When it cut to the blood pack I was like "Yay, Niki is cured!" Then it panned up and I was like.."Those aren't her boobs.. " Then it was Noah and I was like Yay for Noah alive, but I'm angry at this. Why couldn't of they have kept him dead?!

Anyway, how did you react?

Noah's my favorite character, so I was very, very, very, very, very, very happy. It's worth sacrificing Niki for Bennet.

I agree with TragicVillain, I was VERY happy. Noah is one of the best characters on the show and it would suffer without him. Even though I knew he was going to get shot because of the painting, I refused to believe that they would let him die.

When I saw Bob tapping Claire for blood, I already knew HRG was going to survive. No way the writers would let HRG pass away without some MEGA SUPER heroic act like a season finale.

Besides, the Company let Niki leave the facility, which is kinda strange considered that she is walking around with a deadly virus in her blood. I suppose the Shanti virus isolated? Perhaps it can only (so far) spread via blood?

I was fine with seeing it plus it's always good to see a theory that you have end up taking place on there. I dont' think it was a cop-out like some seem to think on the boards. I think it fits with the whole "what would I do if this really happened" situation. I think that HRG is more important than most realize and he's crucial to the "master plan".

I hate to say that I knew that he wouldnt die, but the whole scene with HRG about to kill Bob, just seemed to move to fast to justify the death of a MAJOR character like HRG. If he were to really die, Im sure they would lead up to it more, with Mohinder crying like a baby and drag it out over several minutes.

Plus HRG is a bad@$$ gives the show a lot of direction with his and Claires plot...I was glad he was not dead.

Yes, he is, and I am glad he is still alive. What I did love, was when he sat up in bed and was like, "Holy .." Just like Claire on the autopsy table! LOL Now, though, he is gonna be locked up in the company, and his fam thinks he is dead... that is gonna suck if it's left like that because of the writers' strike.

I can't say I was surprised. I had a feeling they were going to be using Claire's blood to heal him (and I read in spoilers that he survived, anyways).

When i saw the blood-pack i got a flashback of last week's episode when Adam helped Nathan.. but anyways, im glad HRG's alive cuz he's the best & is made of awesome.. i dunno what's going to happen to Niki, but i hope she still lives.. (I WANT JESSICA ******, SRRY NIK)

Off the sci-fi bandwagon a bit here..

Ok, when are the writers going to abandon this whole blood transfusion thing? It's getting a bit stale, and to me, it's like trying to convince me that 2 + 2 = 5. I screamed last year that the writers needed to do a bit of medical research before writing these type of storylines, and I see that they still haven't even tried to premit even a shread of medical reality onto this show. I, for one am getting a bit insulted by it and hope to see a reversal in this trend.

Ok, off the soapbox now. On to the regularly scheduled debating..

One of my math teachers in high school actually did have this entire theorem that proved that 2+2=5. Man, I need to find that thing again. It was hilarious.

I agree with you about the blood transfusion thing. You can't just go randomly injecting your blood into other people, what with different bloodtypes and blood-borne pathogens and such. Just because I'm a universal donor doesn't mean I can take blood from everyone.

I was totally expecting Niki's boobs as well Lol. Great Episode! This episode just made the 11 episode season to be worthy.. I'm sad it's only 11 epìsodes but if the other two are anything close to this it will be one amazing season finale...

This Episode beat the hell out of last season's finale... Mainly because we all knew Peter would not destroy NY.. But Hell to be honest I didn't expected Bennet to Die.. Much less to revive! It was freaking awesome..

Bennet's my new second Favourite! Only behind of Hiro because come on, Hiro rocks

Can we not be so sexist and vulgar on these discussion pages? It only drags down the conversation, and doesn't impress us as to your maturity.

'nuff said. (I hope)

i had pretty much the exact same train of thought -- "okay, they're healing Niki ... wait, that's not Niki ... oh, crap, it's HRG, that's kinda cheesy ... oh, Bob & Elle brought him back just to torture repeatedly, that's okay then"



texgrog -- i agree about the blood being ridiculous. dead = heart not pumping = no circulation = blood's not goin' anywhere = blood can't heal what's hurt. it's funny how, on a show where people can fly or stop time or regrow toes, it's simple little things like that that make us go "hey!"

thay never actualy said he was dead Claire and wes flew off before knowing

they don't have to SAY it because they SHOWED us: his eyes were all cloudy (then they cleared up and he gasped and started breathing) which in Heroes continuity means he was as dead as Claire during her autopsy, and as dead as Peter with the glass stuck in his head

Last I checked, the eyes only go milky like that two ways: severe cataracts or death. And since cataracts take years to develop that badly, I think we can rule it out. Comas don't cause that, brain trauma doesn't cause it either, and sleeping with your eyes open makes them red, not white.

