bennet's up and leave Odessa? What did Matt do after Kirby Plaza? How'd he end things with Janice? How'd Mohinder and Bennet join forces?

And of course, it would have been nice to touch on Ando a bit, specifically to get some more Kaito screentime. Takei is awesome.

I'm starting to think, though, that the writers have no idea what Kaito and Angela's powers are. They need to stop striking and get to writing. We only have three episodes left, so they better deliver some goods. Last episode was good. This one was pointless with a ton of wasted potential.

Major disappointment.

Not sure why they asterisked my word up there, but the word was re-tard-ed, nothing obscene. Don't want people getting the wrong idea.

I give it four of five. I dock a point because my expectations were set really high and it didn't quite live up to them, but it was still a good episode that for the most part answered all the questions we needed to see.

My low points were a rather shoddy explanation for Peter and Adam's escape, as I'd figure their security would be higher on Peter knowing his powers and also how easy it is to simply fake taking some pills. I also found it suspect as to why DL wouldn't turn his phasing ability on immediately when that guy showed up again. There was obviously going to be trouble.

I also agree that the Maya/Alejandro stuff wasn't imperative to see. They probably should've replaced this with scenes of Matt recovering in the hospital, leaving his wife and getting guardianship of Molly with Mohinder. Granted those things weren't imperative to see either, but they included much more popular characters.

The plus's however: Nathan intending to die in an honorable fashion; Peter saving his life; Adam's blood healing Nathan (this should prove to be big later), Angela's spin on the Nathan's injuries (I hate what she did but its good to know the bulk of how Nathan lost everything), and I really like this idea of using the regeneration to repair Peter's mind. They're really paying off teaching us the full extents of this ability since they first teasted it at the beginning of the season with Claire wanting to know her limits. Nathan serving as the doorway for Peter to remember I thought was touching as well.

I'm glad this episode was HRG/Claire-less for one. I had no desire to watch them move from Texas to California.

that is a good point existence, I agree with you whole-heartedly. this would have been a much better episode for ep1 of the season

I wasn't at all wowed by this episode. It was okay. Not horrible, not great.

They absolutely didn't need to include Maya and Alejandro's story. I mean they didn't give us ANYTHING new about them besides the fact that Alejandro was shortly married to a whore.

AND, DL's death was uber lame. I'm really glad that they showed what a great person he was, but to kill him off the way they did was bad.

Oh totally. This episode was good, there's no doubt about it. But this should have been the season premiere. If they had shown this first, they don't have to show Maya/Alejandro doing their crying/black oil thing repeatedly throughout the course of the story. They can cut down on people trying to guess around (and become unhappy when their guess turns out to be wrong).

I absoloutley hated it. I thought it was horrible. And, you know, I've never "hated" an episode of Heroes before. Before tonight, I would have never put the words 'hate' and 'Heroes' in the same sentence. But this episode was anticlimatic, for one, and seemed to play favourites with the Petrelli's and Niki/Jessica/Gina, DL, and Micah and The Company. No Matt. No Mohinder. No Molly. No Ando. No Kaito. No Bennets. No Candace. NO Sylar. Hardly any Monica. This one just didn't do it for me.


And all I've got to say, is the next 3 episodes better make up for months of waiting. They'll have to be good if I'm going to come back to watch Heroes after the strike is over.

Er, we didn't see any M&M&M, the Bennets, and Sylar because we already know what happened to them in the past few months. If they'd shown Matt divorcing his wife, for example, I bet there would be people would b*** about what a waste of time it was to show stuff they already knew. And what's the point of showing the Bennets moving from Texas to Cali?

This episode was not as good as last weeks episode. Im a little dissapointed , but still looking forward to next week. I sure hope Alejandro and Maya die soon ... all they do is kill the momentum of the show when we get to their story.

I don't see why it is so hard for other people to get that. Their plots have all been explained through dialogue, this episode was hitting all the plots left out of dialogue.

I have the shows downloaded and have watched them multiple times, maybe other people just forget the dialogue parts of the missing for months for the characters you mentioned.

I agree, I think this episode is great. I like how they do the flashback after Nathan and Peter took off and the resulting situation that came out of it. As I suspected, the company wanted to bag and tag Peter for being a danger to the world. It must be scary for Peter to be captured at such unfortunate moment when he himself is worried sick about his brother.

The only parts that probably wasn't necessary was the twins and Elle's part. Maybe they should have shown this back in the first episode like some people suggested and make it a two-parter while they're at it. Then it would have more impact. Once we got the first 2 episodes, they should jump right to the point where Sylar escapes from Candace and the twins meet Sylar on the road. And let things kick off from there.

Imagine thinking that Kensei is good in the present (because he healed Nathan) and he looks like a good guy too in the past (albeit a greedy one)...until the part where he betrayed Hiro. Then you start to wonder about his motive in the present day. It would have made the season stronger and inter-connected.

So in essence it'd go like:

ep. 1: Four Months Ago pt.1 - featuring Peter, Nathan, Niki, DL, present-day Kensei, the twins, Monica, Elle, Bob.
ep. 2: Four Months Ago pt.2 - featuring Matt & Mohinder adopting Molly, Bennet and Claire moving to California, how Sylar got dragged into the sewer, Hiro + historical Kensei
ep. 3: Four Months Later - complete with drunk Nathan, Peter in Ireland, Sylar waking up next to Candace, the mysterious murder of Kaito, etc.
ep. 4: The Kindness of Stranger - Niki leaving Micah to Monica, Sylar meeting the twins on the road, Angela getting attacked, Bennet going on his investigation.
ep. 5: same as current episode 5
ep. 6: same as current episode 6
ep. 7: same as current episode 7

I don't think we buy that argument because of the fact that we already knew:

DL is dead. (The details were pointless. You killed a ma, who could phase, with a gunshot, only to bring him back and kill him again with a gunshot) His death only served to show how Niki is crazy and feels guilty.

Niki is crazy. Duh.

Niki feels guilty. Again, duh. Along with being crazy, this is her only characterization.

Maya cries, people die, Alejandro calms her. Have they done anything else yet?

You can't say there's no reason to show Matt, Molly, Ando, The Bennets, Mohinder, Sylar, Candice or Kaito because "we already know what happened to them" and then spend 30 minutes on stuff we already know about characters who are farthest from the center plot and who people don't even care for much.

I agree totally with Driving. Hated it. Partly because my expectations were high, and secondly because they did it so horribly wrong.

For my money, this episode deliver the job it's supposed to be doing, which is delivering background information about some of the characters' fate a few months ago. I personally love the whole Nathan and Peter flying into the sky part. The FX was well executed and miles away from the cringe-worthy flying scene that belongs to West. The resulting consequence was also good with Peter got captured by the company and later on breaking with Kensei to heal Nathan.

What I'm not too sure is spending so much time in jail and in the company of crazy Elle. Instead of doing that, they could have Peter break free earlier. I also agree that we really don't need to see the twins' first breakout (har, har). Or rather, they should have shown that in the premiere so they don't have to show it again 3-4 times. DL and Niki felt repetitive but it's necessary to established how the family got to the point that they are now. I just wished they could have done a better job in establishing DL's death.

Despite that, I still think it's a good episode and much better than the early season episodes. And it fills in most of the gaps so that the story can move on to the next stage. 4/5

I gave it a 3 but really felt like a 2.5 but thats not an option. For me Elle made this episode worth watching.
I like her character, and the back drop of how she has been a prisioner more or less her whole life gives her a
different spin, plus she is much hotter then I had intially thought

Maybe because I don't watch TV besides Heroes or the things I do watched are small serials that I find it funny that people are like "They better do exactly want because I know the stories better than they do, or I will quit watching."

NOTHING is ever going to turn out like you want, sometimes better and sometimes worse, it is all in the eye of the beholder.

At the same time though, a message board is for pointless complaining, so it is expected here.

I enjoyed this episode,and feel like it answered questions that needed to be answered. It left us wanting more with the questions it left unanswered.

The slow parts of the episode for me involved Maya and Alejandro. I just can't get on board with those two, and I sit patiently through their scenes. The scene with Peter flying in to catch Nathan more than makes up for any M and A scenes. The look on Peter's face when he caught Nathan was so cool, and I was thinking "Oh heck yeah !"

Great episode overall

I loved this episode, there was a whole lot of Peter/Adam, Nathan, D.L./Niki action, so that was good. I voted 4/5 cause i think Peter should have stayed a little longer by Nathan's side when Adam forced him to come to leave the room =P Oh well, i would have easily given a 5/5 I'm not that harsh at the ratings, Heroes is good

Overall a good episode, 4/5. I thought the Petrelli storyline was great - the flying scene was done really well, as was the burn makeup. I loved how they used Nathan as the catalyst to get Peter to heal his brain and remember what happened. Angela's scenes in the hospital were really well done (she's such a talented actress - makes me love to hate her!) and the hint to her power in her scene with Heidi was interesting.

I like Kristin Bell's take on Elle - I hated her at first, now I'm starting to have that love-hate relationship with her as well. And David Anders is great as Adam - he's so charming and manipulative - makes it hard to tell exactly what his intentions are.

The DL/Nicki/Micah storyline was OK, I thought it was nice to see them together as a family again, but I thought DL's death was a little underwhelming. Sad that he got shot and almost died, only to get shot again and die. The Gina thing was an interesting twist, but I'm not sure it was necessary.

I'm glad we didn't see the Bennetts - no need to see them move from Odessa to CA, although I do love almost any scene with HRG, so it would've been nice to see how he & Mohinder started working together.

I would have liked to see M3 - find out what happened with Matt & Janice, how Matt was able to get custody of Molly, how they came to NY and live with Mohinder, etc. but I understand why they were left out.

I didn't mind seeing the backstory of the twins - I actually thought it was more interesting than most of their scenes this season, but I agree with everyone that this probably should have been addressed earlier in the season to avoid repetition. Even if they kept it within this episode, it may have been better if those scenes were cut a little shorter.

