Peter has the haitian's power now.. does that mean that no one can fight him? He can just deactivate their powers and shoot them with lightning basically... also, why didn't Peter just realize that his blood could do the same thing as Adam's and not escape with him? But I guess, that'd been kinda rude to ditch him there in the prison >_>;?

i think that in order to keep peter from being to powerful as the show likes to ensure they will argue that his powers were off when hes around the Haitian and that he didnt absorb his powers.

Yeah, I could see that as an excuse. And it would make him too powerful. Plus, good guys don't get that kind of power. Only the bad ones do.

Excellent point

Peter can't use more then one power at the same time, so even if he does use the Haitians powers during a battle, he still wouldn't be able to do anything until he turned it off and switched to another power.

Ive seen Peter use 2 powers at once on several occassions.

Even if he used the Haitian's power during a fight, it means he can't use his own powers since he would technically be disabling his own powers.

If Claire's blood can heal too, it doesn't matter - Peter would have it either way.

Examples?

I was referring to the Haitian not Adam, peter has Adams powers.

I can't recall him using two at the same time, but I always thought that was a matter of practice with his powers and he'd eventually be able to?

He was already around the Haitian in season 1 on top of the Devau (spelling?) building. The Haitian and HRG tazored Claude but Peter used his powers to stop the ones coming at him then to fly away so we know for a fact the Haitian wasn't blocking Peter at that point. He should have had the Haitians powers from that moment on and if anyone thinks he might not have been close enough look at how far Peter was away from DL at Kirby Plaza but was able to absorb his power.

i forgot about that! good point!

it's confusing though, because he has used his powers with the haitian around. i doubt the writers (haha or lack of) would write that power in for peter. it would complicate the story line a lot

Becuase Peter's blood doesn't have the regeneration DNA? IT's one marker, but displayed differently, maybe his DNA doesn't have the power.

Examples of Peter using multiple powers at once: On top of the dv whatever building when the Haitian and HRG are there, Invisible and either tk or time powers. Then flying. How about the thing in the last episode, where he either time traveled or was using whatever dream power it was with Charles while he was invisible. Or in 5 years gone when he was invisible and tked the shot to the side? Should I go on and mention the writers also said he can use multiple powers? Or should we argue over things we have already from the last season and have sorted out? Come on people lets move on.

They can't really ignore it though, unless they want to just chalk it up to the "It's television, we can do what we want" excuse. Thanks to Dream, we remembered that he has had his powers on with the Haitian around so should have his power... though that now opens up a whole other mess of why didnt he just shut off Sylar's powers when he had the chance so many times? Ack! *head hurting*



Thanks nuke, I wasn't arguing, I just couldn't recall a moment off the top of my head; though I can't believe I forgot about the bar scene in 5 years gone. Still waiting on getting my box set of season 1 to watch over and over

Peter does not have the Haitian's power. Bob assured Peter that the Haitian had canceled out all of his superhuman powers.

He hasn't used a lot of the powers he has yet. Some have said he used the power of Eden, yet it hasn't been proven. Plus he hasn't used the other Sylar powers yet. The writers with Kring present confirmed Peter has all of Sylar's powers.

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But like dream said, Peter's been around the haitian in season and used his powers so they werent being canceled, meaning he had to absorbed them then.

To nuke:
Out of curiousity, when would he have gotten Eden's power?

Wouldn't peters power mimicry be cancled by the Haitian?

He telekinetically strangled a guy and healed at the same time.

Why do you think that? Its clear now that the Haitian mind wiped him yet he can still remember things. Peter is a slow learner lol, only good way to explain him. Yet He learns, thus the Haitian's actions didn't matter with Peter. Cause those lightning strikes didn't come out of his butt .

Elle could shock Peter while Peter was being blocked. I believe that the Haitian has a bit of control in this.

He ran into her in Mohinders apartment building one on one and even talked to her lol.

off the top of my head, in five years in the future he was invisible and used his tk to move the drink towards his hand.

also, I believe when he was going stuf with claude ... I recall some examples being used from those scene the last bunch of times this question was raised, but I haven't seen it in a while so maybe someone else could recall?


ETA: I guess I type slow! Looks like this has been covered!

aw man, I really need to go back and rewatch some of the older episodes x.x

I don't know bout the haitian controlling who/what he blocks, Peter didnt try to use a power on him until he was in his face; when elle shocked him, he was just running so maybe the haitian wasn't blocking anyone which would be the second chance Peter wouldve had to absorb his ability if for some reason he hadn't already on the roof of Charles' place.

Says who? You? How do we know Peter absorbs all powers he comes in contact with? He's never exhibited more than telekinesis from Sylar.. and who knows if Peter could ever absorb the Haitians Negation power (If the Haitian is always negating, then how will Peter's power work to absorb it - it would be turned off!).



As for Elle using lightning, it was probably an oversight. Although I'd like to think that the Haitian could, if he wanted to, allow one power and keep the others off (as opposed to what he usually does which is shut off everything anywhere near him).