Yeah, sure. You were angry because they weren't Niki's boobs. Admit it!

Sleeping with one eye open makes you grip your pillow tight.

Fixed

I hate Niki/Jessica, I hope she dies, slowly

The only way I knew it wasn't going to be Niki before that scene was because Ali Larter wasn't in the credits

But yeah, I was happy that he was cured, even if it's not possible for that to happen in actuality. I hope they can find a cure for Niki, though.

I posted this in another thread; but, I think it applies here too:

I am inclined to believe that they used Adam's blood to heal HRG. After having him locked up for 30 years, I'm sure they have sh!te loads of it lying around. We all saw how quickly Nathan healed with a little of Adam's blood. Adam's blood is 400 years of hero evolution. Claire's may not heal others as wholly, quickly, or at all. Besides, the company has other intentions for her blood and so precious little of it to spare. Again, probably gallons of Adams blood in storage. But if they did use Claire's blood, it may have been an experiment to see how it would react.

~PP

One would have to assume that it was Claire's blood going into her dad. The reason is due to the direction of the show. We specifically saw that Claire was having a pint taken off by Bob. Why show that specifically going into the bag? Because that bag will have a specific point in a future plot. And we then see A bag of blood going into HRG. So, based on the direction, we make the assumption that it is Claire's blood. However, we have no proof, and another possibility is that of mis-directing the audience, which this show does very well. So, yes, there is no proof that it is or is not Claire's blood, but the director wants us to believe that it is Claire's blood. Take the other side at your own peril, but you then get to gloat when and if you are right.

I hope they find a cure for Niki/Jessica's boring story line

No amount of Adam or Claire's blood can fix that story line..

I wish the Haitian would erase my memory of that plot...

yeah. see, I could buy it when the blood healed nathan, because nathan was alive and thus blood was pumping around his body so adam's superblood got circulated.

and I could buy it if adam and/or claire's blood ressurected a dead adam and/or claire (or rather, prevented them from dying) because the blood would already be in their body.

but the way it ressurected noah is a bit wtf.

QFT.

That is EXACTLY how I reacted.



Some spoilers from the Insider gave light to how this story line is going to "progress"

For those who thinks its Adam's blood, that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. If they had pints of his blood there would have been no need for Mo's blood from the beginning or no need for Claires blood for Niki, if Adam's was already there

Though I did not want HRG to die, I think he shouldn't have been resurected with the blood. The blood healing someone while they are alive I'll buy, but the blood bringing back people from the dead just opens up a whole can of worms.

I'm mainly upset about the posts I'll be reading later that say, "Oh this person isn't really dead because they can just get a shot of blood and come back." That means that DL, Isaac, Eden, Charlie, and Candance can all come back. That also means that every scene on Heroes is going to come with someone claiming that it's just an illusion and that it really didn't happen.

On a side note, I have a query. If the blood just heals doesn't that mean it heals the body from the virus vice destroying the virus. I'm sure that's the idea the company is running with, but doesn't that mean that the body (even though healed) still has the virus inside of it. I think the blood will just turn people into carriers, and then when the blood wears off and stops healing. The body will then get destroyed by the virus. Adam/Claire will always be getting healed from the virus, but I don't think their healing blood will last forever on the person they give it to. So if the company annouces this new deadly strain of virus, but don't worry we have a cure just get injected with this blood. Though the blood might heal them for a little bit, it will wear off and kill them. Just a thought though.

You're probably correct from a writer/director standpoint. That is probably he direction they are going to take it. But the logic is flawed. Why would they use a different bag to extract/store Claire's blood than Adam's? When I donate blood, they use the same bags. Hey, it could be my blood! We also 'specifically' saw Adam inject his own blood into Nathan to heal him. Not trying to take the unpopular side so I can gloat in the unlikely chance I'm right. Just following my own logic and digging a little deeper than the surface. It's hard because some things in Heroes are supposed to be taken at surface value. Some things are clues to be investigated and figured out by the audience. And some things are complete deceptions to throw us off. Which is this?



