Since Hiro and Adam were both in this episode, I think it is ok to ask this question here.

Is HIRO'S KISS the cause for both THE BOMB and THE VIRUS? Do both events trail back to Kensai/Adam telling Hiro he will basically cause all those he loves pain?

Adam wants to spread the virus, kill THE COMPANY members...Linderman wanted to explode a bomb to prevent the spread...IMO, either way, Hiro's Kiss and Adam's jealousy and revenge are the impetus of both...

So, again, EVERYTHING is Hiro's Fault!

You're working off too many unproven assumptions.

1. Does Adam want to spread the virus? So far, there hasn't been any connection between Adam and the virus. It may well be that Adam does want to spread the virus, but that can't be concluded yet.

2. Was Linderman trying to prevent the virus? Maybe. Linderman did mention a greater catastrophe that he wanted to avert, but it seems like shoehorning to fit the virus into this.

Whether is be a virus or the bomb...I strongly feel the BOTH tie back to Adam's revenge against Hiro...

The explaination of Kaito is that the powers make people think they are gods. And gods, especially old gods, love playing with disasters, no matter who gets hurt.

So no, I wouldn't put it all on the grudge, but on the corrupting power of the abilities instead.

Yea I agree. I think Hiro caused the spiral of events somehow, and he ultimately will be the main protagonist in the upcoming episodes. More like a Hiro/Peter tagteam.

And if I remember correctly, Linderman wanted to avoid a greater problem, thus wanting the bomb to go off to stop the inevitable virus. Maybe there is a painting that mentioned what would happen, and he acted on that.

Still don't really have a clue on how this season will end, or who the bad guy is. We still don't know Adam's motive, how sylar will play into this, or what Peter's role will be. Definately exciting to say the least.

I don't believe that Adam or Hiro have anything to do with the virus. The virus is just a natural progression of life. Viruses morph all of the time.

Adam dose not want to kill the company because of Hiro's kiss. Adam wants to kill the company (founders) because they locked him up.

I've been saying this for a while. Hiro did something to change what happened last year. It is an assumption and a guess of course. I doubt if the kiss is it. 336 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Surely the guy has had many wives and loves since the kiss. It is possible that the kiss is what made the Adam character go to the dark side. Before he was just a drunk and may not have been a bad person but being betrayed by a friend may have altered him. There are those that say Hiro has always been back there and he always was the source of the Kensei legend. That is the way it should be but the writers don't do the time travel this way all the time.

I do think it's interesting that the only reason Kaito choose to not fight Adam was that Hiro had told him he was coming from his funeral. That made him accept his fate. He killed his father.

I def believe that Hiro's folly in the past is what trickled down the creation of The Company, which in turn, created the incurable strain oif the virus. Had he not ****** Kensei off in the past, then perhaps he wouldnt still be seeking revenge in the present. This whole season seems to be a very "Universe B" kind of altered timeline. It's an even worse fate than the bomb exploding. It makes sense. I mean, Season 1 was resolved, in part, by Hiro traveling back to change the outcome in Kirby Plaza. His sucess in altering that timeline got him thrown into the past and set up to alter it much further...

Shouldn't play with time travel.

Even if everything was based on Adam's thirst for revenge because of Hiro, I don't see why Hiro should be blamed at all. So the chick preferred Hiro over Adam, how is that Hiro's fault? Women choose the man they want and she was going to figure out sooner or later that Adam wasn't the Kensei she fell in love with.

We all have to take responsibility for our actions. If Adam is behind the virus and the bomb then its his fault. Vengeance is rarely justified.

Simple Answer... Yes!

Damnit Hiro!

I RUINED IT ALL! YATTA!

Well, yes, yes it is.

A lot of it anyway.

Hiro has the unfortunate power of time travel. To hard to resist but oh so dangerous.

We don't know Adam's full involvement with the virus yet, if he has one at all. We also don't know Linderman's involvement with the virus, if he had one at all (the bomb was more about rebuilding earth to something better).

This is mostly speculation. However, Hiro has made some dire consequences from his time travel, ones that he may have to work very hard to undo. The good news is that he finally understands that he can't manipulate time the way he wants to, like a god.

I like how Hiro took of his glasses at his fathers funeral...it was almost a "becoming a bad ******" moment for him.

I disagree with the "It's all Hiro's fault" arguement. I don't think Hiro has changed anything. He always was Takezo Kensei, the stories would never have happened without him. "The Battle of 12 Swords" was entirely his doing and always was. Adam could never have been the true Kensei as he was too drunk to care. He would never have undertook the missions Hiro gave him without his guidance. Hiro had already met his future self at his mother's funeral but did not remember the event. (That scene was kinda adorable BTW). He is merely following his destiny and everything that has happened was always destined to happen the way it did. Just like his father said, "You are the Wind at the back of Destiny." He cannot change the past, but merely make sure that things happen as they should, similar to Dr. Who kinda.

