Ok so Bob basically wants to use the virus on Adam... IF that is true how in the world is Claires blood suppose to save Niki? Do I smell a plot hole?

Bob thinks that the virus will take away abilities... I think he intend that the virus and the healing ability wipe each other out in Claire's body, then harvest the antibodies generated due to the infection...

Possibly but arnt these things Mutally Exclusive? From what we know about the virus and the abilities one should win out. Either The virus inhibits the regen or the regen kills the virus. maybe I dont know enough about medicine but in either case it cant Save Niki and Make Adam mortal.

It could work but only if the infection doesn't reach the part of the brain that turns off powers before she can cure it from herself.

Kinda iffy but I could buy into it. Lets wait and see.

That's a good point. Plus, only Sylar can really reprogram his DNA to acquire abilities...how is Claire's special DNA that only works for her supposed to work on a normal human? Aren't powers more than just blood and DNA? Or couldn't then ANYONE get another's power through a synthesized blood transfusion?

I don't know about this Claire's blood thing...it opens up too many doors. Or holes.

1. Not the blood itself that will cure the disease in others but the antibodies created by the hyperimmune system.

2. I prefer the term "Can-of-Worms"!

I like the theory that the virus mutates according to the infected person's abilities - just a fan theory, I know, but a really really good one. So Molly's power enabled it to infect others, and Niki's superstrength made it immune to Mohinder's blood.

If this is true then Bob is very wrong and Claire is not the cure of the virus, she's the exact opposite. If it infects her it will get her regenerative anbility and become unstoppable - possibly wiping out 93% of the world's population.

I much prefer this theory. If Claire is the cure of the virus then the writers have just lifted the plot straight from Wolverine and the X-Men.

Wow MrsGoogly, that would be very scarey indeed. What if Maya got it? Even quicker death.

Maybe Maya/Alejandro (or Sylar if he gets their powers) are the cure ...?

I'm totally making this up now!

It seems to me there is a huge plot hole going on here with this virus.

Lets take Matt's dad as an example.

Bob wanted Maury to be injected with the virus, removing his powers and making him harmless. Then they were going to administer an antidote so he didnt die.

Once the antidote has been given, the persons powers return (see the Haitian and Molly), thereby making Maury dangerous again.

So whats the point? Its fine for a short term solution, but what then?

And if Bob is hoping to use the virus on any "hero" who may be dangerous, he may as well just let the virus kill them, or kill them himself.

I can see Adam (and Claire) being the only people the virus would really have an advantage over, but once again that would mean leaving them without an antidote, and killing them.

I think the part about Claire resisting the virus is just a lie to get Mohinder to go along with the plan. Bob wants Claire as a test to see if the virus would really kill Adam.

There must be a catch, musn't there? It can't be as easy as "Claire's invulnerable, therefore her blood can fight any illness." I think Bob might be responsible for the virus' widespread devastation via Claire the guineapig.

I don't recall Bob saying he had to inject Adam with the virus, was that in Out of Time?

I seriously think it's Alejandro too... That his power is not only to neutralize his sister's virus, but actually any virus...

He hasn't said that; it's just something a lot of people suspect. Think about it- Adam and the Company are arch-enemies. He's trying to wipe them all out, and he himself is immortal insofar as we know. A virus which takes away peoples' powers may potentially present the only means by which he could be made mortal and killed. Bob is looking for a person with apparently-identical powers to Adam to use the virus on. He gave Mohinder the reason that he wants to use Claire to create antibodies for the virus, but(since he is a member of the Company, an associate of Linderman and presumably involved in the Company's dirty dealings) it seems plausible that he's not being entirely honest and that this fact is not a coincidence.

Remember, here, that HRG is completely convinced to the core of his being that the Company is a threat to Claie and would do terrible things to her if they ever got their hands on her. HRG worked for the Company for something like 20 years, and is extremely intelligent and perceptive. I think he probably has very good reason to be afraid for Claire, particularly to the degree that he apparently is. I highly doubt, then, that their intentions/actions would be pure in this situation. I think they may, for example, experiment with the virus on Claire until they find a way to kill her, and thus, presumably, Adam as well, before unleashing it on him.

