adam taught kaito to fight? anyone? maybe?

would explain why kaito told the stories to hiro so much as a child if adam was kaito's mentor and sensei, which would even further explain the line before his death, "Of all of them, I never thought it would be YOU."

discuss.

bump.

Adam wouldn't have needed super refined sword skills, mainly because of his regen powers. He did fight many from White Beard's army.

But, Hiro easily beat him, and he had limited training, from his father. I think that Kaito could easily out duel Adam in a sword fight.

You bumped it after 13 minutes? You should be ashamed of yourself.

sorry. this episode generated so much action on here. it was sinking. i had to save it.

SAVE THE THREAD, SAVE THE WORLD!

ok. sorry. ill go to my room for that one.

Remember..the guy was sitting around with 400 years to kill. He probably had some time to learn a few odds and ends.

Imagine if everyone tried to save their threads..

Anyway, at least you partially redeemed yourself by making a dumb joke.

Clay, you are only encouraging this behavior by replying to his post, and helping him save his thread.

Damn, now I did it too...

hey now. regardless of my actions, the thread is worth replying to. :\

It makes sense that Kensei would have become a lot more skilled over the course of a few centuries.

If Linderman was one of his deciples I imagine Kaito could have been to. After all they did choose his symbol as the company logo

makes sense.

I would say that of all the original twelve, Kaito was probably extra attached to Adam/Kensei. He probably enjoyed the stories himself, and looked up to him as a great hero. I think it's quite clear at this point that Kaito was killed by Adam, and I think that this would be particularly devastating emotionally for Kaito, leading to his line, "Of all of them, I never thought it would be you." or something like that.

Of course, I have just one problem, perhaps someone could clear it up for me...
Why is it that Kaito is surprised that Adam has come for him? I thought that they locked him up, and that was the reason that Adam was even killing them. Kaito clearly knew that the signature of Kensei on his photo meant his death, but yet he was STILL surprised to see Kensei? This all points to the fact that Adam did NOT kill Kaito, but this seems to be a given for me. It looks like him, and Adam could have got up and walked away.

Really a spoiler: It actually was Adam, or at least the actor that plays Adam, that was the hooded man. Beeman confirmed it in his blog. So, Adam is definitely the one behind the killings.

This doesnt make sense for a few reasons.

1) If linderman was a deciple of Adam and so was Kaito, why would Adam kill one of his own Deciples?

2) You assume Linderman was a Deciple of Adam's because Bob said so. Bob has yet to prove he is trust worthy. A man on his deathbed will say anything to stay alive.

3) Adam was one of the founders of the company, at one point everyone was a deciple of Adams, hence there being 12 of them and not 8 or 9.

++ To put it into perspective, most of the best athletes we know had maybe 20 or even 30 years or so to become the best at what they do, before old age gets then...

and any "best" warrior/samurai/martial art master in the past probably had around the same time...

You'd think having ten times more time than any of them, and a healing factor that ensure your body never wears down, would let him make up for any inborn talent that these "best" people had...

In fact, I would not be surprise if he is revealed to be an expert on a few sciences (like how Prof. X and Magneto are always portrayed as) and social sciences, given that he had at least 6 or 7 times the amount of time to learn them... It's small wonder that he would have enough knowledge and skills to appear to be so powerful and wise, in ways that has nothing to do with his power, to the Twelve when they first meet him...



Kaito appears to be one of those who Linderman claimed to have "lost his ways"... A disciple that was taught "the ways", but ultimately betrayed the master and turn against the "teachings" would probably be more deserving of punishment than one who was never taught "the ways"

Key word being that Kaito appears to be someone who lost his way. Its possible that Adam isnt evil (last time I checked it was the Company who spread the Virus trying to stop Adam, not Adam spreading the Virus trying to stop the company) and that eveything bob has said is a lie to trick both the characters in the show and to trick the audience at home.

It is unlikely that Adam taught Kaito anything in the current timeline, because he would have realized Kaito Nakamura was a decendent of Hiro Nakamura and we now know he's not very happy with Hiro taking his girl right now.

He didn't know that Adam was Kensei...

Adam did not mention anything about Hiro to Kaito, he would effect the timeline. Remember Kaito never knew which Nakamura would acend.

i think adam would much rather take revenge on hiro personally, rather than just kill him off before he's born or as a child. plus, if hiro would have never come back to fuedal japan, adam would have never gotten the drive he has now. adam knows better than to mess with the timeline. i stick by my theories.

Yeah, it wouldn't make sense to kill Kaito until after Hiro did the feudal Japan thing. It's only after Hiro went back in time and betrayed Adam that Adam could hurt Hiro personally in a meaningful and intentional way.

No, actually, if you watch earlier in the episode, you can see Kensei easily dispatch several of Whitebeard's soldiers in battle through sword skill, and in the fight with Hiro, he's actually doing quite well until he causes Hiro to go ballistic when he suggests he's going to kill Yaeko. He looks to be a plenty good swordfighter already in 1671- with another 336 years of experience, I don't doubt he may be the best swordsman ever to pick up a blade.

I don't doubt that Kaito telling Hiro all those stories about Kensei and presenting him as an idol is related in some way to Kaito's having actually known him.

Even if I was immortal, live 400+ years, I'd eventually get bored and decide to take of sword fighting.