At exactly what point did Adam stop off to buy a plane ticket?

No wonder they didn't have the time to watch Nathan heal.

I wonder if he can teleport like Hiro can... Coz when Hiro and the Princess were making out, Adam showed up pretty quick to eaves drop on their moment together.

Even assuming he can teleport, where did he get the money if he's been in a cell for 30 years?

Don't go doing that. You know that isn't true. That is just a WILD accusation and hopefully everyone here is smart enough to know that.

It seemed to me that Hiro and the princess may have been walking for a while. They didn't really give an clues about how much time passed between Hiro teleporting and then the kiss.

Stop with the unproven theories, this was all done in a time lapse of several hours/days.

What exactly was confusing? The OWI prison facility is obviously in or near New York, where the hospital that had Nathan was.

I'm not disputing that the facility is in or near new york. I just want to know at exactly what point after escaping the facility Adam convinces Peter to swing by the airport, then borrows a few hundred clams so he can stroll in there with his 400 year old japanese driver's license and purchase a plane ticket to montreal.

Adam was in jail for 30 years, not 400. He had made a living for himself since feudal Japan (including owning a warehouse in Canada). I would assume he either has strings he could still pull after 30 years, or its just a plot hole

Ahhhh... Ha, good point! No ideas here... maybe they bought one on the internet? Printed it out at their local library? (kidding! I really have no idea.)

maybe hes michas uncle and had him get everything together in no time! jk!

Or maybe he had it all planned out ahead of time. Maybe the ticket wasn't for Peter originally, but he got it changed? Or maybe he has superspeed? Or maybe..I'll stop now.

When and how he got the ticket are a bit of a mystery, albeit not really an important one.

How a 400+ year old man could have massed a fortune is not too hard to come by...

Im gunna bet the GN deals with that later in this week!

Also, he could have easily been lying when he said he'd been there for 30 years. (not sure why, but it's a definite possibility)

Better yet, how did Adam get the box for Peter in the crate?

Or they placed Peter and Adam's cell side-by-side in order to gain his trust and manipulate him.

And by they, I mean Bob and Adam.

Which covers things like...oh...plane tickets, recalling Elle from Ireland after Peter is on the move...allowing the prisoners to speak with one another...not to mention Adam persuading Peter to try a power Peter had no idea he had - and that Adam should not have known he had either.

Who knew DL was in Kirby Plaza? Who told Adam that? Why? Peter didn't know DL - had no idea that was his power or that he had it. Nobody had ever seen him use it before.

The person who knew that knew exactly what happened in Kirby Plaza.

This is a set-up.

Good theory...and I can see it happening...though I'm not 100% sure yet...

I think the box belonged to the irish guys. They just put Peter's stuff (ID/passport and pic of Nathan) in it.

Peter knew he had this power because he used it last season. It was in one of the eps when he jumped to the future and fought with Sylar. He might not have known DL by name or knew that he was in Kirby Plaza, but Peter knew he could phase through walls. He probably told Adam that. Much was left to the imagination about Peter's discussions and disclosures with Adam.

He was there for 30 years. Bob said that he, Bob, has been working for the company for 30 years. What am I trying to say ?

i had the same thoughts..how in the bleep did adam get tickets and a friggin passport?!...i posted on another thread that maybe, just maybe adam is a mole deliberatly planted the the cell right next to peters and was allowed to talk about powers and escape without ever being bothered by elle or bob..this theroy would solve the mystery of the 2 minute plane ticket/passport problem...it was all a set-up




awesome!

Yeah he can teleport himself, that's why he's been locked away for 30 years and doesn't get out until Peter helps him.

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I think Adam is definitely being helped out by someone (Bob or Elle) to make Peter think he's been in the cell for 30 years. There's no way he could have killed Kaito if he had been in that cell for 30 years.

I think Adam potentially knew much more about Peter before he was put in the cell than Adam wants to let on to Peter.

I also think that the box was the Irish guys' box and they just put the stuff in it that they found on Peter.

