Explosivo
Nov 7 2007, 04:51 PM
Okay, Niki saw DL in this episode because Maury made her see him. Maury and Linderman are Adam Monroe's underlings. That likely means that Linderman and Maury were working together a lot.
Niki and DL both worked for Linderman at one time or another. Niki did it as Jessica, though. Niki saw Jessica a lot.
Put all that together. Could it be that Niki's power has ONLY been super strength all along? Could it be that the only reason she saw Jessica is because Maury MADE her see Jessica, so she would work for Linderman? Could she have never actually had split personalities, and just been Maury's punching bag?
Ashen
Nov 7 2007, 05:01 PM
It is a possibility, but I do not think they would go for that as it would mean that Maury would have had to tail Niki all that time.
Her power is just superstrength though. The Jessica thing is just a split personality issue, nothing paranormal.
Explosivo
Nov 7 2007, 05:37 PM
NO he wouldn't. Maury's power can reach a long way. He reached Angela Petrelli from Philly.
SensibleIronies
Nov 7 2007, 05:45 PM
That wouldnt really explain the blacking out and doing a bunch of cupcakes as jessica that she can't remember. If it was only the seeing her in the mirror I would view this as possible but considering that she would fight against jessica within her own body.. I mean I don't think he has the power to force you to do things and then make you forget them as he would have had to have done to explain all the things jessica did using Niki's body. And even if he could why would he have used this power to make Niki turn to Jessica and then steal Lindermans money?
SilentOunce
Nov 8 2007, 05:24 AM
QUOTE (Explosivo @ Nov 7 2007, 08:37 PM)

NO he wouldn't. Maury's power can reach a long way. He reached Angela Petrelli from Philly.
I don't think that was Maury. Other people saw the lights flickering and such. I still think that Adam is an empath and it was him. But hey, don't have much proof yet. There was too much going on with Angela for that to have been Maury alone.
fARSIGHT
Nov 8 2007, 06:13 AM
QUOTE (SilentOunce @ Nov 8 2007, 08:24 AM)

I don't think that was Maury. Other people saw the lights flickering and such. I still think that Adam is an empath and it was him. But hey, don't have much proof yet. There was too much going on with Angela for that to have been Maury alone.
Like many who has posted this before, I think the lights flickering was not the killer's doing... it maybe Angela's power going haywire in a stressful situation... (ie. she might have been the last generation's electricity wielder, or some sort of electromagnetic power)
Quinten
Nov 8 2007, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (Explosivo @ Nov 7 2007, 04:37 PM)

NO he wouldn't. Maury's power can reach a long way. He reached Angela Petrelli from Philly.
I gotta disagree with that, we have no way to know he was in Philly at the time of the attack, it was days later when they caught him in Philly. He had plenty of time to attack Angela in NYC and then drive back to Philly and hide.
If his powers did work over such a long distance then why would he need to be in the same building as Niki and Matt to attack them? He could have done that sitting at home instead of putting himself in harms way. And Bob, who probably knows a lot about Maury's abilities, seemed convinced that Maury would be coming there, not just attacking from a far off city.
vare
Nov 8 2007, 10:15 AM
Huh? Did I miss something? Were Niki's powers shown as being anything other than super strength?
Explosivo
Nov 8 2007, 08:43 PM
QUOTE (Quinten @ Nov 8 2007, 01:09 PM)

I gotta disagree with that, we have no way to know he was in Philly at the time of the attack, it was days later when they caught him in Philly. He had plenty of time to attack Angela in NYC and then drive back to Philly and hide.
If his powers did work over such a long distance then why would he need to be in the same building as Niki and Matt to attack them? He could have done that sitting at home instead of putting himself in harms way. And Bob, who probably knows a lot about Maury's abilities, seemed convinced that Maury would be coming there, not just attacking from a far off city.
He didn't need to be in the same building to attack Niki and Matt, he needed to be in the same building because he wanted to kill Bob, and his powers don't kill.
Jheral
Nov 9 2007, 01:42 AM
That still doesn't explain it. He was, after all trying to get Niki to kill Bob for him.
If he'd been able to use his powers on her without him being that close, he would have.
I think he was in the building when he attacked Angela, and that the only reason he was
able to attack Molly was that she was "there", looking for him.
boonskank
Nov 9 2007, 07:55 AM
QUOTE (Quinten @ Nov 8 2007, 12:09 PM)

I gotta disagree with that, we have no way to know he was in Philly at the time of the attack, it was days later when they caught him in Philly. He had plenty of time to attack Angela in NYC and then drive back to Philly and hide.
If his powers did work over such a long distance then why would he need to be in the same building as Niki and Matt to attack them? He could have done that sitting at home instead of putting himself in harms way. And Bob, who probably knows a lot about Maury's abilities, seemed convinced that Maury would be coming there, not just attacking from a far off city.
when molly looked for maury, he put her in a coma from all the way in philly. so that settles THAT.
QUOTE (vare @ Nov 8 2007, 12:15 PM)

Huh? Did I miss something? Were Niki's powers shown as being anything other than super strength?
they werent. theres a few people on this forum that have the ridiculous idea that niki's split personality is part of her power, or that jessica (the dead sister) had some sort of power to inhabit people's bodies and that when jessica takes over, that it is actually the spirit of her dead sister. we dont all believe that though. so just ignore it.
vare
Nov 9 2007, 08:05 AM
QUOTE (boonskank @ Nov 9 2007, 10:55 AM)

when molly looked for maury, he put her in a coma from all the way in philly. so that settles THAT.
they werent. theres a few people on this forum that have the ridiculous idea that niki's split personality is part of her power, or that jessica (the dead sister) had some sort of power to inhabit people's bodies and that when jessica takes over, that it is actually the spirit of her dead sister. we dont all believe that though. so just ignore it.