Plot hole? Are you serious? Inject Maury to take his powers, RESTRAIN him, inject him with something to knock him out, cure him while he is in captivity and BEFORE he wakes up... That isn't even a hard plan to come up with for Mohander... (Who seems exceptionally dumb in these episodes...)

As for the virus, apperantly Claire isn't the cure since she is alive when Peter goes to the future and 93% of the world is dea... As for Alejandro, he could be the cure, but we're not sure when and if Sylar kills him...

More then Likely the plan since the company found her was to use Claire as a test subject for the virus to see if it could/would kill her, which is why she has always been so important to the company... (If it kills her it would kill Adam...) As far as I can tell she isn't 30 years old (not even 18!) and they did state Adam had been locked up for 30 years, the time fits for this to be the plan all along...

The strain they wanted to infect Maury with was supposed to take away powers without killing the infected person. Mohinder's antibodies were supposed to be admininstered in case the strain proved to be lethal still.

You can put together the info by watching episode 6 where Bob wants Mohinder to infect Monica in order to permanently remove her powers.

Remember that the Virus originally had two effects: First it takes away the power of the infected, then it slowly kills him/her. The lethal component was supposed to be missing from the strain Mohinder was to use on Monica.


Regarding Kensei: He has the same or pretty much the same power as Claire. He can be killed. Cut of his head or slice through his brain: He is dead.
Unless you reattach the part you cut off that is...

So, neutralizing his power or using the Virus to kill him is not the only option and it probably is not the best.

You only assume Adam and Claire have the same power, as did I, but it is only assumed until stated as fact... Even still, Adam went through and explosion, Claire walked into a neuclear reaction, Peter exploded, and I'm sure the company tried other ways of killing Adam, or witnessed his power first hand, besides, the virus being altered to kill Adam idea wasn't mine, it was Bob's! I just suggested that the company wanted to experiment with it on Claire since her power's were similar to Adam's (if not the exact same...) Nobody as far as I know suggested using Peter as a test subject which means they aren't willing to sacrifice him... (as far as we know...)

If you know of an easy way for somebody to kill a man whose regeneration ability has improved over 377 years then by all means post them here since we only assume a decapitation or stab to the brain would kill Adam at this point in his life...

Adam and Claire having the same power is pretty darn obvious. In fact, there is nothing indicating otherwise. So, until proven wrong it is the best theory we have.
When and where was it stated that the company was conductiing research on the Virus in order to kill Adam? I have not heard Bob say that. What Bob said was that Claire would probably be immune to the Virus. From that you can conclude that in all probability Adam will be as well.

Besides that, you accuse me of assuming too much in regards to Adam and Claire having the same ability. So, if you dislike such wild speculation, what indicators lead you to the conclusion that Adam's regenerative powers have grown with time?

Maybe the stregnth of his power hasn't grown, but the knowledge of how to best use it to his benifit must be mind boggling... Also, Bob stated in a previous episode that they were testing the virus' power cancling ability and trying to make a non-lethal strain to stop "threats" and Mohander asked, "The file that says Adam Monroe" or something to that effect. (It was the episode that Mohander was going to inject Monica, don't remember it's name...)

As for accusing you of assuming too much, I also put myself into that statement as well so do not get defensive about it. We all tend to assume things that may or may not be true, but even if Adam's power is exactly like Claire's Although spoilers say he has other abilities like ressurection and he even healed Nathan after Peter explodes as well... he has had close to 4 centuries to define what he can and can't live through, and if he was killable, why did the 12 only imprission him instead of killing him? Bob seems to be looking for a way to kill him so if it was so easy wouldn't he be dead... (just assuming Bob wants to kill him and not just capture him by Bob's actions/statements)

Have you ever seen highlander? It isn't so easy to insert a blade into somebodys skull when they know its coming. Besides, the blade or item intering the head has to stay put I'm assuming for quite some time since Peter is walking around again after the glass was pulled out of his head...

Ok, I'm not a doctor or anything, but this is what I think is going on...

As far as I know, viruses attack certain cells, and use the cells to generate new viruses, and the virus eventually makes it's way through the body.

Claire can't be harmed by the virus because whatever cells the virus attacks can just regenerate themselves, so there is no damage. And since claire can't recieve damage from the virus, she keeps her ability, and eventually her body would fight off the virus just like anything else. then they can harvest whatever antibodies that her body makes to fight off the virus, and gives it to niki.