Uh NO. Peter never jumped to the future to fight with Sylar... HIRO went to the future in "5 Years Gone". That was future Peter fighting with Sylar... and he stayed in the future when Hiro came back to the present.

How the HECK could Peter know he could phase through walls? At Kirby Plaza he was busy fighting Sylar and trying not to explode. After he exploded, he took Nathan to the hospital, ran into Bob, and shortly after had his powers suppressed. Going into Adam's cell seems to be the first time Peter ever used the ability, or even knew of its existence.

NOT TRUE - Peter did not go to the future last season! That was Hiro and Ando. Peter was there, but it was "future Peter", not current Peter in the future.

It's possible that the Haitian left the box in the crate for Peter, but that doesn't explain most of the other plot holes with Adam. If he was in the cell for 30 years he wouldn't know about anything that was going on in the outside world since then. That's a long time and the world has changed a lot since then. How would he know that a certain warehouse in Montreal would still even be there? Producing a passport for Peter was ridiculous. Heroes requires a certain amount of suspension of disbelief, but the writers have just gone too far and the stories just stop making sense.

Adam kills Kaito AFTER the breakout (this episode is set in the past, remember?!). Not saying Adam isn't in cahoots with Bob or Elle, just that that's not a great reason why.

Why is everyone obsessed with where the box came from? Isn't it fairly obvious that Peter's possessions were just 'on him' and later put in the box by the Irish? Hardly a plot hole. I'm sure the passport/plane ticket will be explained in due course...

dude, Peter teleport, so they had alot of time to do things because they didn't have to walk anywhere.

I wondered that too, until I rewatched the scene and noticed that Peter and Adam had different clothes on when they left the facility and when they were at the hospital. I am guessing some hours elapsed before they went to Nathan, giving them time to change, get plane tickets, etc.

dude, Peter look suprised, when he was handed the ticket.

Now this might just be me, but it doesn't seem like anyone here has ever watched any tv or movie at all. Just because something happens in 2 minutes of screen time has no bearing at all on how long events take to happen or unfold in story time. The show is not shot as a real time story. There could have been days between when Peter and Adam "escaped" and when they ended up at the hospital.

It does seem that Bob and Adam are working together though. Bob's reluctance to talk about Adam and his general vagueness when he does indicates that he is trying to hide the truth from Nathan in their exchange. Also, why put a guy who absorbs others powers next to anyone. Then, Why put an "evil" god-complexed immortal next to him? Seems too easy. Plus, there's no way that just elle was keeping Adam in that cell. She may be able to hurt him, but seriously, he could just smash her in the face, break his own arm off and stab her, etc...

I think Adam is still in control, and working with Bob, who is Elle's adoptive "daddy." The problem with this is that why then do they need Peter? If Bob or Adam are actually running the company, why all this fooling around with the virus and whatnot. Just do whatever you were gonna do with it. This show keeps ya guessing...

According to Joe Pokaski, Peter has the ability to recall all of the powers of those he has been in contact with.

This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time.

LMAO



Why is the box so difficult to understand? Peter had a passport, a plane ticket, a photograph of him and Nathan. Those things were in his pockets. Ricky found Peter, took out his belongings and put them in a box.

I agree and why in the heck didn't he fly away after separating from the Haitian, he did use flight to save Nathan. In the future it seemed they had to be in some kind of proximity for the H power negation to work.

So are we all forgetting the bit where Adam sent Maury to kill Bob? Doesn't seem like the actions of someone who is working in partnership with Bob. If the positioning of Adam beside Peter was intended by Bob so they could escape then why would he send Elle after Adam and Peter, zap them both around a bit and then all the way over to Ireland to try and get him back?

One important thing to notice is that it does come up on the screen in big white letters "3 WEEKS AGO" just before this scene [the healing and plane tickets one] and "1 MONTH AGO" before the phasing scene, might be a clue to the time lapse Adam said that he has taken care of everything, plane tickets and money just before he injected Nathan with his blood. I think it's fairly safe to assume that Adam has a nice pad in the city along with a fair few connections from his 400 years that would make sorting this kind of thing out pretty easily.

