I made a thread like this on the episode where it first turned out he was dead. There was something about his supposed death that I didn't buy. But I still question his deadness. Feel free to call me a moron. When I saw that he recovered from the first gunshot I was hoping my theory would turn out to be correct that his death was some kind of coverup, but oh, then he got shot again.

Still, the way they handled his death seemed a little weird. They don't actually show him die, they don't actually show him dead, they just cut to the funeral reception. I kept almost expecting him to magically show up or there be some hint of him being alive somehow.

I actually found it a little misleading to have him be alive in the graphic novels, then dead presumably from Linderman's gunshot, then alive from having survived that gunshot, then dead again from a different gunshot by some idiot in a club. What was the point in having him alive briefly, and showing him rescuing a little girl from a fire, just to kill him off again?

Well, as long as you condone it...

DL is really dead. Even though I'm wishing he'll come back he's not.

Yeah, I really think he is. (even though I wish he wasn't )

yes. DL is dead.

no more DL

Yeah, he is definitely dead. I don't like the way they did it but, oh well. We seem to be the only ones on here who liked him.

This death was just as lame as assuming he was dead from Kirby Plaza. He clearly saw the gun! He could've phased! They really didn't like the DL character, did they?

This episode just made me want him to stick around

But did anyone else laugh when the blood was splattered all over Niki? It was sad, but it was just so...

I agree, I just think they had to found a way to get rid of him. He never was really one of the main characters. This is one of the things I hate about primetime but, I like this show so much it dosen't matter.

This man can phase through bulllets, What the?

Is anyone else as angry as I am about how they wrote off DL? I kept reading he made the sacrifice for his family when in actuality he died because his wife is stupid. I like Niki but right now I'm furious. This episode clearly showed how great they had it until she decided to be a stupid moron and not take the meds. He died because she was being a stupid, pardon me but its the truth, whore. That wasn't fair to DL. He was one of the greatest characters, he went from being an "ex-con" because he was framed to a Hero! An actual awarded Hero! He knew that guy was coming shouldn't have common sense told him to phase?


Please tell me I'm not the only one this mad!

I don't understand how he was ready to phase for the punch, but not for the gun.
I, personally, would be expecting another punch, or a kick, or a bullet.

He's been sho so many times, they should call him Apoo.

He's dead.

I guess the point of it was to show Niki the consequences of her MPD and bring her to trusting the Company to cure her and ultimately use her.

I'm sorry, but am I the only one that thinks it's a little ridiculous that this character was shot over three times in the course of the series?

He was shot by Jessica, shot by Linderman, and finally shot and killed by an angry clubber. His power is to phase through objects, so you would think one or two occurrences would have been enough to get the point across.

I'm not going to claim racism, discrimination, or anything like that, but I know that I am not the only one that noticed this character has been shot multiple times, is an ex-convict, and is an African-American male. I mean, Jessica even made a comment about how bad he's got it in an earlier episode, so... I don't know, I just think that this character could have been written off a lot better or something. Maybe Gina, Niki's alternate family, could have taken over while Niki was cooking something and a fire starts while Micah is asleep. I don't know. Pretty much anything would have been better than being killed off by an extra while your wife watches helplessly despite her having extraordinary strength.

I actually forgot he'd been shot so many times. I guess he still hasn't gotten a handle on his powers. I think the point is to show that while these people have powers they are still not used to them and react like normal people. Then again it could just be poor writing and an excuse to get rid of DL.
At least he got a couple of cool moments with the fire and in the club. He could still be alive, though. I mean, he survived every other gunshot, right?

I'd like for him to return since I'm a sucker for character nobody does anything with.

*BOWS*
THANK YOU!!!

He changed his life though because we've know that he was framed for his "ex-con" crimes and he was the best family man in the whole show! This was one of the only interracial couples on Prime Time TV too!
Did anyone notice that? Out of all the characters the interractial couple is broken up and DL was the better character!