Now, as for Adam, I don't remember him saying that he wanted to give him the virus... maybe I wasn't paying attention...

More elluded strongly to injecting Adam then actually saying it directly. He wanted to test the new strain on Monica and he appologizes because he was looking for a way to neutralize a threat and Mohander says "Adam Monroe" Bob says yes and that he is very dangerous...

As for Claire's blood saving the world, lets follow this logically...

A: They think Claire is the cure for th virus

B: This discission is made while Peter is in the future, meaning that the plan had already been put into place since Peter went to the Future

C: 93% of the world is dead, despite the fact that they had the plan to use Claire's blood to make antibodies...

Unless Claire somehow dies in the year Peter skips when he goes into the Future, Claire couldn't be the key to stopping the virus.. It's just simple logic, a+b+c=D, Claire was still in the same time period as the virus and the virus still spreads..

Alright, that may be so.

However, I think Claire cannot be harmed by the virus and neither can Adam. I also believe the company thinks around the same lines.
As far as we know Claire has never been ill from any biological source or otherwise. This is assuming the cough mentioned early in season I was just some sort of excuse. I think it also has been mentioned that she cannot remember ever having been ill.

So, in all likelyhood this virus will prove to be no threat to her. May it be because her cells simply regenerate too rapidly or because her immune system will build antibodies in an instant. In the latter case her antibodies might prove to be a cure for this virus as well as any other virus in the world. Still, in the real world the production or amplification of these antibodies (if at all artificially possible) on a large scale would take too long to save most of the population from dying. This means that her blood can only help contain spreadage of the virus before a large scale outbreak has occured.

On using the virus to kill Adam: First: Why not use the original strain against him? Why try to produce a non lethal strain and thereby risk creating a resistant one? (Alright, I guess this might just be a little plot hole intentionally overlooked by the writers, unfortunately only one of a few negligences this season...)
Moreover, assuming his power is similar to Claires the way to stop him would be to hurt him faster than he can regenerate (more hurt than heal per second...) which is a hard thing to do and a thing a virus could never achieve. What do you reckon can inflict more damage within a short period of time an axe or a virus?
The only way I could think of to effectively use a virus against him (and under this assumption it could be any fast replicating virus, not necessarily the Shanti-virus) would be to directly infect the core of his ability so the cells within him granting his power are destroyed first. This only works if there is some central part of their brain causing the special abilities. This has been hinted at and speculated about a great deal and probably is what the writers or the Kring had in mind, however it is a theory I do not like very much. Despite it most likely being true...
Then again, if it would work like this you could just simply destroy the responsible region directly instead of injecting a virus into it. Using a laser, radiation, a gun... an axe ;-)...

There was a line early in Season 1 when (in relation to Claire being adopted) Sandra Bennet said there had been a time when Claire was very young and very sick. They had tried to find her biological parents then to see if it was some sort of genetic disease. I don't know if it has any relevance, except the fact that Claire has been sick at least once in her life.

Maybe it was the Shanti virus and her body vanquished it ...?

Are you serious as to why they would want a non-lethal strain of a virus that STOPS PEOPLE'S POWERS? You are just thinking about Adam, and Bob is thinking about Adam, Sylar, Maury, etc... or people like Ted that have extreme powers with no ability to control them...

Also you're missing a key factor and side effect with the Virus vs. Claire, it STOPS PEOPLE'S POWERS! There is a huge chance that Claire isn't immune to it's effects, there is a chance that Claire isn't immune but Adam is, there is Also a chance of the opposite of that as well or any combination of things mentioned... Pandemic viruses aren't an exact science but there is usually a small percentage of people immune to a certain strains of a virus anyways... (Usually) That is why Viruses need to mutate.. It is a game of making new antibodies befre the Virus mutates new strains, which the Company and Mohander unfortunately failed to do...

I will point out for the last time that if Claire was the key to stopping the virus, why is there a 93% casualty rate in the future? Obviously Peter is the key to stopping the virus by his actions... I don't think I'd need to add spoiler tags for that since it seems like it should be apperant that Peter is meant to save the day or be a big part of saving the day, deluded though he may be...

I bet Alejandro's power isn't limited to only countering Maya's power, and can cure the Shanti Virus, as well. Unless Sylar kills him. Then only Sylar will have the power to cure it. That sounds like a Heros plot, to me.