Oh and Peter's phasing? He has used telekinesis without ever knowing he had it, who he got it from and how to use it before. Why not phasing?

The problem people are having isn't that Peter used phasing without knowing he had it, but that he placed himself into a position that made it obvious he was -trying- to phase, implying that he knew about it when canonically there's been no time for him to find out. The only viable possibility is that he told Adam about Kirby Plaza, Adam recognised DL's description and knew what his power was.

If you think about it though Adam could have known about DL's phasing ability. Linderman was Adam's disciple and Linderman was aware of both Niki and DL's abilities so potentially Adam was as well. He put his hand on Peter's back as if he knew what would happen when he did. It suggests a conversation not shown between Peter and Adam in regard to the phasing.

Solved

I don't think DL is even 30, so Adam was probably imprisoned before DL was even born. If not, he was almost certainly imprisoned before DL's powers manifested. Linderman told Niki that he orchestrated DL and Niki's relationships; I think this occurred after Adam was out of the picture.

FWIW, I don't think the phasing was meant to prod at a plot twist, but rather just a necessity to move the plot along (i.e., the only way Peter and Adam could escape undetected).

DL is 31 but the point about the power manifesting is still valid. That would mean that they knew DL had the Heroes gene when he was born and what his power would be. Due to the involvement in his life from Linderman it is still a possibility that he knew of his ability. Also I think that two people in the photo of the twelve members of the company are the Mother of Niki and Father of DL.

..father of Maya? ...mother of Elle?

Wrong thread, but it's possible that Paulette Hawkins is one of the twelve.

You are an extremely confused individual. Peter didn't jump to the future last season, Hiro did. Hiro never told Peter anything about the future.

Adam or someone in the company had to have told Peter about his phasing power. If Peter discovered that he had it on his own then he wouldn't have been so reluctant to try to walk through the wall. (Although I suppose he could have phased through his bed railing or something and then Adam could have encouraged him after that minor feat).

I checked this just to be sure.

One Month Ago:

Peter puts the fake moves on Elle. Doesn't take his pills (and didn't take them the past 4 days), phases through the wall, Peter and Adam leave.

Cut to scene with the Telemundo Twins. No new date title. (Still one month ago).

Cut to Niki and DL in the club. No new date.

THREE WEEKS AGO:

DL's Funeral

Adam and Peter go to hospital where:
Adam says he has taken care of everything, money, plane tickets, and now he'll fix Nathan.
Adam also makes a bizarre comment about this being the first place the Company will look (which is bizarre because it has been a week already - he should have said "we can't stay because they're expecting you'll come here" - probably just sloppy writing..)
Adam heals Nathan.

ummmm, Hiro went into the future, not Pete

Looking over and thinking through all the various theories about what we've seen so far this season (eg. how Adam knew this or why Bob did that or why Peter didn't do this or how Adam's working with him), it seems that every one of them has holes in it, at least in the sense that if you close the holes of some of the apparent "questions," the other ones are torn open, and vice versa. It doesn't seem to form a coherent picture. Hopefully, this isn't just writing error, but careful set-up, and a satisfactory explanation will be given in the next couple episodes.

The real question is why did he even bother getting Peter a plane ticket, shouldn't he already know that Peter can fly? And teleport?

Unless, he somehow anticipated them being caught, the Haitian going after Peter and wiping his memory so he'd forget he could fly or teleport himself there, and thus he'd need a buy him a ticket to get to Montreal by regular means...

If so, man is he smarter than the drunk we first met in Japan!

These may well just be unintended writing/continuity errors giving birth to rampant speculation. That's the problem when the script for this episode was written by the boss himself, Tim Kring and directed by Beeman.

My guess is that "the boss's work" does not get put through the wringer as much in the writing room as does the work of other writers which is critiqued and challenged for continuity errors more closely.

Doesn't mean we have to like it .

Eh, you should know, Peter's power is always on and off. Besides, he just "recovered" from the treatment. If I were Adam, not sure if I want him to fly me over to Montreal from NYC. Besides, Peter is not a cargo jet, u know