Wow, I am SO glad to know I am not the only person who really liked DL's activity (and transformation) over the course of the show! I am trying to avoid becoming an extreme fan but the other characters in his circle always seemed so remarkably flakey by comparison (I wished Niki would have killed Bob last week just so she would at least have set herself on doing something. At least once.)

I am not afraid to go out on a limb as well. DL may be dead, he may not. This new Kensei-rade that Nathan got a dose of may be used to bring other characters back later on. Or they may just pull a Beast from Ult. X-Men and have him ambiguously off in "back-up character re-introduction" land until he can return to add some flavor.

Personally, I think killing him was a mistake. I LOVE Monica and the New Orleans direction we will be going (Not enough screen time; also I am very wary of her getting killed) and don't regret this as a result of his death but at the same time there was so much more DL could have accomplished in/for this show and think it is a mistake which may haunt the show later on.

You know, I'd forgotten he had been shot three times.

I can understand that his death may have been needed to achieve the overall picture, but I think that it could have been done in a way that would be more respectful towards the fans of the character. Yes, I'm sure that he had some fans.



This is the type of thing that I have a problem with. The fact that we have to say, "I mean, he survived every other gunshot, right?" They got a little too excessive in dealing with the dangers of life as an evolved human being. Really, if his new job was a firefighter, there were far more threats to him than yet another gunshot.

The episode description for this episode mentioned, "DL makes the ultimate sacrifice for Niki and Micah," but the only thing that I see here is wanton revenge by an annoyed clubber. That is hardly a fitting sacrifice for a hero, and I don't think that anyone at the funeral would have said that he died like a hero. He wasn't protecting Niki, he wasn't protecting Micah, and to top it all off, his power could have outright prevented tragedy. This type of scenario has happened to Isaac, too, but he was able to produce paintings for the others to follow in his death. All DL did was give his power to Peter instead of Sylar in the overall picture unless Niki manages to do something earth shattering in this volume.

They just changed it from a self-sacrifice, a noble death to protect a loved one, to one where Niki was ****** and got him killed

He saved Niki though, and his son. That's heroic. I agree, a gunshot is pretty trite, but a sudden, violent death would sure shock anyone back to reality. And it didn't have to be a necessarily gory ending, a neat bullet will do nicely, thank you. No need to see DL's head burst, etc.

It would have been better to have him die in the fire, the death from that clubber was a F-en disgrace. Shame on them if he is really dead, he must be the most mishandled i have seen in recent memory. Sure he furthered Niki's character development, but he had more then enough essence to be an actual character, and not just a tool.

SHE WASN'T IN DANGER!
The Clubber was after DL alone!



And I mentioned in another post that his sacrifice didn't save his family! It was because the Clubber didn't like that his new ho was going home with her husband

LISTEN UP, EVERONE

if DL had a perfect control over his powers, i bet they could act instinctively.
but he DIDN'T have a perfect control over them.

the guy pulled a freaking gun onto him, DL barely had time to come back to reality before hte guy pulled the trigger.
you have to remember he's still human, he gets scared. he barely had time to get a hold of everything so he can phase.

and as far as the whole "phasing through the punch but not the shot" thing, i'm pretty sure we all saw the punch coming, and so did DL, fistfighting and pulling a gun on someone are two complete different stories, different instincts.

I cannot believe they had to shoot him again while protecting Niki. Really? Why not just let him die from the first bullet.

I'm waiting for DL to wake up from his coma, and freakin' phase his way out of his own grave.

Gina got high, took some drugs, probably sniffed something she shouldn't have. So when Niki got back to Niki, she wasn't quite yourself. So superstrength wouldn't do ******. As I'm sure you know, drugs can have an affect on you

DL's death might almost have been redeemed if Jessica had come out and ripped Gunshot Guy's head off.

As it was, DL's death was the lamest lame that ever lamed. With a side order of lame. Poor guy.

I agree with this.




