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I almost had respect for hereos for killing off HRG...

And then they snatched it all away. White male main cast members still can't die. I don't even think white male recurring characters can die. Heroes still lacks balls and wants to be a cookie cutter show. Which would be fine, if it hadn't started out so groundbreaking.

EDIT: THE symbol was also the symbol for the Petrelli law firm, and seeing how it's appeared several other places, it's quite possible that any number of people claim it as 'their symbol.' It's not just Kensei's symbol, that's not how it was introduced to us on the show either.

What the hell are you talking about? That was an amazing episode and with as any secrets as he knows and they fact that still don't have Claire, did you think they were going to lose their leverage.

Suresh is just... dumb. Just when I think they might make him not dumb they make him dumb again. The scene where he asks for Claire just seems

I didn't really like him killing HRG, his motivation seemed to be lacking and it was another dumb Suresh move. But bringing HRG back from the dead seemed just as stupid a plot development. Hey they should just dig up DL and give him some of Claire's/Adam's blood, he might be good as new.

Dude got shot in the eye, and it presumably pierced his brain lethally. I could buy Adam's blood accelerating Nathan's healing but bringing dudes back from the dead just seems too much.

West seemed too quick to forgive HRG, by the end of the episode he was calling him "sir". The dude abducted you, West.

This season, IMO, lacks focus. It took forever before the actual threat was established and nothing really seems to be heading toward it and no one seems to be fighting against it. Will Monica even have a role in the plot at all? If not, they could have saved her character for later.

Enough with the Time Traveling Already!

I'm hate the time jumping stuff. It's silly and confusing.

Well, why didn't Hiro kill Adam when he had the chance?

When big Hiro was talking to little Hiro...how come the younger Sulu didn't see the older Sulu?

And Hiro's story continues to bore me.

actually i was very happy to see Hiro in this episode. Its the first time we see him really control his powers, esp under emotional strain which has been a problem for him. He can now teleport exactly when he wants at any time with some control, even with emotional issues. I hope we get to see a stronger Hiro like this from now on!

I had the same gripe with Kaito not seeing himself standing right next to his young son. He did turn and call his son over, how did he not notice himself standing there.

Also, I'm not sure if young Hiro turned around, but wouldn't he notice a guy who looks just like his dad standing next to him?

My other problem was with the final scene. When HRG releases Elle, she breaks hold of the restraints using her power, then turns and shoots down Claire and West. Why even wait that long, she could have broken the restraints and shocked West and HRG and avoided the whole thing. HRG knew to keep her wet when they had her trapped in the house, why not carry around a bottle of water and keep her nice and soaked until everyone was in the clear. Plus she would look hot in a wet t-shirt

I also did not like the way HRG was brought back, he was shot square in the ey at close range, so he would have died within seconds. The blood they put in the IV has to be pumped by the heart to work, I didn't see him hooked up to anything so how exactly was this blood coursing through his body and able to reconstruct his eye and brain. When this happened to Claire, she had a piece of tree branch lodged in her skull, when it was removed the brain healed itself and thus brought her back. This was a bullet that surely splattered his brain to pieces. There was nothing to remove.

I think the show would have been better off with HRG dead. As much as I like his character, the show loses its sense of "real people becoming heroes" if people are being brought back from the dead and mortal characters suddenly becoming immortal. The show will fail to evolve and move forward if this is what we going to start seeing. They will eventually run out of interesting storylines or everything will become some version of "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World". If HRG dies, yes your audience will be upset (TV mourning I guess), but they will be very interested in what happens next, can Angela possibly be killed by Adam? People do die in other ways than exploding men and super viruses.

The problem I have with the evolution of Matt's power (aside from the obvious "it makes him too dangerous" theory) is that it was absored by Peter. Sylar having Candice's power would have caused all sorts of problems with him being able to create illusions. If Peter's absorption of Matt's power will lead to him being able to plant thoughts in people and also make them "see" things, then how exactly can he ever be stopped? He is too strong a character to begin with and I think at some point he will be injected with some strain of something that will limit his power in some way, or else he will just rule the universe and we will all live to serve Peter the Almighty.

