So, when Future Angela was talking with Peter, telling him to remember and then low and behold he remembered everything (despite being mind-wiped by the Haitian)...

Was this an example of Angela's power? Either she has something along the lines of Eden, sort of do what I tell you kind of power...

Or perhaps she can "plant" memories in peoples minds?


Or was this just Peter accessing ediatic memory from Charlie/from Sylar?

i think he used Matt's mind reading combind with Charlie's ediatic memory. All the memories were of her, so i think she was remembering her past so he could read her mind (she know about all his power, including Matt's).

Using Matt's mind reading would make sense, except that all the memories we were shown were shown from Pete's POV and not Angela's.

Also, remember Peter never came into contact with Charlie, just Hiro and Sylar did.

And Peter never came into contact with Sylar?

I was thinking about her power too just now. After tonight's episode, I was wondering whether she has the power to touch something and remember the past. Recalling in the first season with her stealing socks because it made her feel alive ... the other hint that was given on some interview was that it's similar to another power we've already seen, but a quicker way to get from point A to B or something. It does fit along those lines ... but then again I hope it's not it.

but i dont think it works that way. peter didnt come into contact w charlie so i dont think he did acquire her powers

If by "that way" you mean Peter having received every power Sylar had, it was confirmed by Kring and is proven with Peter displaying telekinesis...

Yes, he has Charlie's memory.

As for Angela's feeling alive thing - i don't think she was actually shoplifting, I think she was talking to Claude and he did that to her. She is a pretty good liar and tells people what they expect to hear.

I think it was Angela using her power on Pete.

It seemed as though she was injecting her selection of happy mommy memories in order for Pete to remember her.

I'm sure that her power extends far beyond that alone.

No, it WASN'T confirmed by Kring. And it ISN'T proven by Peter displaying telekinesis. Recall that the company could only find evidence of telekinesis in Sylar's DNA... they couldn't figure out where his other powers came from or how he used them. This is the Company who has been tracking heroes for 20 odd years - they couldn't figure out Sylar!


There is one muddled statement from a writer during a panel that supports your position, but that is weak evidence. On the show Peter has never displayed anything other than telekinesis from Sylar. We don't know if he has absorbed any of Sylar's other powers, and even if he did, we don't know if he could ever use them... because we don't know how Peter's power works when presented with a person who has mulitple powers!


So you have a not well understood Peter, and a completely not understood Sylar. Making assertions about the interaction between them is unwise.

I think this was just bad writing in this scene.

I hope I'm wrong. I groaned when this happened. Apparently the way to get an amnesia patient to remember is to tell them to remember.

Something about a pot and a kettle...
It was confirmed at Comic Con.

I'm not going to look it up, because I'm tired of this debate, and you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Anyway, this is such an tired old argument, gah..

Never intended to make assumptions, I'm only going by in-show occurrences like Peters continual use of telekinesis (and powers in general) without knowing of them or where they came from. If telekinesis randomly pops in when the situation requires it, then sure, I'm guilty of assuming the possibility that Sylars other powers could do the same. Logically, there's no difference between any of his powers; they're all acquired from others, excluding his original intuitive aptitude. I'd understand if that's the power Peter frequently exhibits, but it isn't.

And if that comment was offhanded by a writer, I'd call it close enough to Kring-level reliability... but yeah, Kring is more preferable. I don't really have a lot of respect for those writers right now, anyway...

A power doesn't have to be manifested in Peter's presence, for Peter to gain that power. That has been displayed several times within the show.

All Peter has to do, is be in the presence of someone with a power, and their power becomes something Peter has access too (whether he realizes it or not).

So far, Peter has mimiced several confirmed powers, from people who he has been in contact with, that never exhibited their power in Peter's presence.

1. Peter manifested Isaac's precognition power, just by being in his presence, and without Isaac utilizing the power.
2. Peter manifested Claire's regeneration power, just by being in her presence, and without her utilizing the power.
3. Peter manifested Ted Spragues power of radioactivity, just by being in his presence, and without Ted utilizing the power.
4. Peter manifested DL Hawkins power of phasing, just by being in his presences, and without DL utilizing the power.