LOl! Okay. Just checking. Heroes is my crack addiction and I'm a fiend for any and all info.
Astroman77
Nov 9 2007, 08:15 AM
There are clips from Monday's episode in the spoiler section for those who are interested in getting more information on Niki, her abilities and their side effects.
Ashen
Nov 11 2007, 11:46 AM
QUOTE (vare @ Nov 8 2007, 07:15 PM)

Huh? Did I miss something? Were Niki's powers shown as being anything other than super strength?
Nope, they weren't. Some people just keep interpreting things into the show that clearly are not there. Don't worry, you did miss not it.
Ashen
Nov 11 2007, 11:58 AM
QUOTE (boonskank @ Nov 9 2007, 04:55 PM)

when molly looked for maury, he put her in a coma from all the way in philly. so that settles THAT.
That does not settle that. If Maury's powers worked over such long distances he could just have driven Bob insane from afar and made him jump off the building or something like that.
What he did with Molly probably was some kind of feedback effect where he used her "connection" (Molly's power does in fact work over a distance) to send his signal. This is supported by Molly saying that he can see her when she is looking for him. That is why Molly does not want to look for him becaue he can attack her when she does so. He cannot do so if she does not look for him though.
Mind that if Maury's power did work over long distances his power would practically include Molly's.
There is no sufficient evidence to support the idea that Maury's power works over long distances.
Creator
Nov 11 2007, 12:25 PM
Ashen,
Bravo! Molly's power is not limited by distance [she can locate anyone on Earth], whereas, Maury's (and Matt's) power is short-ranged proximity based. Molly 'found' Maury and he attacked her. So, I agree. His attack was only possible because she was mentally nearby.
Creator
Ashen
Nov 11 2007, 01:23 PM
Thank you :-).
And kudos yourself for coining the term mentally nearby ;-). (I have not heard that before, but it fits quite well.)
Joe Ravenclaw
Nov 11 2007, 01:36 PM
Well, let's just get this straight... Niki's ONLY ability is Superstrength.
Now Jessica is like a whole seperate issue. She might have been a real personality disorder, or maybe Jessica had an ability that allowed her to take over Niki's body or whatever, but Niki's only ability was superstrength.
Whatever Jessica was, it's a non-issue aparently, because the company took care of it somehow. And I don't think that it was maury's doing. Jessica was an entirely different person that Niki became, and Maury couldn't have done that.
Renrut
Nov 11 2007, 04:40 PM
This is from a TV Guide interview:
What the hell is Niki's power, anyway?
This had the execs a little touchy, but TV Guide got tons o' questions on the subject, so here goes: "We thought this was very clear on the air," Loeb says. "Niki's power is the same as her alternate personality Jessica's: unbelievable strength. They're the same person. Niki discovered her special ability through her split personality, but it was always her ability."
So yes, her only power is unbelievable strength. That is it. Split personality, a whole other issue and nothing to do with her power. Even people who are nuts like Sylar get a power.
aquafina
Nov 11 2007, 10:29 PM
QUOTE (Ashen @ Nov 7 2007, 09:01 PM)

It is a possibility, but I do not think they would go for that as it would mean that Maury would have had to tail Niki all that time.
Her power is just superstrength though. The Jessica thing is just a split personality issue, nothing paranormal.
i think differently, the jessica thing was way too out-of-ordinary to be a split personality issue.
jessica couldve embodied niki before she died, with whatever power she had, and only decided to come out when she wanted to. and plus, i don't remember the part of split-personalities where you could communicate with your "other personality", and i've read up on them quite a bit. split-personalities are an ultimate take-over, you cant communicate with each other.
QUOTE (Ashen @ Nov 11 2007, 03:58 PM)

That does not settle that. If Maury's powers worked over such long distances he could just have driven Bob insane from afar and made him jump off the building or something like that.
What he did with Molly probably was some kind of feedback effect where he used her "connection" (Molly's power does in fact work over a distance) to send his signal. This is supported by Molly saying that he can see her when she is looking for him. That is why Molly does not want to look for him becaue he can attack her when she does so. He cannot do so if she does not look for him though.
Mind that if Maury's power did work over long distances his power would practically include Molly's.
There is no sufficient evidence to support the idea that Maury's power works over long distances.
how did maury get into molly's head and give her nightmares then?
Ashen
Nov 12 2007, 04:25 AM
QUOTE (aquafina @ Nov 12 2007, 07:29 AM)

i think differently, the jessica thing was way too out-of-ordinary to be a split personality issue.
jessica couldve embodied niki before she died, with whatever power she had, and only decided to come out when she wanted to. and plus, i don't remember the part of split-personalities where you could communicate with your "other personality", and i've read up on them quite a bit. split-personalities are an ultimate take-over, you cant communicate with each other.
how did maury get into molly's head and give her nightmares then?
Alright, I will probably get a warning for flaming for this, but how thick can some people be?
Now that it has been stated very clearly by co-executive producer Jeph Loeb there is really no room whatsoever for speculation anymore. Just accept it.
Honestly, all these over the top theories roaming the board are getting very annoying. A little bit of speculation is alright, but there is a seperate forum for it and what really makes it annoying is that people keep ridiculing the ones who simply stick to the facts.
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