I am not sure what was with Niki when DL came and got her. You're right that she didn't seem to be all there, but I was under the impression that she was under a lot of stress and was confused about what was going on. She seemed to just kind of stand there when DL slumped to the ground offscreen, not reacting, but that is a realistic reaction. Still, I feel that the entire situation was inappropriate for the character of DL to exit the stage.

Isaac seemed to have no problem using his power while engaging in recreational drugs — so I'm not so sure that would have prevented Niki from doing anything, and I'd prefer to think that she was just in shock or under a lot of stress. It's not unrealistic to stand by idly, but I would have thought that after last season Niki would have gotten the point that Jessica's strength lives on inside of her.

Agreed. Tim Kring should be so ashamed of himself that he would let that happen to one of his characters. If I ever met him, I'd flat out tell him he made a huge mistake.

DL is gonna die every couple of episodes I think...

Let me preface this by saying it could very well be fuel to a completely unnecessary flame, but I just thought I'd pass it along anyway.

A few weeks back I remember reading the Ausiello Report and he had one of his Blind Spoilers. For anyone not familiar with that, its basically where he gives spoiler info regarding a show and/or characters(s), but doesn't say what show or which characters. It then becomes a guessing game for readers in the comment section to take shots at what it is he's talking about. In any case, this one I read said something to the effect of that on one of tv's hit drama's, there would be a character return that fans believed was to be a temporary one, when in fact it would turn out to be permanent. With this new blood cure, I couldn't help but think if maybe he wasn't talking about D.L.'s guest appearances last week and this week, and they'd throw us a curve somehow and have him survive.

Again, there's still nothing to suggest he was talking about Heroes here at all, in fact I don't think he even bother's revealing the answer till after the spoiler has aired and someone specifically asks for clarification, but its just been something in the back of my mind for a while.

Another thing that got me wondering was the possible spoiler thatNiki dies soon. It seems harsh to me to kill off both Micah's parents. Not improbable since he has Monica and Nana now, but still seems odd.

I don't think DL is dead. I think IGotSuperPowers is right. In Volume 3 we'll find out that DL faked his death and has been working undercover with HRG. Then he'll get shot again and be missing from a bunch of episodes while he recovers. Then he'll get shot again, and we'll wonder if he's dead. Then he'll come back and punch someone in the brain. Then he'll trip on a banana peel and accidentally set off a gun and get shot again.

Looked like she was snorting some crack...and a lot of police can tell you that crack heads are mighty strong! It's the adrenaline rush, and they don't feel pain like they usually would. So she should still have her superstrength, I just think she was in shock.

And it does seem odd that they continually shoot D.L. Why not something more original, especially given his ability. Drowning maybe? He couldn't phase all the water forever..I was thinking Jessica came back and killed him. Or maybe dying in the fire saving the little girl. D.L. should have just let Niki go. She would have come back when she came to her senses.

I don't think D.L.'s death will "stick." We have someone who can heal people with their blood, someone who can come back from the dead after being blown to bits - all Niki has to do is get some of Adam's (or Claire's!) blood, dig D.L. up and, well...

I also agree with what most people here are saying. They had the chance to give him a proper death and they chose to kill him off by some jealous random guy we've barely seen this episode? Honestly, I'd rather have had it that he died from Linderman's gunshot instead.

If anything, he should have died rescuing others as a fire fighter rather than by getting Niki out of trouble AGAIN.

Actually, he was shot 4 times. Bob also shot DL lol.

Of course that was only Niki's hallucination courtesy of Maury's powers. But I'm just saying.

Excuse me but this is bs!
Check the first season and you will see how he phased in his battle with Niki many times.
The only reason he didn't phased in the battle with linderman was only to protect Niki that could had been shot.

The reason why he didn't phase this time was to get him killed in a sucky way and that's all.

Another favorite character of me gone in a cheap way. Congratulations to the writers and producers once again for being as lame as they were with his death as also with others (candice, eden, ted and so on..).

Oh well..