To assume that Peter can't absorb any of Sylar's powers, simply because Sylar has multiple powers, is itself presumptive speculation. The precedence given, is that Peter can absorb the powers of individuals who come within an unspecified range of where he is present; regardless of whether or not they use their power(s).

Since Peter has been in Sylar's direct presence, he has potentially absorbed all of Sylar's powers, albeit he has only conclusively manifested TK thus far. It is also possible though not clearly confirmable, that during Landslide, when Peter(along with Ted and Claire) 'heard' Sylar, he could have been using either Matt's Telepathy, or Dale(through Sylar)'s enhanced hearing; which would be a second manifestation of a Sylar power.


Writer Joe Pokaski (with Tim Kring, and a dozen Heroes writers present), specifically stated: "only being in the presence of Sylar gives Peter all of his powers". (Whether they are actually used or not). According to the the March 2007 Wizard World Q&A session.

That statement was very clear, and not the least bit muddled. Had it been an mis-step by Pokaski, Kring and a bevy of other writers were right there to correct it; instead of nod in agreement accepting Joe's explanation as it was given.

I think Sylar is just like a jukebox, to use a power he must browse one and have one in "on" mode and the others in "off" mode. So the others can only see the one he display.

Back to Angela's power. When she said remember, they showed all the clips but I'm pretty sure that all of the clips were just her and Peter - they didn't show anyone else. In other words, she can share her memories of herself with others but can't make him remember Nathan, etc. I don't think she brought back his memories, she just planted her memories of the two of them into his head.

I heard an interesting "Angela's Power" theory during the hiatus that Angela's power was access to the past. Even if she didn't live it, she still knew about it. Kind of like a third person omnitient narrator, she knows everything that happens already.
Maybe Peter was picking up on this...

Or maybe she was reading her mind... which would seem kind of far fetched because they were of HER, not of other things. How can Angela remember her own face?

Good call! I have been thinking the same thing. I watched the shots in slow mo and they were all frmo last season, none from this season and all just close ups, an outside point of few of Angela. Even scenes that Peter wasn't in. There were I think three, maybe two that could be considered Peter's point of few. Angela in the hospital and at the brunch. The only true POV of Peter was his mother bringing him the birthday cake. Nice touch. Angela really smiling. She was happy once.

It may have been a combo of Angela's power with one of Peter's power and even Angela's working together on Peter. It's weird, because when I was sure she had the dream thing, I wondered if she could touch hands with Peter, since they would both have the same power, and see each other's dreams. This was kinda my dream come true.

Since Matt can read minds and do more, I do wonder if what we saw is a by product of what ever Angela's main power is.

Whatever her power is - Peter has it also. She knows Peter's ability to mimic others - she should know he can mimic hers too.

there's already a thread about this.

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Bingo! Better than I could say it!

"You will have the Benefit of my experience..." Angela Petrelli .07%

I hope we more scenes of Angela and Peter like this. She knows so much she can tell us and Peter.

last season when peter and claire were near kirby plaza after they met ted, peter used super hearing from sylar. he heard sylar and i think he said something along the lines of " sylar is watching us i can hear him"

It was Matts ability that he used. They used the same effect that they use for Matts ability and Sylar didn't actually say anything out loud.

I was wondering about this. From just the quick view of pictures of Angela, the last one looked much older, like it was Angela in the future, even more future than the plague. I was wondering if he was accessing 'memories' from the future using Hiro's powers or something.

the one with the birthday cake?! She looked waaaay younger.

Maybe Angela's power is the opposite of The Haitian's, whereas he can take away memories, she can give them?

yea...but what i found very interesting in this scene is that it was very clear now that Angela DOES have apower...i think i remember her saying to peter "you're the strongest one of US!"...

The writers still aren't showing their hand as to whether Peter might have Charlie's power:

"When Peter wants to remember his past, will he be able to? Sylar stole Charlie's power, and Peter had contact with Sylar at the end of Season 1, so conceivably, Peter has Charlie's eidetic memory. Would the Haitian's wipe have cleared that cache, or are the memories still locked away somewhere, waiting to be drawn out?”