Its already been said earlier; on Charles' roof, Noah tried shooting Peter with their marking gun with the haitian right there and peter telekinetically blocked it and flew off. The haitian wasn't blocking powers at that moment, so Peter's absorbtion ability would be working fine and he would've gotten his power then.

What do you mean never exhibited more then sylar's telekinesis? That's Peter's power, he exhibits other peoples powers all the time: claire-Regen, claude-invis, hiro-time, elle-lightning, and on and on.. o_O

the writers with Kring present said Peter has all of Sylars's powers, plus after watching this episode you should know that he has the Haitians powers.

I think the Haitian can target who's power he is turning off. Elle was still using her shocking ability with the Haitian in the room, but Peter couldn't use his. Theoretically, Peter would have the Haitian's ability, but it takes Peter awhile to figure out his powers. And we know he hasn't been practicing for the past 4 months now, so he just needs more training (We totally need a Rocky training scene w/Peter! )

Working fine? You. Don't. Know. How. It. Works. Sure, Peter's absorbed some stuff. But how do we know he can absorb all powers? We don't. Perhaps the Haitian's power cannot be absorbed. Perhaps he is special that way... and speaking of special...



Sylar has more powers than telekinesis. But Peter has never exhibited anything other than telekinesis out of Sylar's whole bundle of powers. There is no evidence in the show that Peter can use any of Sylar's other powers. Maybe Peter never absorbed them (or absorbed them but can never use them, which is just as useful as never absorbing them in the first place).


So like I said before, we can't assume Peter has the Haitian Sensation power now. People act like they have perfect knowledge of how Peter's powers work, but we really don't. Making assumptions is stupid.

Yes an off the cuff, vague and poorly constructed answer in a Q+A said this, and yet Peter has never ever used any of Sylar's power besides TK, which coincidentally is the only power Sylar has used in Peter's presence. So in the show there is only evidence that Peter has Sylar's TK.




How do we 'know'? You can assume, but you can't know. Peter seems to absorb most powers, but he hasn't exhibited most of Sylar's, and obviously the same could apply to the Haitian - perhaps the nature of the Haitians power makes it un-absorb-able.

******. If Peter couldn't absorb the Haitians ability then how come he can remember? ******

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"If Peter couldn't absorb the Haitians ability then how come he can remember?"

Eh? Adam told him that the healing power could let Peter recover his memories. And besides, the Haitian told Claire that in Season 1 that he couldn't give memories back - he only takes them away. Which means even if Peter has the Haitians power, it would not seem to help him remember anything.

I have an opinion/theory on how his power works, just like you have the opinion that we all should just accept ignorance and not speak until it's spoon fed to us how it works. I'm pretty sure Hiro has never time traveled with Peter, yet he can use both aspects of that power; so yes, in a sense I'm assuming by putting two and two together, and stating that its my opinion Peter can use all the powers of an individual such as Sylar(I mean, Kring and writers stated this, how much more concrete do you need it to be?) he just hasn't used them yet, or needed a reason too.

Also, based on your way of thinking, you aren't allowed to assume that the Haitian's ability is un-absorb-able because you.dont.know.how.it.works. I really don't see a reason for some abilities to not be absorbable by peter just because unless they actually show him be around a power then try to use it and it not work with no reason given(haitians around, drugs, etc) Thanks the back up nuke

Also when he TK's paint buckets while invisible (the paint buckets would have been temporily invisible if he had touched them)

When he is overloading the first time with Claude after the falling on the cab and is clearly listening to thoughts, seeing the future and cycling through other less visual or audible abilties.

He is ALWAYS using his innate ability of empathic mimickry while using any other abilities

He froze time and then used telekinesis to drop taser darts before they resuming time.

Need I go on?

NO! That's not what I am saying at all. I just don't think it is helpful to claim assumptions are fact like a lot of people seem to do. Have all the theories you want, but make it clear that it is just a theory. When people say we "know that he has the Haitians powers" that's bad - it is incorrectly stated as fact. That's unhelpful. I want the facts to be separated clearly from the theory. ("I believe" or "I think" he has the Haitian's powers is much better. Then we can discuss any evidence for and against this theory. Or at least that should be the goal. Instead people freak out because I challenge their assumptions, which is just bizarre).


I merely pointed out we don't know. So I gave an alternative explanation. I said it 'could be' unabsorbable. Did you miss key words that I used such as "PERHAPS" and "MAYBE"? I think you did. (Again, theorizing and assumptions are fine, so long as they are not stated as fact, like many are prone to do).

What I said in Topic:



Since when are facts posed in the forms of questions outside of Jeopardy? My statement was to question Peter having his power and what it could possibly mean, and if it could lead to loop holes in the plot. I'm sorry the forums lack verbal clues and you can't tell an expressed plausible idea from a decree of law on the universe of Heroes. I'm just gonna chalk this up to you being anal retentive about a tv show and end my involvement there for the night. G'night

P.S. Before you report me for attacking your character with the anal retentiveness remark, I was just making an observational statement based on your reasoning, no harm; would you prefer the term OCD?

Wow, so much anger.