People get shot a lot in this show cause its based around our timespan When Hiro went back in time, people got *gasp* stabbed a lot.

Here's what I think. I think that they had to kill him off so that it would show why Niki went to the company. Ask yourself, when you say Niki at the company trying to get healed AFTER kirby plaza and beating Jessica did it make sense? So I think since he wasn't a huge role they killed him off to further Niki's character.

glad i'm not the only one who didn't like how DL went out

like a lot of people have already said, for a guy that could phase he sure as hell kept getting shot a lot!

i mean come on!

sigh...

DL's death was ridiculous, I mean I would have been satisfied if the man who killed him had some special ability but to believe that DL just let the guy shoot him point blank is very hard to believe. That is some lame writing by the writers there.

Pretty lame death if you ask me.

Poor DL just can't seem to dodge bullets.

As I pointed out in another thread, this is the third time DL has been shot, so we should know by now unexpected things like a gun shot are too quick for him. In season 1 when Jessica shot at him, and then she took the second shot, he was prepared.

I'm not happy with how DL died, but I can live with it.

Folks, try to remember that a bullet travels far faster than a fist. For many firearms, the bullet will reach you before the sound of the gunshot does.

DL wasn't expecting the clubber to have a firearm. He had thrashed the guy once, and assumed the guy was coming back for another go with the fists. DL didn't take the guy as a credible threat, and that mistake cost DL his life.

DL appeared to need a moment to focus before phasing. He didn't have that moment, and the writers reminded the audience that it's a dangerous world out there.

Exactly.

And seriously, I think all this flaming is way out of hand. DL has a running history of being involved in really bad, dangerous situations...often involving guns.

It's also the irony of his powers. He's not invulnerable or unkillable or anything. The man can walk through walls. In fact, taken by surprise and being shot is probably the only way you could kill somebody like him.

Maybe you'd like DL better if he had a different power? Because those of you complaining about his death obviously aren't happy with his power's limitations. He's not a permanent ghost...he has to concentrate to make himself that way, and for that..he has to be expecting the danger. As it was, he was 1: distracted by Niki and the guy he just punched in the face, and 2: Solid and perfectly killable.

Do you know how long it takes to react to a gunshot? Obviously not. I understand you are upset that your favorite character died. I liked him too. But, to call the writers morons for something like this is childish and really unnecessary.

His death was a poor choice. I would have voted for Niki though I suppose his death was to act as motivation for her subsequent sacrifice to the company and trucking Micah off to New Orleans to introduce more less interesting characters.

What really irritates me is that DL was the only positive father figure on the show seeking only the respect of his son and the safety of his family. While his character was played out as merely support for Niki's cyclical outbursts that occur every four episodes or so, he really did embody qualities that no other character seems to have. He certainly never sat around wondering how he would ever 'fit in' or 'be accepted.'

Poor decision. I hope it can be reversed.

Did no one notice that when DL was shot he was on Niki's left side, and when we heard the gunshot the blood splatters came from her right side?
Was it just an error, or was it the suppose killer that was shot?

Edit: ok, the killer wasn't shot, he was shown a moment later, so it was just an error I think.

I don't think that the killer was shot. It was likely a production error. Unfortunately, DL doesn't even get a proper death by production standards. Did we even get to see his body? No.

The Bullet traveled through the body and came out on the right side where Niki was.

I agree. they use themes an awful lot in Heroes, one of them seems to be tied to the Niki storyline - her being an assassin, there are lots of gunfights and senseless violence. plus the element of history repeating itself is a big Heroes element - just like Claire can't get away from the same basic plot element, Niki / Jessica is trapped in one, too.

and the core theme of Heroes, that makes it sich an intriguing show - the personal character of each individual strengthens or weakens their ability to use the power. Niki is such a tragically flawed character, it should be no surprise that DL was done for. anyone around her seems to suffer. and I also agree that Niki's time on this earth is short - they have a perfect opening to kill her off now, with the virus and what not.