That's an interesting theory. Does Peter have any other abilities that might be able to help him remember his past? And emotionally, does Peter want to remember his past?

good idea!

yup! Add that to what she said in the Kindness of Strangers, "Let it go.. if they dig anymore they will find out about "us" and what "we" can do." Now, what does she do? I love that this episode may have given a hint and it may just be a red herring. I love the slow reveal, but it's still killing me. I feel like saying something like, "Where did she get those fabulous toys!" hehe. And the shoes, loved the shoes.

No.


They used the same sound effect that is heard when someone uses telepathy. Peter clearly used his telepathy on his mother. However, i think this was a two way deal. Its possible that she has some power that gives her a higher level of understanding that let peter unlock his own memories.

There just werent enough clues during that scene to really understand whats going on.

Actually, I'm thinking that while we were given a hint as to the nature of Mama Petrelli's power, what we saw mostly was Peter's empathy shifting up one gear.

The Heroes writers love to use parallels --- and IMO the fact that in this episode Matt shifted from using his power passively to actively is parallel to Peter's encounter with Future Mama.

She somehow helped him to use his empathy actively, to let him connect back into his relationship with her, and more importantly I think that this is the first ever time we've seen Peter use his primary ability at anywhere near full potential.

Last season I only saw Sylar use TWO abilities at the same time once. During the sceen with his mon when he was making the snow and the TK. When he did it though it looked like he was mentaly not there like something else had slipped in and taken over.

Mama Petrelli -
I so want to know what her power is.
I'm not sure if that sceene was her power so Peter would remember; Peter reading her thoughts or taping into Charlies ability; or a combination of the two supers.

I hope that we can see more about this soon.

he didn't clearly anything. why would he see images OF his mother while reading her mind? wouldn't he be seeing images of HIMSELF or OTHER people? And sense when does a similar sound effect mean its the same? Eden and Syl

angela didn't use her power. we don't know what it is yet. im fairly certain the writers/creators know how much we want to know what her ability is. you can bet your ****** that when she uses it... well KNOW it. not speculate it.

edit: can we get a merge with the other thread about this? please mod?

If you want clues to Angela's ability you're going to have to look a bit deeper than that one scene. That's all Peter there, be it empathy, telepathy or simply undoing what the Haitian had taken from him. Angela is simply urging him to dig deep and find the memories because she knows what he is capable of and wants him to change things for the better.

edit: Random thought after reading that back though, what if Angela's power is simply to enhance the powers of other Heroes around her? Would certainly have been useful within the working structure of the company.

That was what I was thinking. Good on you.

so far we don't know that Angela necessarily had anything to do with Peter's recovery of memory (altho it coulda been).

The two times I remember the show showing us Angela's ability was simply showing the trait that the other person can "hear" what she's saying... not verbally aloud. Once with Matt Parkman when she was in hospital, and 2nd time with Peter in this episode. My memory sux and I dunno whether she's exhibited it before and whether it's just the same trait exhibited.

So far, the only thing we can say for certain is that she can communicate through mind.

A possible stretch from that would be that she can convince people's minds to things.

she doesn't communicate through mind. she was simply thinking and parkman was hearing it. she knew he could read minds, so she was thinking in sentences as though she was talking to him.

Yes, this is true and the actress confirmed this. CR said. "She's been around these people for decades..." Plus, and the actress hinted to this, because it was before we knew about Maury. She knew his father. I like to think all the above, cause Angela is a smart cookie.

That was my take on this scene also. Every thing was "happy mom" none of the bad things she has done

I think Angela is a pusher. Not the drug dealer kind, the kind from the "Firestarter" book. I think she can influence others like Eden and that she used this power to get Peter to remember. She said something like you will remember, or you have to remember to Peter.

thats right...she has to know that peter has her "power as well"

I think you are on to something here, but I will add this...
I believe Mama Petrelli has some kind of mind power from that (certainly it can't be that she simply just told him to remember and he does, that would be the worst ever) and also going back to season 1 before Nathan was elected and after Linderman dies, there are a couple scenes where Mama seems to be persuading Nathan, one time she put her hand on Nathan's back, and called him congressman, and told him the plan wasn't just Lindermans, can you be the one we need? Something to that effect...ever since then I thought Mama P. had some kind of mind control. Only thing is that she seemed to be tring to persuade Claire and it didnt work, remember when Claire jumped out that window to get away from Mama and Nathan?