I have to say that clay, we really do know that Peter has all of Sylars abilities. It has been said by the writers/creators, and until they decide to change that definition, that is what it is, factually. This episode even goes as far as saying he has no choice in the matter, it happens automaticly, all the time.

As for the Haitian, maybe he doesn't want Peter to have his ability, and cancels out the mimicry or somthing, but seeing as Peter has been in close contact with him, several times, i think it is safe to assume that he has the powers, just no clue how to use them.

Wow, guys. Is this hostility really necessary?

I agree that Peter probably does have the haitian's power and just hasn't figured out how to use it. However, due to the nature of the Haitian's ability, it's impossible for us to know for sure unless we see it.

lol I'm actually trying to be civil about it, but its hard to have a discussion on the show with someone attacking you about how wrong you are in what you say o_O


Of course, by this I don't mean everyone should agree with me, I mean as in being told I'm not expressing my opinion correctly or that my opinion is just stupid assumptions, whilst making an assumption in the process; which is also hypocritical >_>

Are you kidding me? Are you that desperate? Your question was about Peter and fights. But you flat out stated Peter has the Haitians power:

"Peter has the haitian's power now.. does that mean that no one can fight him?"

So the first part of your phrase is stated as fact. So sorry, nice try. In any case, I didn't jump on you for what you said in the OP. I jumped in because people repeatedly stated as fact something that we do not actually know. Speculation is great, but people have to be clear on what they are speculating on...



1) The episode doesn't say it happens automatically, all the time. It says it happens automatically, most of the time. We don't know if Peter can absorb everything he comes across. That's just a guess. Peter has a weird special ability, Sylar is weird. The Haitian and others could have powers which interact weirdly with those two superpowered dudes.

2) The writers making an offhand comment about the show does not equal an in show fact. Why? Because what we have seen so far on the show is compatible with more than one possibility. Because TPTB can change their mind before they ever reveal anything in the actual show. If 5 years from now, Peter is still only displaying telekinesis from Sylar, will you cling to this old comment as 'proof' that Peter has all these other abilities? Sure, you could, but that's not very convincing is it?

The fact remains that there is NO in show evidence that Peter has anything other than telekinesis from Sylar. That is a fact that you should agree with.

And right now, there is no in show evidence that Peter has The Haitian Sensation Power. He very well could have it, but considering how much more ridiculous that would make Peter, I reckon the TPTB are going to claim that the Haitian's power cannot be absorbed.

Yep. In season one, he allowed Nathan to fly away when the Company tried to abduct him.

'Course, now we know why.

Angela seems pretty well informed, maybe to settle this once and for all, she needs to just sit the boy down and run through a list of all the powers he should have.

Peter: so... you're saying I'm pretty much God
Angela: Pretty much.
Peter: sweeeet

"Peter has the haitian's power now.. does that mean that no one can fight him?"

That's two thoughts seperated by the ".." expressed in the same sentence ended with the "?", Bub. Say it out loud if it helps, I have a minor in English; and my fiance has her masters in it and is always ready to correct me in my errors. But aside from that, I still expressly believe Peter's powers to work a certain way, just as you do; we both present elements from the show to back up that ability, except that I like to pull from various sources such as the show's creators(which I still can't believe you'd refuse to accept as fact) and you focus primarily on what you have seen in the show up until this point. Basically, you are simply the close-minded type(not an attack or insult, its just a character trait some people have and believe what is put in front of you) and thus I can understand your point; strictly from the show's point of view theres no way of knowing, and with what's been presented so far you can't say Pete has all of sylar's abilities or the haitian's. I, on the other hand, am more open-minded(not in anyway suggesting I'm right, or superior, just my character type) to possibilities(especially after seeing Matt's evolution of his powers)


Yes, there is something we agree on though is that it would make Peter ridiculously powerful, and chances are the writer's will look for excuses or come up with new universal laws to keep him from being too powerful and having a lot of these powers. I'm just pointing out the hole of possibilities opened up by his encounters with Sylar/the Haitian.

I would think that since he managed to get DL's power who was pretty far away he should have been able to get the Haitian's power when they tried to taze him and Claude since his powers were obviously not being restricted. His power is to absorb all other powers so I really don't see there being exceptions.

ClayAikenRocks - You make it sound like Tim Kring's and the writers thing wasn't official but it was. It wasn't an off hand remark so it is fact as it was official. Just because something isn't in the show or hasn't been shown in the show doesn't mean it doesn't count. If that were true you could say that since the old tracking system(with the tags not Molly) wasn't shown being destroyed then it never was destroyed.

The fights with Peter will still be pretty interesting though because he still has to master them so it isn't like his fights will be completely one sided immediately. Now if he did figure out Sylar's intuitive aptitude I think it is that good game, game over for whoever fights Peter unless it is an older more experienced Empath...

Peter is now immortal, he will figure them all out in time.

I agree. The Haitian can be selective with his powers, including giving his power to Peter.

I think the writers got into a bit of a trap with the Haitian, He is way too powerful. And if Peter could take his power then he could truly dominate the world. I thought the power blocking ability was too strong way back in the middle of season 1.
He could have just walked up to Sylar and blew him away with a gun. Story over.