So they've (the friggin Company we're talking about here) got Adam locked up for 30 years and they never thought to take any of his blood? Knowing how the company operates, they'd be doing all sorts of experiments with his blood and surely have some locked up in cryo somewhere. Especially knowing that Adam is immortal. Give me a break. And don't yell at me.

Besides, wasn't there a comment made that Adam's blood wouldn't work for their purposes and they needed Claire's. I know I heard that somewhere. Can't remember if it was on the show or in these boards?

~PP

Okay, this may be a leap; but, here goes. Knowing that the company is into experiments and manipulation and surveillance and everything. I stick to my theory that, logically, they would have blood samples from any hero they had bagged and tagged. Especially Adam, being as powerful as he is and the length of time they had him. But if the company was founded by the original 12 after they turned on Adam, wouldn't they have some of their own blood samples to play around with? I think they would. The reason I bring this up is that HRG was stone cold dead. No way around it the guy got shot in the head with a .45 caliber. It's a bit of a leap for me to think that simply a little of Claire's or Adam's blood would bring someone back from the dead. Their powers are to heal, not to bring things back from the dead. Sure it worked on Nathan, but he was still very alive. Again, HRG. Hollowpoint to the brain. Not alive. So who do we know that has(or had) the ability to bring things back to life...? And even if he is really dead, by my own reasoning, the company would have some of his blood "on file" for just such an occasion. IDK. Something to think about.

~PP

That was also my exact reaction. Despite Insider's spoilers, I was really hoping it'd be Niki on that table, but alas...that would mean that they'd have actually created an interesting storyline for her, and apparently that's not possible.

Anyway, I am glad that Noah is alive, but I think it would have been a lot better for Claire's development if he'd stayed dead. She's going to find out at some point, and I hope whatever stories they have for both characters don't become cheapened when she does learn the truth.

Oooo..I like this theory!
If they have blood samples of all the bagged and tagged and of the original founders of the company ---then it could very well be Linderman's blood, as it showed him bringing that dead flower back to life
If all this sepculation is true, then HRG should be aware of many of the experiments conducted and most of the results ---- so why wouldn't he and the Haitian go with this side plan if Noah's original plan didn't turn out, i.e. he got dead

Once again, its totally being ignored that if it was adams or lindermans blood why did they need Claire. If someone can give me a good reason i will be more than happy to shut up.

Linderman and Adam both happen to be at best morally grey manipulators who try and take advantage of every situation they are in. Claire is not, and would probably only be happy to help others if she were informed of everything.

ok and..

Peter died and got healed by magic blood, Claire died and got healed by magic blood, Adam died and got healed by magic blood. The only difference is is that it was their own blood. But they were dead.

Please don't shut up. We need your input. None of us here has all the answers. Anyway, I'm not ignoring your point. It is just not enough to dismiss my own theory. Why do they need Claire's blood if they have Adams or Lindermans? There could be a million reasons. Adam and Linderman are older and may have already been infected by the virus (an old Company experiment perhaps). Claire is "new blood" so they want to give it another shot. That's just one possibility. The base of my point is that it would be ridiculous to assume that an organization such as The Company would not take blood samples from every hero it got it's hands on. For whatever reason, they need Claire's blood. Adams or Lindermans won't work for the intended purpose. Has that reason been laid out on the show? Not that I know of. My theory is all conjecture. I have no solid evidence to back it up.




I repeat:
It's a bit of a leap for me to think that simply a little of Claire's or Adam's (or Peter's) blood would bring someone back from the dead. Their powers are to heal, not to bring things back from the dead. Sure it worked on Nathan, but he was still very alive. Again, HRG. Hollowpoint to the brain. Not alive.

New:
We know that they got healed by 'magic blood.' But all of them had the power to heal when they "died". HRG had no such power and was unquestionably dead. They injected him with blood and he regenerated and came back to life.

Skip this if you have a short attention span. It ain't worth it.