Maybe she told Daddy Petrelli to get lost for a while... or jump off a bridge? (though my best guess is tht hes not really dead.)

Yeah, with all respect to everyone's theories, I don't think Angela is anything like Eden, cause no one ever listened to her for long. And I know some people think it's a touching thing. But she was touching Claire before she jumped out that window.

Plus, Characters with such absolutes like Linderman, Candice and Eden. Meaning in power they can just fix things, can't sustain long story archs, there is no conflict. And with out conflict, there is no story. I always thought it was genius to give the bad guy the healing power, cause he's not a guy who's gonna want to heal the "white hats." Also the reason I knew he'd never meet Peter. I called Candice and Eden's death before it happened.

But, I know if you don't believe, you don't believe. But that's my take. Plus, again Angela tried to

Get Claire to go to Paris and stay with her and Nathan
Told Peter he wasn't special and he shouldn't try and be a hero, etc
Nathan to let Peter explode

And no one listened to her. It just makes no sense to me, as does someone who has the oppoiste of the Haitian's power. What does that do? It's just so basis to me, NOW if it's part of a larger power then I'd totally buy it.

I like to think what someone else said, Angela knows how an empath works and was keying into his empathy or her own power inside of him. like a connector cord.

I'm not even reading the rest of this thread. Guys, didn't you see what Peter was doing before he remembered? He was squinting and the filming was cut and there were sounds of feedback... what does that remind you of? MATT PARKMAN! That'S right. 10$ for me. Peter READ Angela's MIND! Notice how all the memories were of Angela? That is simple TV language to tell you that they are Angela's memories. Yes, they weren't from Angela's point of view, but if they had been, then it would've been more ambiguous - whose memories are they? No clue. It's just an aesthetic choice, a questionable one, but also an explicit one.

So Peter did not just remember. He read Angela's mind. Now stop with the bickering!

I soo like you!

I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more focus. The writer was giving us a clue here I think.

I'm of the opinion that Angela didn't use any power at all to help Peter remember. It hasn't even been established that she has powers, let alone what they may be.

Emotion is always the key with Peter. His emotions activate his powers. The writer was right, up until this point, Peter hadn't wanted to remember the past. He was afraid he was a killer, and was very happy with Caitlyn. Suddenly Caitlyn is ripped away from him, and a person telling him she is his mother is there telling him he is a kind person. It's the first moment he emotionally wanted to remember. Thus he did. He remembered his mother because she was the one standing there... the one he wanted to connect with.

How? I'm not sure on that. It could have been Charlie's power, or Matt's, or it could have been the Haitian's. If the Haitian was close enough to take Peter's memory, then Peter also has his power. Perhaps a combination of the above.

On a side note, this also means Peter has the ability to block other's powers (ala the Haitian).

He has to have the Haitian's ability. They first met in "Unexpected" when Noah Bennet and the Haitian tasered Claude. Peter has able to use telekinesis and flight to foil them and escape w/ Claude. Of course, the Haitian wasn't using his powers at the time, otherwise Peter wouldn't have been able to do the aforementioned.

Angela Petrelli has a power, but I hope they reveal what all the elder heroes' powers are.

Also, Peter has more powers than the ones we've seen, he just doesn't know how to access them. Despite being in proximity to them, he hasn't shown the abilities from these people:

Angela Petrelli
Charles Deveaux
Eden McCain
The Haitian
Molly Walker
Micah Sanders
Bob (he knew the Company captured Peter, and more than likely came into contact with him)

...and any of Sylar's powers besides the telekinesis.

I really dont think she has one.
And if she does, this "memory implanting" theory is not her power for sure.
They were all Peter's point of view. Just showed him remembering stuff.

He moved his mother's snow globes around with TK while making it snow with freeze power.