Claire grows back her skin, bones, and watever else but she will still age i believe. but adams kind of reborn explaing why he has immortality

What do you think?

I'm going with my Star Trek: Insurrection theory. The people on that planet gained their immortality from the rings of the planet, and would still age, but not beyond their late 30's/early 40's look. My guess is this is what happens to Adam/will happen to Claire.

My guess is that they stop at the age their particular power first manifested. With Claire it was in her teen years, with Adam it was older. If the writers would have us believe that aging is just the destruction of cells over time then it would make sense that a person able to regenerate and replace cells would be un-aging (I won't say immortal, 'cause we don't know the limits yet).

adam can't be killed, he said so himself. otherwise they would have killed him already. we've seen that claire can be killed. their powers are different. he's immortal.

[looks around for Leek]
[whispers] _{I think he's immortal}

Bingo!

What if someone seperates his head from his body?

Will they get his power?

Wait! Am I watching the Highlander or Heroes?

From what I understand, there is maturing (growing up, aging from youth until young adult) and then there is "getting old" (decaying cells)

I think that it makes sense that cells would continue to mature in a positive way (growing up) until they hit their peak (mid-20s maybe?) .. at that point, cells may begin to decay, but not for these "healers"

Claire heals her own injuries, save brain damage. She's had this power for a while because she survived the fire her mom started when she was a baby. Therefore, Claire's power if healing, not immortality, and allows her to age normally.

Adam has immortality, which seems to incorporate healing. His power seems to preserve his body in a 'frozen' state from when it manifested, always returning to the same state, which explains why he looks the same age as 300+ years ago and why he was able to recover himself after becoming Kentucky Fried Kensei after the explosion in 1671. Re-watch the ep, he was lying there as a completely charred corpse. No way the brain would survive when the rest of the body is smokey and crispy. Therefore, Adam's power =/= Claire's

I'm pretty sure this guys got it right and it sounds a lot more plausible than all the crazy theories I'm seeing in this thread. This makes the most sense...

-Age

claire didn't heal as a baby, watch the GN bennet saved claire from the fire, her power became active in six months ago.

proof that claire + adam have the EXACT same powers. Peter got his healing powers from Claire. Right? When peter exploded, he IMMEDIATELY went back to normal + flew to save Nathan. This suggests that if Claire was placed in the same situation, she would do the exact same thing, that Adam did when he was blown up ages ago in Japan. The only reason why claire didn't heal so quickly when she had a pole (?) through her head, was because it was stuck there, but once removed, she was back to normal. Adam would probably be the same. this suggests that claire will be immortal like adam in hundred years time.

adams physical state frozed immediately after he gained his imortal ability

claires dont, u want proof? 5yrs into the future eps from s1, she ages!

also something i noticed, when adam's heart/body was staked with arrows/sword, he was conscious and alive. This is something claire can not do, but Peter can. Want proof? Irish bar shooting scene - 2 bullet to peter's chest but he was still conscious,

im assuming peter has adams power and is immune to death

Just my mad ramblings...

I seem to look upon Adams power as litterally being in his blood!

His blood is being pumped around his body and sustaining all cells not to decay and not to age etc, he's been shot with arrows and stabbed (probably countless times) etc and stood there and took it, the blood is at the source of the intrusion (lightning on his hand) and regenerates the damaged cells almost instantly. If he was to lose his head or a limb... I'm wondering if the damaged cells would just regenerate whilst being cut so it wouldn't be possible for the 'bit' to fall off. I wonder if he feels pain ? Claire obviously does!

Claires is controlled by a part of her brain so if it was damaged with something jammed into it, she's effectively dead, but remove it and it starts to heal. We have seen her die a couple of times including when she was dropped.

Like someone said earlier, Peter probably has this as he was shot several times in the pub and stood there watching it! I was wondering if Peter could actually take Adams power.. as i see it more as a disease and not a mutation, but I think he has already unwittingly.

I think they have the same power, claire just isn't in full control of it yet.

I agree, Claire will continue to age into adulthood but rather than grow old she'll stay reasonably young and has the potential to live as long as Adam. This suggest that her blood should react the same as Adam's does as well.

I agree. It's like Bob said about Matt, that he had the same power as his father. Matt just didn't know how to use it yet.

I think when she's in full control of it, someone could shoot her through the chest, and she wouldn't even blink.

This is a really weak argument on several fronts.

First, it doesn't counter the majority's argument that Claire will stop aging when she reaches her peak age of the mid-20's. In 5YG, Claire would have been around 23. According to the majority theory, she would have still been aging for another few years.

Second, you have no proof that she physically aged in 5YG. Looked to me like all she did was dye her hair or wear a wig, and you know that's all that happened in real life. Was there any objective indicia in 5YG to show that she had aged? Was she taller? Did she have more white hair? Nothing of the sort from what I saw.



This is not what I saw. I saw Adam get shot in the heart, say something to Hiro and then go unconscious. Hiro pulls out the arrow and Adam is revived. I don't remember seeing Adam stabbed by a sword, although we know it happened off screen a number of times.

Furthermore, we have seen Claire sustain fatal injuries and remain conscious. The clearest example of this is when she was tackled by a football player and had her neck broken and twisted. She just got back up and turned her head the right way.

When Adam went into the sword smiths tent, the guard impaled him on his sword. Adam never flinched. However, Adam was older than Claire, and had seen many, may more battles than Claire.

Oh my god, Peter EMITTED a Radioactive blast, he didnt explode physically

Claire and Adam have the same power, Adam just knows how to USE his. I know everyone thinks the regeneration is an automatic ability but your forgetting a very important part in 4 months ago. Adam tells Peter he has the same power as him now and can heal his mind, he just has to think bout what's important to him. He did and his memory came back. Peter had healed himself back at the Irish Pub physically but he didn't repair himself mentally automatically. I hope that makes sense.

Look at it like this. Adam walks into a fight and knows he's going to get stabbed and shot but he is prepared for it and ready to USE his ability. Which is why the first time he's shot with the arrows in front of Hiro he apparently "dies" and then revives, but when he is stabbed with the sword in front of the tent holding the swordsmith he is ready for it and knows he won't die. Therefore, he doesn't "die" he just pulls it out and regenerates immediately. After 400 years he's able to us his ability at any moment at any time. Claire doesn't have that kind of concentration or control of her ability and neither does Peter. What they are doing is the crude form of their ability (like matt and his mind reading, JUST THE BEGINNING) Once they learn to master it like Adam, no one will be able to kill them. EVER. And I am also talking about the stick in the brain thing, cause if it was that easy the company would've lodged a steel beam right through his head and kept it there. He's too powerful now. He won't let them do that to him.

I guess what would settle this is a spike to Adam's brain. He said they CAN'T kill him. When Claire had the stick in her head she was dead but completely came back. We don't know if there is a time limit on this sort of thing. As long as she has a stick in her head it won't matter if she can't be killed or not. She will be immobile for all eternity which is dead enough for me. Would that mean her soul would never leave her body as long as there is a stick in her head? Would she not age with a stick in her head? We don't know but the 300 year old guy says he can't be killed. Being blown to bits would have a similar effect as a stick in the brain I would think. Do their brain bits scoot along the ground like the T2 metal and then make a brain again? As I said somewhere Adam is an immortal. The other heroes are this evolutionary process that Mohinder discovered. I think they are two different animals. Otherwise, there would be another 12 before the 12 and another 12 before that. If it turns out that every last one of them are decended from one of Adam's many wives that's fine. I would think that if it turns out that Claire's blood is the same as Adam's I would be disappointed because the medical examiner having to pull it out. I would think that a little of Niki's blood would make someone a little bit stronger or Nathan's blood would make you lose 40 pounds.

Claire was "killed" yes, but when the stick was removed from her brain she regenerated (which counters something someone else said about her not regenerating brain tissue).

The limitation is that while a foreign object is in the body, the body cannot regenerate around it. Thus Claire was fine when the stick was removed, and Peter was fine when Claire removed the piece of glass from the back of his head. Both regenerated their damaged brains (unless you want to argue that both Peter and Claire currently have brain damage).

There is no evidence to say that this works any differently in Adam. His wounds from the arrows did not heal until Hiro pulled them out of his chest.

So either of them could be "temporarily killed" by jabbing something into the back of their heads and leaving it there, but to permanently kill them is another matter entirely.

In all honnesty, I truly believe that this whole aging until mid 40s thing (ala, adam, superman, star trek, wolverine, etc.) Can easily be explained in one of two ways.

1. A healing process doesn't prevent maturing, and growth. It does however prevent wounds, and deterioration. Hence, when a person reaches full maturity/growth (mid-life) around their late 30's early 40's. They stop aging, because, they're no longer growning and their power allows them to not deteriorate via aging.

2. It's easier to cast and film 30's-40's people, and just say they haven't aged.

Now the difference between Claire and Adam's power..none..you'll see.

thanks

From what I can tell, there has been nothing on screen to show that Adam and Claire have different powers in any way. In fact, I'd say the opposite is true and that everything we've seen indicates it is the same power, which is cellular regeneration.

Claire gets hurt, she heals. Adam gets hurt, he heals.

Claire has something impaled in her brain, it has to be removed before she can heal. Adam, we've never seen a brain injury, so we don't know, therefore we can't make a comparison on this issue.

Adam stopped aging around the point of maturity into an adult, Claire hasn't reach that age yet, so again, we can't make any comparisons.

It seems to me that the comparible facts at this point would say that they have the same power. Speculation may lead to them having different powers, but the facts don't support it at this time.

And I don't think Adam is technically immortal, it's a nice word to throw around, but I put it on par with calling Peter an empath. Adam can be killed, it's just very hard to do. As suggested by Adam himself, cutting off his head would kill him, or as Bob may be planning, a virus could also kill him. There is a difference between hard to kill and impossible to kill. If Adam was truly immortal, his skin would not be able to be broken, thus his body could not be physically seperated into pieces. The powers are evolutionary, not magical. He may be able to heal from a wide variety of injuries, but if he is seperated from his body, it would be physically and biologically impossible for a severed head to remain alive on it's own. Same with other biologically neccassary functions, he would still need oxygen to his blood stream, and food and water. A person can't survive with-out sustinance, regardless of abilities. (unless they have some type of "solar power" power).


But what I really want to know...how could Adam have cellular regeneration powers in the 17th century, cells hadn't even been discovered, which means they didn't exist yet, so how could they regenerate?

Exactly. They all have the same power. Cell Regen or Healing. Calling someone that is living Immortal is illogical anyways, regardless of how hard it is to kill them. I'm pretty sure being thrown in an Active volcano, melting, and having your remaining supercells dissipate and be trapped in cold hard rock could be called dying. Maybe a bath in Hydrofloric Acid, which eats through everything, that should work... Why not just throw him into the sun? That can't NOT kill him. Maybe his power has evolved to the point where a headshot would just kinda ****** him a bit until any foreign objects were removed, who knows... But killing him, definetly possible, but just a whole lot harder than someone else. The thing is, he'll proably just kill you first if you're trying to kill him. He's been a bada$$ for the last 400 years, he's smart, he's charming... all the indications of an arch-villain. I think Adam's most likely still running the show at the OWI. Just my $0.02...

Adam said "If it were possible to kill me I'm sure they would have". When did he say that cutting off his head or a virus would kill him? I know a body needs oxygen but Claire didn't have it for at least 8-10 hours. She cut off her toe and grew a new one. The cut off toe was dead. If her head is cut off do we know for a fact she won't grow a new body? Evidently the heart has nothing to do with anything because it wasn't beating when she was autopsied. I know what you are saying but you're talking about on screen evidence to make your point but you're making some other medical points and ignoring on screen evidence.

Well, you do make a good point there, though in Claire's autopsy situation, I would say that Claire was either "dead" or in some type of stasis at that point, which means her body did not need oxygen. It's possible the same thing would occur if her or Adam were trapped underwater, that they would be "dead" until brought back into the open air, at which point they would come back to life.

I just can't physically see how a head could regenerate an entire body, the body has to be created from something and the head does not store enough minerals and other neccassary materials to reconstruct an entire body. I guess It could be possible, if it was a long and slow process and involved eating a lot. But it still doesn't sit well with me as to fitting into a evolutionary process.

But either way, it still seems they have the same power.

I am continually mystified when someone concludes they have different powers.

They both heal.
No one has proved Claire NON-immortal.

And while Adam cannot be killed, he certainly can be stopped... if not by a spear through the part of his brain where powers come from, they could simply encase him in solid concrete... but they decided not to do that.

Why didn't they use Adam's blood? Why do they need Claire? In 30 years they should have had enough blood saved up to cure every illness on the planet. Was he keeping it a secret that his blood cured people? If they new his blood did the trick and only need Claire's because he has escaped then why are they wondering if it will work?

we dont know if he's tried all sorts of things like Claire did, like everyone says we dont know the limitations to his abilities, when that gun housing thing blew, he may have just burned get thrown around a bit and left befor hiro showed up, so we dont really know how he got out of that one, but with claire she learned that she has limitation, a stick through the brain yadda yadda, we dont know if this happend to adam, and im thinking if it did within the first 100-200 years of living i think someone woulda just tossed him into a hole to bury him. what if you were to sufficate him, take alll the oxygen out of the air, his brain would have no oxygen to perform and stop there deth, the oxygen isnt his so he cant reproduce it

just because humans are ignorant to something's existence doesn't mean it's not there. I know religious people would agree with that.


Btw, I'm aware you were just kidding.
you were...right?

why the HELL do you people think he has a different power than claire? what has EVER shown you ANY evidence of that?

It's what they don't show. We haven't seen him with a stick in his head and we haven't seen her blood cure anyone. It's probably the same power but I'm going to wait until they say it for certain.

i guess so. but the creators of the show have made it pretty clear that this volume has duplicate powers all over. west, maury, and adam.

She died. Twice. One in the future where Sylar got to her. Another in 5YG.

Adam SAYS he can't be killed. That doesn't mean that there's no way for it happen, just that he doesn't believe there to be and no one else has found a way yet. He could very well have the same weakness Claire has, or used to have it.

They have the same exact power, his is simply stronger by around 400 years. We don't know if Adam's immune to the weakness Claire has been displayed as having, but even if he is, should Claire live long enough her power would probably evolve to remove that weakness as well.

Claire has NOT been killed...she has been, put in a coma like state, by having something logged in her brain...same with Peter, but NEITHER died per se...

She was killed by Sylar in the original timeline Future Hiro came from and in Five Years Gone she was killed by Sylar while posing as President Petrelli.

Until proven otherwise, you are correct they have been shown having the same exact power.

I think Adam Monroe is what Marvel would call an External.

Externals are mutants who, in addition to having powers from their already active genetic mutation, are gifted with near-immortality. Like the immortals from the Highlander series, an External's immortality manifests at the point of initial mortal death. After which, they have extreme longeivity and durability to age and injury. Though tye can be killed via life energy abosrption, decapitation, or a virus that targets their specific gene.

It seems like a similar concept, or Adam's healing power has given him the longeivity.

What would happen if Adam's head was lopped off? Would a new body grow under it, or a new head pop up?

Or would his body be staggering around trying to pick up his head to reattach it.


I think that would kill him. Destroying the brain of any of the three healers would do the same.




Remember that Sylar could not get Eden's power after she ventilated her head with a bullet. In the same way our three 'immortals' could be killed.



Now I would guess that Adam could probably prevent Sylar's laser finger trick. He could heal it quicker then either Peter or Claire.

Do not bother with them. I have been fighting this fight for some time now. Some people just cannot be brought to think rationally.

Renrut,

During their encounter (i.e., Peter and Adam/Kensei) at White Beard's camp [re: "Out of Time"] Kensei invites Hiro to kill him by cutting off his head.

Hero Freak,

Bravo!...well said.

Creator

Um, I don't remember Adam getting any sort of Fedex package with instructions as to the limitations of his new power when it manifested after he got shot by those arrows. He can't possibly know that cutting off his head would kill him, as it's not exactly the sort of thing he'd be willing to test. He was just saying that to Hiro because he FIGURED it would kill him. There's no way he could actually know if it would or wouldn't. Being that it was the 17th century and to his knowledge no one had ever survived a decapitation, it seems like a solid statement. But Adam most likely was wrong, as 336 years later no one's ever found a way to kill him. He's probably been "mostly dead" (Thanks to The Princess Bride for that one) a bunch of times. Completely dead, well, it's just never happened. Considering the way his charred body looked after the explosion, I'm pretty sure that he'd be fine if you lopped off his head.

Their powers are the same. Given his experience, Adam may have more conscious control over his power (heal faster or target a more critical area to be healed first). Right now, Claire's power seems mostly involuntary - probably due to her inexperience. Give it time.

Since these powers are controlled by the brain, if Adam or Claire are decapitated, the head would grow a new body. The brain is not physically damaged by decapitation.

In order for the Claire and Adam types to die they must be morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely, undeniably and reliably dead. No only must they be merely dead, but they must be really most sincerely dead. Maybe that will happen with decapitation or maybe they will grow a new body. Can't wait to find out. Who knows? Maybe Sylar can eat Adam's brain, then pass it through the digestive system only to have him reconstitute himself in a sewage treatment plant.

I personally think that should you cut off either of their heads they would be dead, dead-dead.

Unless there's some kind of mystical energy that fuels their shared power, the head does not contain the necessary energy to power the kind of healing/cell division/whatever is necessary to recreate a whole body.

It all comes down to Calories (or energy for the body, more specifically Kilo-calories). Unless they are part Babble Fish or are solar powered or simply draw energy from X source to fuel their repairs.

As several people have stated before, this is physical not mystical and we simply have not see enough of the powers to draw a conclusion either way.

If either of them were to lose a significant amount of mass, it's my belief they would need serious amounts of energy to heal the wound, either in the form of Fat reserves or calorie intake.

Neither power implies they can create mass from nothing, or create energy for the healing from nothing, though it's possible I guess but I would feel that would pass into the more mystical.

Anyway, I babble.

And I think Adam is pretty full of himself. If you had survived everything he had, you might get cocky too. I'm not going to take this as proof. If the company wanted to kill him, they would have tried. Remember they have the Haitian. Not to hard to kill anyone with him around.

I still think Claire and Adam's powers are identical.



Lol. The Wizard of Oz.

Thanks for noticing. I was afraid that nobody would see it after Darksfallen made his/her babble without mentioning it.