Alright, first I would like to know what exactly you are referring to in your first paragraph. Cause the thing about the virus is not something I made up it is something Bob said. And I was the one questioning whether that made any sense regarding Adam... Anyway, what you are saying does not make any sense the way wou wrote it. Please fill in the holes as I am sure you meant something that does not come across.

Secondly, dude, I study biotechnology so there is really not need to lecture me on viruses. At least not on such a basic level. Moreover, if you had really understood what I was pointing out in my post you would not have reacted the way you did. Go over my reasoning again and then try to falsify it on a logical basis if you can, so I do not have to repeat myself.

That's what I used to think too...but that was before I got hooked on my newest crazy theory, which is that the company gave Sylar a strain of the virus to block his powers, which is why he is so very un-special right now. If Maya & Al could cure the virus, then Sylar would be cured now and be happily cutting open Al's head as a thank-you.

It's too coincidental for Sylar not to have been infected with a strain of the virus. The company had Sylar, Sylar has no powers, and the company has a virus that blocks powers.

I think Sylar will use Maya as a threat to Mohinder to get him to give Sylar the cure for the Shanti virus.

Anyone watch the previews for tonight? It sounded to me like they gave Peter the virus 4 months ago. but he's still using his powers, better than ever actually.

Its simple logic, if the Virus stops powers, it could potentially stop Adam and Claire's regenration power... If it stops the power without attacking the host, then no antibodies and no resistance... It would be all effect with no chance of anyone's ability to have any chance of fighting against it... As for are they dumb and recless enough to actaully work and mutate a virus for this purpose, the show last night answered that with a resounding yes, so they thought somebody was worth the risk and if not Adam or Peter, somebody coming soon... (Although I think Adam...)

The basic Biology "lesson" was for the other people on the forum to be able to get into our conversation without us being too wordy or exclusive in a more advanced dialog on the matter... Do I think Bob's apperant plan is good? No, but I am not a writer or do I care about what I would have done in the situation/s, but based on logical observation of what I see and hear I can make educated guesses of what is going on or going to happen.

Bob obviously wanted to use the virus on somebody from the start, he tried to infect Monica with an altered strain, and that is fact and not a theory or speculation. Why would he want to infect somebody with a "new strain" of a virus if he wasn't trying to weaponize it in some fashion? Answer, the ability for the Virus to eleminate abilities. Adam and Claire without their powers cannot heal or fight off a virus. Its a double edge sword for their immune systems..

Does the virus stop their power and then attack the immune system or does it attack the immune system and stop powers as the side effect? This is what needs to be considered along with the fact that if Claire is immune or whole part of solution, then 93% of the people in the future would still be alive and Claire would be a hero... Maybe she is a link or part of the solution, but a guy as smart as you can see that she isn't close to being the final piece. I am not disputing if Claire can make antibodies or not, just making a lot of points, not all directed at your post. We both agree partly then that IF Claire can produce antibodies she is at least part of a solution, one which needs Peter to be part of the "trigger". (Or possibly Hiro...)

As for what you do and don't study, how would I or should I know? I can't and don't care to know your field of study. Just because you study something doesn't mean you know what you're talking about... Goerge Bush studied and graduated from an Ivy League school.. Not saying you're dumb but message board credentials are hard to verify and there is no point in listing what you know or try to prove it anyways. I will assume you're the greatest person ever in your field, it doesn't change the plot designed by the writers for this show... You seem quite intellegent and I have no issue with you what so ever.

Alright. What I was a bit unnerved about is that I had just made an (at least) semi-scientific argument about Claire, Adam the virus and what consequences were to be expected and you pretty much discarded and opposed all of it without giving any arguments against my points.

I am not an expert on viruses either and it is in the writers power to adjust or bend Adam's and Claire's abilities as they wish, however stupid the outcome may be from a scientific point of view, but we have to base our discussion on something and that can only be what the series has shown us combined with a few real-world facts and mechanisms.
Moreover, in order to have a sensible discussion we have take up what the other said and respond to it. It seemed to me that the way it went here we just threw in our own allegations without paying any heed to what the other one said. This is something I often observe in discussions and it really prevents progress as it leads to circular arguments.

By the way, I still do not know what you meant with the first sentence in the other post. I still cannot see the connection to what I said before.