I still love the show and will watch every Monday, I just hope they don't keep getting carried away with the use and effect of these powers. It was overall a good episode by Season 2 standards, just some minor gripes.

And I agree that they should chill with all the time travelling. I hope we get some form of explanation as to why the blood of Adam/Claire can cure people when these powers are supposedly based in the Brain.

No gripes worth mentioning this time around.

Matt's new "power" annoys me. It extends beyond what we were aware his dad could do, and significantly overlaps with Eden's ability (remember her?) during the first season.

Also, echoing other people's sentiments, bringing HRG back was kind of a coward's way out. The show can't be afraid to kill people. I hope that the company had a damn good reason to bring back a guy who openly betrayed them.

I see how bringing HRG back can be viewed as kind of a cop out, especially when his brain was what was affected by the bullet (and the brain seems to be the only weak spot for people with regnerative powers) but I think the alternative would have definitely been worse. Kill off HRG? The best actor and character on the show? I would be seriously PO'd.

My nitpick is with Hiro saying he cannot change fate... um, wasn't the whole first season about Future Hiro changing the future and keeping Claire from being killed by Sylar, and keeping New York from being blown up?

Also, yeah, I keep wondering why Elle didn't escape while in the Van, when she just zapped the tape when running away so easily.

obviously your not thinking like a killer/assasin, who would be sizing up her situation rather than just starting to blast away in a moving car. i mean if you really think about it would you rather take on two people by your self or wait for the exchange where you'd have two additional people to help you out, she can shoot electricity but she obviously can't stop a bullet which HRG has been known to dole out when the whim hits him.

What she did made the most sense, she knew there would be an exchange which there was, she had to know West was going to take claire away ASAP. obviously since that was the first thing she did (shoot down claire/west) that WAS HER PLAN. After that it was one on three, I think the odds were in their favor. And please what part of this character that they've introduced makes you think she would ever run away, that's just stupid. Sociopaths with delusions of grandeur who threaten to kill their shrinks aren't the type of people who just run away, come on people b4 criticizing actually think this stuff out.

Just as further proof of how asinine the thought her running away would be, that would leave Bob and Mo to take care of West and HRG come on you don't have to be a genious to figure out how that would have went down.

My biggest gripe is with Elle's power. Now, how exactly does she get the electrical charge to move through the air? And how does she shock herself in the puddle of water? I know I'm thinking too much into this, but this is the lamest power that exists. I can't even come up with a partial rational reason as to how she has the ability to control a current when no path for that current even exists.

Season 1 answered this question actually. Dont remember the episode, but when Matt was talking about something, they answered, is it stranger that you can read minds? I think you cant dwell to much on it. because really if we really look at it, how can anyone in the show do what they do? because its fiction!

Obviously, you're not thinking like an average person... On the car ride over Elle could've easily shocked away the constraints. Killed Noah, and West, in the car before either could react, jumped out the car, and went to meet up with Bob. They'd have Claire, and Noah would've been out the way.

My biggest gripe is still in regards to the moron they have turned Suresh into.

Otherwise I thought it was a solid episode.

I loved the detail of why Kaito was killed in the dark when last we had seen him he was talking to Angela in the light moments ago now making sense.

That was attention to detail.

Almost makes me forgive that Nathan managed to grow a massive beard in 3 weeks.

they didn't show the transport, but couldn't it be that HRG was sitting next to her with a gun to her head? So please explain how she could have done what you said

Why is that "power" any different than any other? Flying, power absorption, invisibility, etc. All of this is not logical or physically possible. I don't bother rationalizing these fictional abilities. But I do have problems with the rules being twisted to meet the needs of the writers. For example: Elle "shoots" Claire and West while 75 feet in the air, knocking them unconscious. After falling 75 feet (or whatever it was), it doesn't matter if you land on someone or not, it will kill you. Not only does it not kill West, he wakes up immediately and is perfectly fine. That just bugged me.