Ultimate Hit Squad: Hiro and Molly- Find anyone, anywhere, any time!

All fine and good except that Charlie didn't remember meeting Hiro at her birthday and it had only been six months. Hiro may have always been Kensei but what are the odds that the person he always believed was Kensei just happene do be immortal. Those odds are beyond astronomical.

Kensei was a deceiving ****** before Hiro met him. Hiro just helped him realize his was a immortal decieving ****** lol. Did Hiro screw him over? yes but was this going to happen eventually? YES say he did get the princess she was going to die and then what? same this was going to happen sooner or later (he is selfish). The man at fault that dosen't know it yet? Peter this is all his fault. He dosen't mean to he is a puppet being used but he did bust Monroe out of jail that lead to chain events of Hiro's dad dying and his mom almost dying and those idiots at the company letting the virus out. Peter let the monster out the cage so to say it's Hiro's fault I don't know Kensei is a legend because of him but Adam Monroe was going to become who he was eventually. 300 years is a long time to decide career choices lol

yeah, the inconsistencies in how this show handles time travel drive me crazy, but as far as the "odds" go... fate? It's hard to imagine a hero's journey without coincidences (or what seem to be coincidences) turning out to be essential parts of the story.

I agree - I think Kensei had plenty of time to turn into a good or a bad person regardless of what Hiro did, and I think it was in his nature to use his power to take advantage of others. When he first realized what his power was, his immediate reaction was "I'm going to be richer than the Pope!" Hiro showed him that there was a better way to live his life, but after Adam witnessed that kiss, I think he just went back to being who he was before.

Judging by this weeks GN, Adam became bored with life as the centuries passed and had no regard for the lives of others. When he found out there might be another person like him, he was thrilled because now he could try and find a way to KILL that person. I think Adam's "god complex" formed over many, many years based on his experiences with many different people, not just Hiro. Adam has come to believe that he is superior to ordinary humans and therefore has a right to decide their destiny. I'm sure he has kept his grudge against Hiro (probably been looking forward to something else to soothe his boredom) but anything he has to do with the bomb or the virus has to do with how he views his place in the universe. Living for 4 centuries has made him who he is, not just that one experience with Hiro. That's my opinion, anyway.

I'm glad you said fate. My brand new theory is Hiro is Scott Bakula on Quantum Leap. I think this father said he was the wind of fate for something corny like that. What if fate is what the universe had planned for us and the heroes acting like Gods alterted our real fate? Hiro is being sent by the same force that was sending Dr. Samuel Becket around to fix fate back the way it is supposed to be. All of the calamities we are seeing like the bomb and the virus are created by heroes acting like Gods. It makes sense to me in a Quantum Leap sort of way.

In my opinion, Adam wants to die because he's disillusioned with life. He just can't. And in the graphic novel, he's looking for a way to die as his first choice, and a way to kill the other guy as a second choice.

Although not being imprisoned is better than being locked up.

The last episode was really the growing up point for Hiro. He understands what responsibilities he has now.

the answer is no. the virus was a result of NY not exploding as there was no mention of it in the 5YG future... which means that the cause of the virus had to originally die in the explosion.

Or the virus is a result of changes to the timeline done in 1671 AND New York exploding.

If Hiro now knows he was being childish and decides to let his father meet his fate then why does FHiro not want the Cheerleader or New York to meet theirs? Going by this, then maybe the virus is a direct result of him messing with fate. He's either going to have to let New York blow up or go back to 1671 or both.

this is the thing with the space time continum theorys though, it also stands that if hiro had not gone back there would be no takezo kensei the hero, white beard would have ruled japan and this would have brought about a completly different reality.
so yes hiro is to blame, but this is the way its always been, lovely stuff huh

But this show has never treated time travel like that. I'm not buying that the Kensei stories were always about Hiro. What are the odds that there was a guy named Kensei back then who happened to be immortal? We really don't know what would have happened if Hiro hadn't interfered in 1671. The Kensei sword didn't "always" have a "Ando open" inscription on the handle.

He changed the past, it is different than it was. The princess passing down the stories was a band aid. Why make the asssumption that Hiro was always Kensei? Kensei paid they guy to sit on the horse and he was going to hide in the tree and pick the bad guys off one by one with the crossbow. Hiro said it was fighting dirty. Those bad guys left and burned and raided Otsu. If during that fight Kensei was wounded and recovered the bad guys would have fled or been killed by crossbow from the tree. Instead they burned the village of Otsu he was supposed to save. The village from being burned and the princess would have fallen for him and not met Hiro. Instead she slaps him. It is so obvious that this is the cause to everything. I can't understand why so many people think he was a drunk and the stories have all been about Hiro. This is why Adam is bad now instead of a heroe. You can't ignore that possibility.