Agent42
Nov 19 2007, 07:41 PM
Here we're given this soap opera weepy funeral scene for Papa Naka, saying, "It's inevitable, there's no shame in being murdered."
And then Noah is murdered...only to be brought back to life? Is this some weird Japanese honor thing or a big fat glaring plothole?
Why don't they exhume the 12 and just give them all a blood drip to revive them? I'm sure they'd actually appreciate being regenerated.
Eleo
Nov 19 2007, 07:43 PM
That was probably my final beef with the episode.
"And today's moral is....Just kidding."
Faunus
Nov 19 2007, 07:46 PM
First, Hiro and Ando's plot is currently not part of Bob's, making them unaware that the blood can save his father. Second, it is unclear whether or not you can use the blood on old, rotted out corpses. I think it's a little lame that some people cry plot-hole for every little thing that isn't actually a plot-hole..
Leek
Nov 19 2007, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Eleo @ Nov 19 2007, 10:43 PM)

"And today's moral is..Just kidding."



Yeah...maybe it has something to do with embracing fate. Bennet could have been all "West, Fly us both away, or I'll get in the car, we'll get back to the house, and be gone"
He could have done that to save his own skin, but knowing the risks, having seen and studied the paiting, he walked into his sunset. He could only survive as the man he was by staying true to character, and being killed.
It seems crazy, but thats what I have.
akira410
Nov 19 2007, 07:50 PM
QUOTE (Faunus @ Nov 19 2007, 07:46 PM)

I think it's a little lame that some people cry plot-hole for every little thing that isn't actually a plot-hole..
Agreed!
I'm getting kinda tired of hearing people cry 'plot hole.' Yes, shows have plot holes. You can't possibly cover every single aspect of every single thing on every single episode. Sit back and enjoy the show!
CrewWolf
Nov 19 2007, 07:50 PM
It's not like HRG chose to be brought back to life. He knew he was going to die but he went to face off against his enemies anyway. I don't see how that contradicts the message.
RainbowMist
Nov 19 2007, 08:16 PM
on a tangently related note, I'm glad they ended the episode with Hiro's eulogy instead of Mohinder's narration, since after what he did, anything he would have said would have rang false.
Renrut
Nov 19 2007, 08:21 PM
Believe it or not people have been shot in the eye who did not die. It is possible he wasn't brought back from the dead. My question is did Claire just go home and tell mom and leave him in the street. Seems like she wouldn't let Bob take him.
CharlieNakamura
Nov 19 2007, 08:25 PM
It would be helpful if there was some sort of limitation - like, the blood can only bring someone back within 24 hours, or something. It would be kind of ridiculous if you could just pour some of Claire's blood on a rotted corpse and watch it grow new skin and come back to life. Then they could potentially bring back ANYBODY as long as they had the remains. Maybe HRG wasn't actually dead when they took his body back to Primatech? Maybe there was still some brain activity or something.
SacredKnight
Nov 19 2007, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Nov 19 2007, 08:41 PM)

Here we're given this soap opera weepy funeral scene for Papa Naka, saying, "It's inevitable, there's no shame in being murdered."
And then Noah is murdered...only to be brought back to life? Is this some weird Japanese honor thing or a big fat glaring plothole?
Why don't they exhume the 12 and just give them all a blood drip to revive them? I'm sure they'd actually appreciate being regenerated.
Its far from a plot hole. It illustrated to us the different philosophies some have with their abilities. Kaito teaches Hiro honor, teaches him that its not right to use his abilities to play God, and Hiro complies to his request, thus honoring his father's teachings and showing an immense respect for his ability. Meanwhile you have the other side, not hesitating for a moment to use the abilities at their disposal to control events to their liking by bringing back Noah.
I thought it was pretty poetic.
I also have little doubt there there will indeed be some limitation or consequence to this blood cure. Like people have pointed out already, there simply has to be as its too big of a get out of jail free card, it makes things too easy and too tempting to hit the reset button on certain events. It can't stand as is that anyone dead can be brought back with no consequence or limitation if they don't want to hurt integrity. They haven't gotten there yet in my view though since this was
just introduced and used last week.
hiatus
Nov 19 2007, 08:35 PM
What if Claire was AB+? Not exactly a universal donor then hmmm.
Alchemist
Nov 19 2007, 08:36 PM
I think the better question is who brought Noah back? Was it Bob or Mohinder? Who was trying to redeem himself?
SacredKnight
Nov 19 2007, 08:37 PM
Probably Bob. No way Mohinder would have been given access to the body nor the blood. He's a lackey now.
As for the reasoning, my best bet is that Bob has hardly given up on getting Claire in his clutches. A living Noah can now be used as bait to lure Claire in whenever they choose to utilize him.
Flymon
Nov 19 2007, 08:38 PM
this isn't even close to a plot hole. The fact that Noah is alive had nothing to do with someone deciding to change the future/past like in Hiro's story line. Well sorry it did but it was by the campany (i'm going out on a limb here, its either them or Adam and i see no reason for Adam and Peter to save Noah other than him helping take down the company). Someone brought Noah back to life, which i was very happy about, but also has abosultly nothing to do with Hiro learning the morals his father wasa trying to teach him.
Renrut
Nov 19 2007, 08:40 PM
QUOTE (SacredKnight @ Nov 19 2007, 10:37 PM)

Probably Bob. No way Mohinder would have been given access to the body nor the blood. He's a lackey now.
Bob saw the painting, gave Mohinder the gun, and took Claire's blood beforehand. He wanted to save HRG. It may be his way of showing HRG why they need her blood.
halrandir
Nov 19 2007, 11:30 PM
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 19 2007, 11:21 PM)

Believe it or not people have been shot in the eye who did not die. It is possible he wasn't brought back from the dead. My question is did Claire just go home and tell mom and leave him in the street. Seems like she wouldn't let Bob take him.
Technically speaking, this is the most plausible explanation of what we saw happen. When the body dies, the heart stops beating...meaning that the blood in the person's veins stops flowing...meaning that unless you're giving the person CPR or the like to manually pump the blood through their body there's no way you can give a corpse an infusion of blood and have it's magical healing properties have any effect.
bruno6969
Nov 19 2007, 11:38 PM
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 19 2007, 08:40 PM)

Bob saw the painting, gave Mohinder the gun, and took Claire's blood beforehand. He wanted to save HRG. It may be his way of showing HRG why they need her blood.
i would tend to agree
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