The biggest disappointment for me was that Sylar was not shown until present time - I would've liked to know how he lost his abilities - because I think that would give some insight to whether or not he will be able to regain them.

I love it any time they have Nathan and Peter in the same scene together so I was happy about the little we got tonight but overall I was disappointed in this episode.

They should never have spent 7 episodes on the boring twins just to go back four months and repeat what we've already seen a thousand times. DL's death was incredibly lame too. Also, too much time was spent on Elle groping Peter. I didn't enjoy that at all.

I give this episode a 2 only for the flying sequence at the beginning and Peter using his brother to heal his mind and remember everything. So sweet.

Honestly, this episode was epic, but not THAT epic. It got 4 backstories from me.

I think they could've minimized some Peter stuff. I was getting anxious watching all that Peter junk. I was like "ugh, stop the Peter and put in more characters T___T"



So true, their brotherly love was evident even as Nathan was in a coma.

This episode was average at best. It would have been better if this episode started the season. The Hiro-Kensei story still could have told cuz Hiro can time travel. He can be anywhere at anytime, so that story can be told at any time.

Then, we could have gotten introduced to Mya and her brother, Bob and Elle, Sylar and Candace and eventually Adam. In fact, the introduction of Adam could have been told the same time as when Hiro was in the past with Kensei. That would have been interesting - two story lines about the same character in two different time periods.

Instead, the show moved at snails pace for seven episodes, and only two were really top notch.
Are we ever going to find out what side Mrs. Petrelli is on or if she has a power?
"Lost" moves quicker than this show.

I guess that's why the ratings have plummetted and the critics have been ripping the second season. Too many characters. Too many arcs. Too many open-ended questions. And, it's too slow. If it was any slower, it would be going backwards. Oh wait, it did go backwards.

Talk about a sophomore slump. It's really disappointing. Kring got too big for his britches.

Man, even the comics are getting bad.

3/5. Good Bad Ugly time:

GOOD: Now we know what happened to Peter and Nathan after the explosion, and why Nathan keeps seeing a monster in the mirror. Kudos to the makeup guys. We FINALLY get to see Elle get some character development. And while the payoff was weak, we know what made Niki go to the company for help. Ali Larter again surprised me with her ability to change characters without changing wardrobe or makeup! We were never promised anything on Matt, Mohinder, or HRG, so their absence doesn't hurt...much.

BAD: Couple of glaring plot holes knocked me out of mode. I thought the Haitian was on the outs with the Company for helping HRG hide Claire. So how'd he get back in their good graces? Plus, you'd think the Company would keep an eye on what goes on in their cells. It's not state-funded prison, you can afford basic cameras! And yeah, Nathan's lack of beard to full fuzz in a couple of weeks is a bit crazy, but maybe it's a lingering effect of Adam's blood (and not just the producers still reeling over Adrian Pasdar's mad beard growing skills).

UGLY: To NBC - Hey, you promised Sylar? Where's Sylar? Geesh. Disconnect in the promo department ala LOST. You could have dumped the Wonderless Twins and gave us at least a glimpse of Candace yanking him into the sewer etc. Plus, I understand that DL had to die, but why show him phase-dodge a sucker punch and then minutes later get owned by a gunshot that was SO telegraphed? It would have been better if he'd been shot in the back or something.

I would have loved to give this a much higher score, but after last week's SWEET episode this one was more going through the motions. Without the element of surprise (we know Peter ends up in a box, Nathan is scarless, DL dies, etc), it didn't carry the same punch. The FX and Makeup work on the aftermath of the explosion were top notch, and Peter's story was the highlight of the episode as it should have been. The Sanders' storyline was good too, except for the cheap ending. We could have done without the twins though...their origin would have been fine as a graphic novel, but it ate up screen time that should have went to other main characters. They really need to go at the end of this volume, period. At least dump whiny brother Alejandro and let Maya get some control of her own.

Three more episodes left. *sigh* This season will end, and I think it will end on an exciting note. It's already obvious Kring et al have realized they made mistakes in this volume, so here's hoping they can fix it. With the writers on strike, they have time to go back and make Volume 3 the knockout we expected and didn't quite receive in Volume 2.

Mtalon, I too was annoyed at how easy Peter escaped. They had Sylar in a much better prison, and if Adam is some kind of evil threat from 30 years ago, why have him there too?

But, for The Haitian, I think it's explained away as being that he was only on the outs with Thompson and Linderman. He was working for Angela when he was working against The Company, and Angela is technically part of The Company. So is Bob, but Bob is against Linderman. I imagine that after Linderman was out of the picture, Angela and Bob got The Haitian back involved. I did find it odd though, and the real explanation is just "We needed a way to supress Peter's powers and we didn't want to make a new character with a Haitian repeat power." At this point, I'd say we need a Haitian-centric episode to see what his motivation is. He has too many loyalties: Bennet, Bob, Angela, Claire. Maybe he's just a merc..after all he's got nice, expensive clothes for a poor Haitian immigrant.

2 out of 5 from me. The Petrelli story was the only thing that kept this episode interesting. The way DL was killed was extremely disappointing. I could care less about the twins backstory. Too many questions were left unanswered.