I don't see why people are using the "blood shouldn't work because he's dead and there's no circulation argument". If you accept that the blood or whatever is in the blood causes rapid cellular regeneration, it's not really that hard to come up with an explanation for it based in real world science (even though this is a TV show...) Note: Don't kill me if I get this is completely scientifically wrong but... It's true that the circulatory system greatly aids in the transport of nutrients etc, and the principle reason for this is because it greatly increases the surface area of the body that is in direct contact with said nutrients by it's many many branches. But in the end, the nutrients, oxygen etc from within the blood vessels must still diffuse across the cell membrane of all the cells in the body. It possible whatever causes the regeneration (modified DNA coding enzyme, Claire/Adam magic, whatever the hell you want to call it) simply diffused from cell to cell till it reached Noah's head where it found things to heal. It shouldn't be too hard to believe that if you can believe a victim of major radiation can be healed within a few minutes for the blood. If it works that quickly with the creation of new cells, why not with the diffusion between cells? You can try explain most things in similiar ways. How did he heal when he was dead? Maybe some of his cells still received enough nutrients from the outside via direct contact (skin) and were still alive or the magic blood actually works by coding the formation of new cells with the type of cell as well as size and location controlled by DNA.

This is a fictional show based on the concept of people with extraordinary abilities such as flying, mind reading and phasing. That should be a pretty clear indicator that basics of human anatomy will be constantly violated throughout the show. If you want to look at scientific specifics, go ahead, but it's just a never ending spiral of speculation about something that as far as we know doesn't exist. To me what happened with Noah is really only a natural step up from what Claire/Adam's power has shown to display so far, something I was somewhat ready for seeing how powers seem to be developing this volume (like Matt's).

Anyway, when I first saw the scene my one and only reaction was "YAY! BENNET ISN'T DEAD!". Yeah...

Edit: Oh, with all that said, I'd still be pretty ****** off if they start using the blood to bring back character's that have been dead for significant amounts of time (possibly excluding the "natural" regenerators like Claire and Peter who have been dead from things sticking in their heads). Even if it is a character I like. Not because of the science but because that'd lead to a whole bunch of cheap cop-out situations.

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While a good thought, think about the distance that those substances would need to travel to make it to the brain via diffusion. That would be about the equivalent of you walking from New York to Los Angeles just to make a deposit in your bank, or something like that.

The only explanation is that the writers continually show their ignorance about simple human anatomy and physiolgy and refuse to discuss their thoughts with someone in the medical field. I have been making this complaint since Parasite, and have long since grown tired of pointing out this fact. So, I now have to take what is shown and take it at face value to better interpret what the internal consistency of the show is. That's what keeps me involved with the show, without being able to do that I'd have given up a long time ago.

I do agree that it would be easy to buy that this regen blood would resurrect someone that was dead. I just don't like the fact that they did it. Like you said it could lead to a whole bunch of cheap cop-out situations. Though I would hate to see HRG go, Maybe he should have stayed dead. Not for any other reason then to let the viewers know that no matter how much you like someone it doesn't make them immortal. A shows content starts to go downhill when the writers take away from the story to appease the audience. It might seem like a good thing at the time, but after the story is over it won't call the audience back.

*Example would be that 'Donnie Darko' is a cult classic becuase at the end of the movie Donnie dies even though most people that watche the movie like him.

I keep seeing people say that if the heart doesn't pump then the blood doesn't go around the body.

While this is true, what's to say that they didn't stick the IV in HRG's arm and then shock him with a defibrillator a few times to pump the blood around? The defibrillator makes the heart contract so it mimics the pumping. So the blood would get to the places it's needed.

Let's not get a bit wild and speculate about those kinds of things. Defibrillators do NOT cause the heart to contract, especially if it's already stopped working. If you wish a discussion about the effects of a defibrillator, then I'd be happy to produce one, but won't go into it here.

Again, just realize that the writers created this scene without any secondary thought about the biology involved. It's not the first nor the last time we will see that. Just take it at face value and understand that you are right. HRG was dead. The heart had stopped. There is no way that the blood he was transfused be pumped throughout his body. But it was. Because the writers are idiots in this regard. End of discussion.

Remember when Claire got the stick in her head? Or when Peter got the glass in his? They were dead too, no blood was being pumped. This tends towards the idea that the blood doesn't have to be circulated to work, it could work locally.

I never really thought HRG would really die, and I don't think the blood curing thing is all that bad. It's not like they're bringing people back left and right (yet) so it might be a bit too early to call it a cop-out for the writers and producers. The thing I don't like, though, is that it's only been relevant in the last few episodes. You would think that if they knew Adam's blood had curing powers for the last three years that this may have come up at some point last season, like to bring back deceased company employees and/or people that could have helped the company like Chandra Suresh, Eden, Thompson, Linderman, etc. