How it is that Nathan is dropped off at the Hospital some minutes after the explosion with bad burns - by a man who can only be described as caucasian, about 5'9"- 5'10", 145-155lbs, in his late 20s or early 30s, brown hair with long bangs who ALSO looked like he had been in an accident or near a fire...

And Angela Petrelli does not ask who brought Nathan in - and does not get an even general description - and does not suspect it was Peter?

Plot hole. No WAY does Angela Petrelli believe Peter is dead. No way. She always expected him to survive the explosion SHE HELPED TO PLOT in the first place - but now she thinks he is dead?

How do you get there? What feats of logic and nonsense do you conjure up to suppose the viewer buys in to that?

I totally agree.

A man falling from that height would be as sure as dead, even if you were to try and explain it away as "he landed on water" from even a minor height, the impact of hitting water kills you just the same.

Since he was unconscious he couldn't possibly have safely flown himself back down, nonetheless to hospital. Maybe the Company ordered the Haitian to mess with Angela's mind and take any memory she could have that would clue her in that Peter could survive, because no other way to explain away that she isn't smart enough to know that Peter didn't die in the explosion. You're right, she even said he wouldn't die because of Claire's ability last season!

It doesn't add up does it?

You gotta use your head for things like these. Maybe she thinks Nathan used all his strength to get to the hospital and passed out when he arrived.

She does know that Peter is alive. Think about it. The Haitian erased Peter's memory and locked him in that shipping container. The Haitian also works for/with Angela Petrelli, in addition to being a double agent with The Company. It's not unlikely that the Haitian was working under orders from Angela when he whiped Peter's memory and locked him up. We have seen this before when he didn't erase Claire's memory after being ordered to by Noah. I think he said something along the lines of "I work for someone of a higher authority in Claire's life", or something like that. Not to mention we know that Angela speaks in half truths, and indirect answers, constantly manipulating; as Nathan told everyone in Bob's office.

I agree... she must have known that the company had Peter. She is lying...the reasons...well that one is tough to figure out. I still believe that she, Linderman and Maury were working with orders from Adam and now she is fearing for her life because she failed in the bomb plot. The haitian is still working with her, so one must ask: is the Haitian an unwitting pawn of Adam, without knowing it? Damn Tim Kring...questions and more questions LOL

Good Point! I hadn't thought of the Haitian being an indirect pawn of Adam's. The thing with Linderman, Maury and Angela all being disciples of Adam's would clear up why Angela was only attacked and not killed. It may have played out that way to draw attention/suspicion away from her. Linderman wasn't killed by Maury, so we don't know that Adam is out to kill his disciples. He may just be playing things this way in order to keep his identity shrouded in mystery as long as possible.

I didnt think about that. Maybe you are right, the whole attack on Angela could just been a smoke screen, to make her look like she is a victim. Still i question why she decide to confess about the Kaito's murder? Is she really scare for her life or its all part of the plan? All i know is that if the writers go this way, its gonna show Adam as the ultimate puppet master...how cool is that?

I would have to say all part of the plan. If not I would say it was a decision that was made on the fly, and the reasoning she gave to Parkman could very well be the truth. Just because she talks in half truths, doesn't mean that she can't tell a whole truth. Especially if the whole truth serves the purpose better. Best lies have a bit of truth to them. I think the writer's are going exactly that. I remember a spoiler back during the offseason that said there was another "hero" that got others abilities but just did it in a more 'interesting' way. That could mean Maury and his ability to control the actions of others through their fears/nightmares. But it could also be refering to Adam and is apparent ability to convince others to side with him and do his bidding.

What i don't get is what Kaito told Angela "all the blood we had spill". What does that means? did the Originals really did awfull things in the name of Adam? or is Adam gonna make them pay for unnecesary bloodshed?

Peter was suppose to blow up on the ground, which meant he would live. Angela was under the impression, since Peter blew up over the city, that he fell in to the ocean. I don't know if regeneration let's you breath under water.

The Haitian said "Your secret is safe with me." This would make me think the Haitian was doing this all on his own and no help from Angela. I don't think Angela would be too keen on Peter not being with her -- hense everyone lying to her they have him.

Based on what we've seen, based on the fact that it's far more interesting for Angela to think she helped kill her son and how shocked Angela seemed to see Peter in the future, it makes more sense that Angela has no idea Peter is alive.

It was very quick when Peter brought Nathan in and before the cop could see him, Peter was gone. When a mother rushes to the hospital to see her burnt son the first question isn't, "how did you get here." Not to mention we know what happened at Kirby Plaza and in the sky. Angela really doesn't. Unless she's a precog and even then she still might not. Peter doesn't alway see everything.

Really the big hole to me is the short amount of time Nathan grew a beard, was not aloud to see his kids and become a drunk.




I think a lot of this is figertive. I'm sure many people have died based on decisions or actions of the company. Not to mention HRG has already killed two people we know of in the name of Claire. After 30 years what could the company have done. Kings and Queens never killed people with their actually hands, but they were responsable in many lands for the death and "Spilling of blood" Kaito also said, "The people we've killed. The pain we're caused."

It would seem the 12 slipped into that moral grey water HRG is up to his neck in and they learned to regret it. Adam just made it all worse and pulled a lot of them down further into the murk.

Yes, it makes sense... and you are so right about HRG been up to his neck and also, like Adam, pulling people further into the murk too.

Personally I think you are off here.

1. The Haitian was under orders from the company to bring Peter in, as he was chasing Peter with Elle. He disobeyed this order and instead took Peter's memory and left him locked in a shipping container, destined for Cork. He did something similar with Claire, when HRG ordered him to wipe her memory, he disobeyed based on orders from Angela Petrelli. What makes you think the disobeying of the company's orders for Peter wasn't based on orders from Angela Petrelli. We already have a track record of this being the case with the Haitian and his disobediance to the company.

2. Something being more intersting is a personal opinion, not a fact. I would argue that it would be more interesting for Angela to be acting like she had nothing to do with Peter's situation, and act like she doesn't know anything about his wellbeing, and have it turn out that she is responsible for him being alive by giving the Haitian orders to protect Peter from the company. That would imply that the Haitian is a double agent, and it would also imply that Angela was deeply sided with Linderman and against whatever Bob is trying to accomplish.

I think the Key to Bob not being a part of things with Linderman, Adam, Maury, or Angela, is his speech about the virus and how they were doing research on it, and due to some events that research had to be stopped. What events? Now due to recent events they have been able to restart that research. Maybe the virus was one option for how to accomplish something and when it killed Shanti there were some in the Company that opposed further research and started coming up with the plan to blow up NYC. Now that Linderman, the mastermind behind the NYC explosion, is dead Bob has come to "right the ship" as it were. Now Bob can get back to his research on the virus. Maybe the people being killed are the ones that were against the use of the virus and they are being killed so that the plan for the virus can be carried out without interference from them.

Just thoughts.

From what have been shown in the series we can safely speculate that:
Anti-Adam: Bob and Kaito.

Pro-Adam: Angela, Linderman, Maury and probably Papa Petrelli, seen that he was a good friend of Linderman, although it is possible that he switched sides and got a heart attack (or a suicide depending on who you believe) for his trouble LOL.

Charles is not as clear. I dont think he was against the bomb, but mostly against using Nathan as the catalyst to bring the world together instead of Peter. This will either make him Pro- Adam or Anti-Adam depending on Adam's view of this.

It is reasonable to assume that the Haitian is just a pawn, used by either of the groups or maybe even both. The other originals, we dont know much to assume anything but i bet its split 50-50.
Angela thinking she killed her son is interesting, but there is something that makes that not plausible...she KNEW he was going to survive, she told Claire as much. So now all of the sudden she think he is dead? Unless it is an incredibly dumb plothole, I don't see that been the case.

Man, you people love the words "plot hole" way to much

I'm pretty sure Angela knew that Peter survived. When she see's him in the future in "Out of Time", she obviously knew he was alive. That was not the reaction of a mother seeing a son she thought was dead. She wasn't surprised he was alive, and she wasn't surprised he had no memory of recent events, thus she knew about his condition after the explosion.

Or, when the guard went to get her bring her to him, he told her, Your "dead" son Peter is here to see you, although he doesn't remember you". She's been around the block a couple times, herself. I doubt there is much that would surprise her, for long.

The "higher authority" the Haitian works for, may not be Angela, but someone who told him to work with Angela.

However, I'd like to know why the Coast Guard was searching 100 sq miles of the ocean for Peter. What believable story did she tell whom, to get them to search?

"Umm hello, sir. My son just flew up into the atmosphere, blew up, and fell. Would you please search the ocean for him?"

Angela may be a witch at times, but she does love her children. And if she thought Peter was truly dead, she should have had a much different reaction to seeing him alive 16 months later, regardless of what she had been told by the guard.




She was lying to Nathan about the whole search thing, just like she tried lying to him at first about what happened. She probably already knew Peter was alive and where he was, so no need to send out a search party, she just wanted to comfort Nathan and get him to not worry. If Nathan thought no one was looking for Peter, I'd bet he'd be out of the hospital bed and scouring the ocean himself looking for Peter.

I agree, she absolutely knew Peter was alive, and exactly where he was.

Which just makes her all the more evil!

The company had Nathan, Bob told Peter that. So if she knew where Nathan was, she knew about Peter as well. Angela is still part of the company, and of course she knew Peter was alive, and also consented to having him locked up and drugged indefinately.

Meanwhile, Nathan is in the hospital, badly burned, and Angela lies to him and tells him his brother is lost and probably dead. Then she lies to Heidi and tells her Nathan is delusional and drives her and Nathan's boys out of his life.

Evil lying manipulative EVIL witch!

Agreed... right up there with "Jump the shark."

This 'plot hole' can only be half explained away. Extremely drunk people end up in places and they don't remember how they got there. Extremely messed up injured people like Nathan could do the same. Nathan doesn't remember, and he and Angela could assume he flew his way there all injured.

Of course, the hospital ER staff saw Peter bring him in. Bring in a dude who was horribly burned (which doesn't happen everyday). I find it highly unlikely that talk of a white dude brining him in would never have come up.

Of course the Company could have arranged things so this information never came out (using the Haitian or other means) but the question is why? Why was it so important for Mama and Nathan Petrelli to think that Peter was dead?

you also have to remember that bob told peter that the doctors working nathan were from the company. angela has to know SOMETHING. i wouldn't put it past her to be using this to manipulate those around her as usual. she's a sly one, that angela petrelli.

I don't get what else she could have done. She looked shocked, about to cry and she tried to hug him. She'd seen her son heal from major wounds, Bob turns stuff into to gold and Linderman heal people and of course Maury put idea and dreams in her and people's heads.

And when I say more interesting choice what I mean is the writers always go with the more interesting choice, the not easy choice - meaning if they go right one ep they will go left the next.

Everything inticates to me Angela doesn't know Peter is alive, but then again...I know that she doesn't know Peter is alive until Nathan tells her in 11.

Angela is regretful and a mess -- that all points to I killed my son. I really got the impression people at the company are that truthful to each other.

Yeah, well, considering that (I just re-watched the Season 1 Finale in the Italian TV) she was the one TELLING CLAIRE that Peter wouldn't die, that thanks to her he could regenerate himself...

... that was one of the MAJOR plot holes this season and one thing that contributed to the lameness (did I just create a word? ) of this episode.