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themightytruk
Hiro finally returns to the present and reunites with Ando. So glad to see them back together. I've been waiting for them to get back together. They make a great team.

It was a pretty happy reunion and awesome for Ando to see what Hiro has become. Loved the scene. But then Hiro hears about his father's death. I'm guessing Hiro will look into that and get involved with the main storyline from there.
Aerdna
I was so relieved. I was getting sick of Hiro being in Feudal Japan. It was so strange seeing him with glasses again, though...
CrewWolf
I loved Hiro's expression when Ando told him they'd saved the world! I don't think I've seen Hiro so near to bursting with glee and triumph since episode one, season one.
themightytruk
Yeah. I loved Hiro's reaction to hearing they saved the world.
boonskank
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Nov 5 2007, 09:56 PM) *
Yeah. I loved Hiro's reaction to hearing they saved the world.


what a buzzkill hearing that your father is dead RIGHT after that.

poor hiro. loses the girl AGAIN... then loses his dad.
themightytruk
Yeah. That's gotta stink. sad.gif I wonder how Hiro will react to finding out Kensei was responsible for Kaito's death.
boonskank
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Nov 5 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Yeah. That's gotta stink. sad.gif I wonder how Hiro will react to finding out Kensei was responsible for Kaito's death.


*"showdown" by the doobie brothers starts playing*

(Showdown
You better get ready
Showdown
I'm gonna shoot for the heart
Showdown
Put your cards on the table
We're heading for the showdown tonight)

go download the song, then play it while reading this post for the full effect.
IGotSuperPowers
I think Hiro needs a hug though sad.gif
URAINAH
It was so nice to see Hiro so excited to be back with Ando, and that they saved he world. And then the bad news about his dad sad.gif I was totally thinking, "Not for long!" and Hiro HiroSmiley.gif and goes back to save his Dad!
pngaou
It was great to see Hiro come back! I was watching it with a big crowd of people and everyone cheered when he got back. I wonder how he's going to react to his dad's death though.
Citizen
But why did he choose 4 months after the explosion?
fARSIGHT
QUOTE (Citizen @ Nov 6 2007, 08:55 PM) *
But why did he choose 4 months after the explosion?


He didn't, hence the "was I really gone for that long?"... He's got his teleportation and time-stopping thing down, but apparently he still needs some working on his aim when time travelling...
Marlique
QUOTE (Citizen @ Nov 7 2007, 01:55 AM) *
But why did he choose 4 months after the explosion?


QUOTE (fARSIGHT @ Nov 7 2007, 02:02 AM) *
He didn't, hence the "was I really gone for that long?"... He's got his teleportation and time-stopping thing down, but apparently he still needs some working on his aim when time travelling...


I think it's just a trick by the writers to make the story easier to film and understand.

Imagine if we had to watch Hiro's story in feudal Japan, and at the same time watch him back in present time after all his adventures. They logically should have made the whole first episode and a half about JUST Hiro in the past, and then have him back in present time so as not to show him in two different timelines at once. But they didn't because that would have been boring and they would have lost some viewers. They had to develop the other storylines as Hiro was back in time.

So, when he finally came back, he came back at the point where we were as viewers, and this cannot be explained by any intratextual rule (meaning any logic found within the show), it can only be explained by the limits of the medium they are using, television. Because realistically, Hiro would have indeed teleported back to the exact moment he left. Him not knowing at what moment he teleported back doesn't make sense, especially after seeing how much mastery he has gained over his power, judging from his ease at teleporting anywhere in feudal Japan (i.e. bringing Kensei to the angry Ronin at the right place and the right moment). But Heroes is a TV show, and this means that it is not only guided (or restricted) by the logic of its fictional universe, but also by production issues, marketing preoccupations, actor availability, etc.

*le sigh*
herlepras
So much bad things happening to the ever-cheerful Hiro! dry.gif
He definitely needs a hug! huh.gif

Total Yatta! moment when he returned though smile.gif
Now he's gonna begin his manhunt biggrin.gif


P.S=Is this just me or does Masi Oka really need to take care of his teeth?
Dont get me wrong,I love his personality,but this just popped in to my mind when he was all smiles at coming back laugh.gif
fARSIGHT
QUOTE (Marlique @ Nov 7 2007, 01:33 AM) *
So, when he finally came back, he came back at the point where we were as viewers, and this cannot be explained by any intratextual rule (meaning any logic found within the show), it can only be explained by the limits of the medium they are using, television. Because realistically, Hiro would have indeed teleported back to the exact moment he left. Him not knowing at what moment he teleported back doesn't make sense, especially after seeing how much mastery he has gained over his power, judging from his ease at teleporting anywhere in feudal Japan (i.e. bringing Kensei to the angry Ronin at the right place and the right moment). But Heroes is a TV show, and this means that it is not only guided (or restricted) by the logic of its fictional universe, but also by production issues, marketing preoccupations, actor availability, etc.

*le sigh*


Yes I know it's production issues with TV shows... but the only way they can get away with it plotwise is explaining it as he can't aim in time travelling... Hiro could teleport very well now through space, but there is no evidence that he could do it equally well through time... So far in all the instances that he had actually travelled through time, he never actually ended up exactly "when" he intended to be unless it was a life/death do-or-die situation... and even so it was to only to go back to the exact location (which would probably be easier because he seems to aim his time travelling by visualizing the surroundings) he has left, never to a new location in the same time...
thepoohguy
Let's think about it this way.

When Hiro travels in time, however long he is gone is how long he must be gone from his true timeline.

