oh yea btw, THE HAITIAN

is working WITH THE COMPANY AGAIN?!? what the fack?

last i checked he was running away from the company.

Bob's made it clear that this is a different company from the one Linderman was in control of... And that's the perfect excuse for Mr. Bennet to plant the Haitian there as an inside man. The old crew was hunting for the Haitian, but Bob's put on a friendly-face for the Company, on the surface at least. I'm sure he'd make a show of welcoming back the Haitian and guaranteeing him that things are different. Once he gets sick, that's when Mohinder has to go undercover.

I guess with Thompson dead, Angela could just move him over to another branch. They probably had an agreement not to get involved with the HRG thing. For all her flaws, she didn't exactly want her granddaughter used as a guinea pig and killed.

Yeah but he was also dying in Haiti, and he left the company as soon as he could. hmm. . . I smell holes

Obviously he rejoined the Company thinking things have changed, or was working covertly, like Mohinder. We saw that he gave Peter a second chance rather than wiping him and returning him to Bob. I'm sure Bob won't take kindly to the Haitian's meddling and probably decides the Haitian will be the first to experiment the virus on.

Hell, if I ran the Company I would give the Haitian Sensation another chance. And like you guys said, Angela still has some pull, so its not like every one was out to get the dude. Some middle management type was ****** off at him. I am sure everything got worked out after Thompson and Linderman were out of the picture.

so this really doesn't make any sense, First he is with it. Then he is against it to help Angela with getting Claire. Then all of a sudden he is back with the company, no questions asked. THis all happened within a week. I know he can make people forget things but this is a little out of hand. Also we got no explainaion why the Haitian would send Peter off in a crate. We can assume cause he thinks its best for him, but wouldn't he want to please Angela? Did Angela want him to leave?

On a more general note, i was really disipointed with this episode. Aside from the first Act and the little we got about the Peter story line, the rest of the episode was crap. More pointless Maya story line and a couple of cool scenes from Niki and DL but does anyone wonder why he can react to a punch (and phase it through him but seconds later can't do the same to a bullet. Just too many pointless and unbelievable scenes. Split personality disorder is such an uncommon thing. Since when was the tag line "ordinary people with exstrodinary abilities, with extrodinary mental diseases"

I usually doesn't like to dis the show cause i figure i can vent to my friends but i really want to know what other people think. Saying how bad it was usually gets a good response. Everyone please tell what you thought about the episode as a whole and specificly the Haitian and other things i mentioned.

Personally, I loved this episode.

I do think it's odd about the Haitian, though. But he was on the run from the company before because he was hiding Claire. Claire's grandmother Angela is connected to the Company, and both Linderman and Thompson are dead, so maybe there was some shifting of priorities or something. I'm sure they still wanted Claire, but the Haitian didn't know where she was, anyway. He's still an invaluable asset to the Company, so they probably overlooked the whole thing.

I also loved this episode. If I remember right, didn't last year's season end with the Haitian and HRG parting ways, and the Haitian going back to the company as a cover? That would explain why, in 4 months later, he would still be working with the company.

In any case...great episode...beginning to end.

You dare question the Haitian?!Wait in your room for a mindwipe blasphemer!heh..the Haitian is like one of those spy transformers...able to change allegiances at will

That's correct, and probably the reason Noah put Mohinder in the company, since the Haitian got too sick to keep up the spying.

The Haitian has another agenda, I am sure of it. Thats why alot of what he is doing seems to be strange, when he could just be playing a double agent. I am sure all will be known regarding him eventually.

As he said to Peter, "I owe a lot to your mother."

he was helping claire in secret while still working for the company. angela wouldn't want him to be a prisoner of the company, so yes putting him in the box is more favorable to her.

the Haitian does what he thinks is right. he was probably looking for a good oportunity to help peter. which he took when peter and adam ran for it.

How does that not make sense? They've shown plenty of times that he can't phase unless he actively wills to do so. Remember when he was shot by Linderman? He is vulnerable if you catch him off guard. And this guy shot him in the back. What's more off guard than that?

why are we even talking about DL in this thread?

Because the OP posed a question about him not being able to phase through the bullet that was shot into his back. It's a valid question even if he's no longer on the show.

Because all bald black men look alike?

Seriously now, there is a whole actual thread on DL... no need to talk about DL here when he was just briefly mentioned in a much bigger post.

Back to the topic of the Haitian.

I don't think the Haitian has ever worked against the Company. At least not outright. When he hasn't been following the orders of an immediate superior in the Company, like Noah Bennet or Bob, the Haitian's been taking instructions from Angela Petrelli. I think Angella has to still be considered part of the Company. She may belong to some faction of the Company, but she's still part of the Company. And her direct instructions to the Haitian have been consistent with the Company's goals, i.e. take Claire to Paris, watch over Claire, etc.

The thing with mind-wiping Peter may have been a direct order from Angela Petrelli or it may have been the Haitian acting on his own in a moment of compassion. It's not clear, but it seems like a minor distinction without greater implications.

The Haitian can block people's powers and memories, so of course he gets a bit more leeway to do what he likes than others. Whether he has is own personal agenda or not isn't clear as of yet, but he obviously has loyalties to various figures that may not all be siding together. At some point I think we will see his character developed further, but I really don't think it will be for quite a while.

Here's my gripe with the Haitian storyline. Last Season in either Company Man or Parasite, When Eric Roberts was questioning Bennet about how Claire dissappeared, He states that the "Haitian has clearly gone rogue", in otherwords against the company. Everyone saw what happened to Claude when he went against the company.

Then we come to find out the Haitian has been working with Angela Petrelli and that is essentially the last scene we see of him during season 1. Apperently since that scene, he went back to working full fledged for the company. Perhaps this could be the result of both linderman and eric roberts being killed off...but, everyone just forgives him for going rogue? Did the direction of the company really do a 180 degree turn in the days after?

So now he is back to working with the company, he locks Peter up in a shipping container, mind whipes him, and tells him he is doing it as a favor to his mother. From what I got out of this scene was that he wanted Peter to start a new life somewhere else, keeping him out of danger from the company. If that is the case, how did Elle know that Peter was locked up in the container when she went to look for him in Ireland? Surely Elle is for the Company, more so then the Haitian...but did she just allow the haitian to hide peter from the company? Was this ultimately part of the company's plan?

We know that after this encounter the Haitian somehow is infected with the virus, the company sends Mohinder to heal him, and then the Haitian mind whipes mohinder after saying the line "There's always a company..." He then goes rogue again working for Bennet..

IT just sort of confusing why he would opt out of working for the company, then opt back in, then opt back out again. Perhaps he was given the shanti virus from the company after it was revealed that he was hiding peter, and now that he is healed he is now agains the company again?

I have offically given myself a headache.....

Roberts and Candace are dead, no one to question the Haitian now.

I agree 100% that the Haitian's story line doesn't make any sense for all the reasons already mentioned. That all needs much better explaining from the writers. Another thing is how does Angela fit into all of this? She apparently didn't know Peter was still alive (or did she?). If she, the Haitian, and the company were all together, why didn't she at least visit him while in the company prison?

Yes, blagayez is the only one that seems to get it. HRG blamed Claire's getting away on the Haitian. That was the whole point of the end of the episode "Company Man", where the Haitian mind-wiped HRG so that he wouldn't remember conspiring with him. So therefore, at that point, according to the company, the Haitian has gone rogue and has taken Claire and is hiding her.

Now, after this, the Company does find out that HRG is lying, and does know what happened to Claire, but then all that reveals to them is that the Haitian was working WITH HRG to hide Claire, and AGAINST the Company.

There is never a reconciliation of this, meaning that the Haitian never gets back with the Company.

Now, all of a sudden, about a week after this, the Haitian is back working for the Company.

Everybody see the flaw in the logic now?

I don't think Bob and Linderman have worked together in quite awhile. I think they belong to different factions, which splntered from the original.

This is what I think we are supposed to believe.

The Haitian has been taking orders from Angela the whole time and has only been pretending to work with HRG / Thompson / Linderman.

Angela is with the company, or a faction of the company of some sort. The Haitian never stoped working for Angela's side of the company. Since he is with Bob shortly after the events of Kirby Plaza, it is safe to assume that Angela sent the Haitian to Bob to help clean up the mess.

If we were to build the power structure of the company prior to Kirby Plaza it would probably work something like this:

Linderman -> Thompson -> HRG

Angela -> The Haitian

Bob - > Elle

Linderman, Angela, Bob are the CEOs

Linderman is the chief CEO.

Linderman dies, and Bob takes over with support, via the Haitian from Angela.

So the Haitian never left the company. He was always just working for a different "department" if you will.

One thing about Angela is that she probably knew she could bring back Peter’s memory. In Season 1, Peter is seen having dreams, which initially was offered as a skill he was able to acquire from his contact with Isaac Mendez, but Isaac’s powers are quite different from this visual dream-state, so at this point, my guess is this power is adapted from his mother, Angela. If Adam, or some other supernatural power, were having Peter randomly travel to the near future to the Quarantine facility in New York as seen on one of eight paintings Isaac left behind, it was done knowingly. Peter was meant to see the future, and come in contact with his mother, who gave him back his memory.



Then the question regarding the Haitian and his loyalty to Angela might be that Angela possesses a counter-power to his. Since many of the older generation members trained their younger generation of their powers, as seen with Claude, the invisible Aussie, perhaps Angela was the one who took the Haitian under her and trained him of his powers, eventually freeing him of this internal conflict he had about his power and his spiritual self.



BTW, “they” still think the Haitian does not speak. No one is able to read his mind, they need his power to achieve a greater “good”, etc., so him being back in the company without having any questions asked is not really unrealistic, in the sense of this series.

IDK... I think that he does whatever Angela wants him to. And he was probably IN the company, just not WITH it. He was inside of it, working with the outside. Every take down job needs an inside man.

If Angela, Bob, and the Haitian were all in cahoots, then why did Angela seem to think that Peter was dead? Even if she really did know he was alive, she apparently never visited him in the company "hospital". There are too many plot holes that need filling in.

lol..
You people do realize this episode is in the past? Before season 2.

After wiping Peter's memory he went into hiding and got sick.

If Peter knew the Haitian could block his power then Peter had that ability too. I know he didn't see the zap coming from Elle but you would think he would be able to block the Haitian's ability and turn it back on him.

There is already another thread on the Haitian.

http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?showtopic=61358

Yeah, the writers have some explaining to do.

When did he stop working for the Company? When he took Claire from HRG? If I remember correctly, he brought her straight to Angela (or at least there were indications that he was working with Angela), who isn't exactly unaffiliated with the OWI.

I believe that the Haitian has always worked for one of the factions in the company. It is far from monolithic.

Some of it kinda makes sense if you think about the change in structure at the company with the deaths of Linderman and Thompson. Bob has stated on a few occasions that The Company is different now and seem [on the surface] to be back to their original intentions of saving the world with the help of people with abilities. Angela was in on the bomb plot with Linderman but I got the impression that Bob never approved of this. If he is now the most senior of the original members and running the company [or this arm of it] then he has no reason to tell Angela that Peter is alive as he is protecting the world from people with dangerous abilities.

As for the Haitian, he seems to have gone against the wishes of the Linderman -> Thompson -> HRG line in the company by his actions at the end of the 1st season. We never did find out if HRG asked the Haitian to take Claire to Angela so we can assume that his loyalties switched to her side within the company at this point. It's only an assumption but I think his return to the company may have been to try and track Peter down for Angela Petrelli. His actions at the end of the episode certainly seem to suggest that. There are a few questions yet to be answered but it could be a possibility that letting Peter go had something to do with his infection with the virus. Maybe a test subject for Bob, who did not expect the Haitian to regain his abilities when he sent Mohinder after him, more hoping that this strain would be the one to remove abilities permanently. It would seem a little odd that he did what he did to Peter and then went and voluntarily told his captors exactly where to find him, a little torture from Elle could have got the answer out of him.

I could go on filling in the gaps and guessing at what happened, as could most of us. Just a shame that such big plot holes have been left in such a good character's story. Fingers crossed though, they tied it all up nicely at the end of season 1, maybe the same will happen with everything in this story.

Most Probably Bob injected him the virus because he let Peter get away from the place. And that's when Mohinder has to go to save him, and since he no longer trusts Bob he goes with Bennet to take him down. Or at least that's what I would do if I were the Haitian.

I think the only plot hole is how Nathan managed to grow a beard that big in two weeks ... Because it was said that Adam escaped two weeks ago... So... Well... just my thoughts...

this is exactly what i was trying to get at, although it was late when i posted and i wasn't being clear.

As far as i am concerned all the explainations i have herd so far are plausible and the idea of their being different parts of the company with different people running them with different ideologies, is pretty convincing. I am still disapointed that we did get any real answers about what the Haitains motives are other than what we already know, he really is working for Angela. Maybe if this is all the writers are giving us then maybe its as simple as that. Maybe Angela is the real mastermind behind the company as a whole. Hopfully we get more infomation about the Haitian and Angela before the end of the volume/season. (How sad is it to think of the end of a season this early. Damn you writers strike, just give the writers what they deserve!)