Even if that was the case... She still had the oppurtunity to do so during the exchange. What was holding her back from just turning around blasting Noah, and West, grabbing Claire, and running to Bob?

Nitpick: I was bothered by how Hiro, Little Hiro, Kaito were all standing within a few feet of each other, yet Little Hiro did not notice his "two dads". Even "Little Kaito" could call for Little Hiro to come over and mourn yet not notice there was a man who looked exactly like him standing a few feet near, nevertheless any of the others at the funeral. Could've been handled a little more logically.

Gripe: The fact that they've made it a little difficult to kill anyone off on the show, since Claire and Adam's blood are the cure-all for massive crippling full body burns to a bullet in the head.

For the record, my accolades for this episode far surpass criticisms.

Where the flip is the Haitian in all this?

It's just like season 1 where Noah needs some great help, but the Haitian is nowhere to be found. Hmmm...makes you wonder who he's really working for.

I have a nitpick. Angela talked about Adam's power evolving and said that originally it was just regeneration and that it turned out that it was worse than the bomb. The thing she says was worse was that he didn't get old. Since he was over 300 years old at that time it would indicate to me that he had already stopped aging. I was confused as to why not growing old was worse than the bomb and why at the very least Matt didn't ask a follow up other to as how old he was.

I will agree with you on how they managed not to see each other. I wondered that myself


I think it's worse because they dont have a way to kill him. He literally was in that tent when it exploded and here he is still jsut as pretty as he was some 400 years ago. I dont remember her making any references to him being worse then the bomb though.



Well sitting in water and using her power isnt the best idea. I'd imagine she could take a shower and what not she just couldn't use her power while doing so because she would eletrocute herself. Thing is it might hurt like hell but she might not die from it.

I figured that part out but she said his powers had "evolved" and that "now" he doesn't age. When has he ever aged. He looks the same way in 1671 as he does now. Also he was blown up in the tent in 1671 he hadn't evolved to where he couldn't be killed in the tent. Prior to that he didn't even know he could heal.


Matt said "dangerous, how, like the bomb?" Angela said "no, worse".

Clearly Hiro has learned from his future self's mistakes. Becauase Sylar was never the one to explode. Peter was still the bomb. The only thing that changed was that because Claire was saved she met the Petrellis and influenced Nathan into sacrificing himself for his brother and the city.

Hmm I dont know the wording is always so tricky on this show especailly coming from Angela. I got the impression that his aging stopped a long time ago and the other 11 are the Johnny come latelys to that bit of info. I guess we'll have to wait and see which sucks but is kinda cool too.

Your right she did say he was worse then the bomb. But did she mean worse then the bomb itself or worse than the idea of the bomb? Damn Angela and her cryptic self! It ties into why Maury Parkman would do his dirty work too. As powerful as he was why was he so afraid of Adam that he was willing to go against all the others. Why are all of them so afraid of Adam? I get that he can't die and he could do them just like he did Kaito without personal injury but the kind of fear they have of him makes me wonder what else he has up his sleeve.

I think I've figured it out. If Adam gets the virus it can't be stopped. In the opening episode of this season Adam has been escaped for a couple of weeks. They kept him locked up because they new that if he were to get the virus he would regenerate and it would mutate and be unkillable. Just a guess. I'm sure it will be shot down. That would make him worse than the bomb.

I agree with this. I think either Adam or Claire is the reason the virus gets out of control so quickly.

last night was amazin, best ep of season so far, but i have to agree with the idea that its stupid that now anyone can have a power if they have the person's blood. its jus stupid cupcakes..

lmao when did cupcakes become cupcakes..

my gripe is mostly just that hrg is still alive. i thought it was brave of them to kill off such a well-liked character.

Matt has asked two people now if something was like something else, and both of them have said 'no, worse.' It's just like last season when two people said someone was 'weak' and three people said someone had 'lost their way'.

Everyone complaining about Elle not escaping on her own seriously missed out on the part where, you know, Bennet tells her about her past, and where she angrily shrugs off Bob's touch at the end. She had a lot on her mind, and escaping and killing two people when she was going to be freed anyway wasn't one of them.