Therefore when he returns, he is to what everyone else around him would consider present time.

For example, if he time travels back in time for one day, when he wants to return to the present, it's not when he left, but one day later.

You could look at it as an internal clock. He was born on this day...He is this many days old so therefore when he wants to return to the present, his body does a calculation based on how many days old he is from the date he was born and that's where he goes.

Just my theory on this.
Marlique
QUOTE (thepoohguy @ Nov 7 2007, 06:35 PM) *
Let's think about it this way.

When Hiro travels in time, however long he is gone is how long he must be gone from his true timeline.

Therefore when he returns, he is to what everyone else around him would consider present time.

For example, if he time travels back in time for one day, when he wants to return to the present, it's not when he left, but one day later.

You could look at it as an internal clock. He was born on this day...He is this many days old so therefore when he wants to return to the present, his body does a calculation based on how many days old he is from the date he was born and that's where he goes.

Just my theory on this.


Unfortunately if you take the example of when he traveled back in time to save Charlie, he wasn't gone for that long and Ando didn't wait six months at the cafe. So that doesn't work.


QUOTE (fARSIGHT @ Nov 7 2007, 06:03 PM) *
Yes I know it's production issues with TV shows... but the only way they can get away with it plotwise is explaining it as he can't aim in time travelling... Hiro could teleport very well now through space, but there is no evidence that he could do it equally well through time... So far in all the instances that he had actually travelled through time, he never actually ended up exactly "when" he intended to be unless it was a life/death do-or-die situation... and even so it was to only to go back to the exact location (which would probably be easier because he seems to aim his time travelling by visualizing the surroundings) he has left, never to a new location in the same time...


I don't think they're gonna try to explain it. It's a TV show and that's all there is to it. If you (meaning anyone) want to enjoy it, you need to stop trying to find an intratextual reason for everything. There are plotholes but we don't care. Take it as it comes. You know it would have been impossible for them to picture it any other way, so try not to worry so much about it. There is no reason within the world of Heroes that explains why Hiro was gone for so long. It doesn't matter. I still love watching. wink.gif
SilentOunce
QUOTE (fARSIGHT @ Nov 7 2007, 01:03 PM) *
explaining it as he can't aim in time travelling... Hiro could teleport very well now through space, but there is no evidence that he could do it equally well through time...


Ahhh... but you see, there is really no difference, at least at a relativistic level.
Citizen
Hiro could leave the present time for 5 seconds and he could come back after living 10 years in the past/future.
ImSoGreat
QUOTE (thepoohguy @ Nov 7 2007, 01:35 PM) *
Let's think about it this way.

When Hiro travels in time, however long he is gone is how long he must be gone from his true timeline.

Therefore when he returns, he is to what everyone else around him would consider present time.

For example, if he time travels back in time for one day, when he wants to return to the present, it's not when he left, but one day later.

You could look at it as an internal clock. He was born on this day...He is this many days old so therefore when he wants to return to the present, his body does a calculation based on how many days old he is from the date he was born and that's where he goes.

Just my theory on this.


Reminds me of how time travel worked in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure"

Be excellent to each other.
SilentOunce
QUOTE (ImSoGreat @ Nov 7 2007, 02:52 PM) *
Reminds me of how time travel worked in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure"

Be excellent to each other.


Party on, dudes.
Alessandra
As far as why didn't Hiro return earlier: Well my theory is that when he made the choice to "go home" his power choose the time. After he found/ find's out that he has been "gone" for months he then, chooses not to change his own timeline (and causes a paradox) over something so silly as the point in time he returned to.

I'll grant you that he may choose to now go back, and save his father, but that's an entirely different matter.

Yes, I too am pleased that Hiro has "returned". While that last scene with his lady was beautiful, and moving --- for me --- his time in the past has been boring.

I realize that it was needed to show the development of Ando & Adam's character, but it still made me want to yawn. Or throw something... Still Season 2 is picking up. Finally.
Quinten
QUOTE (Citizen @ Nov 7 2007, 10:33 AM) *
Hiro could leave the present time for 5 seconds and he could come back after living 10 years in the past/future.


Maybe he can, but that doesn't mean he should! If you look at it on a biological level, his normal timeline, (where he is suppossed to be existing) should be based on his age compared to when he was born. Let's say Hiro is exactly 30 years old, he then goes back in time and spends one week in the past. If he then returns to exactly when he left, he would biologically be 30 years & one week old, but it would have only been 30 years since his birth. Thus, he would not be living in his normal timeline but rather living one week in the past.

If he made constant use of time traveling in such ways, he would begin to age much faster then those around him, making him months and eventually years older than he should be. Hiro could possibly die of old age before Ando gets to his 50's. In order to keep his age relative to those around him, and to keep himself in the timeline he is suppossed to be in, for every day he spends in the past, he should be missing from the present for the same amount of time.

I realize this was not the case with Charlie when he went back to save her, he spent a good few months with her before he returned to the present a few days after he left. So already, Hiro is months older than he should be. It's possible he only spent like 2 months in fuedal Japan, and now coming back 4 months later puts him back on his biological track?
infocassie
I was really excited to see Hiro and Ando back together again, but then it was like doodoo when Hiro found out about his dad.

I wish their cheery reunion would have been interrupted by Ando's angry boss, just because that guy totally needs more face time.
Nibinay
QUOTE (SilentOunce @ Nov 7 2007, 01:12 PM) *
Party on, dudes.


Hiro forgot to whind his watch
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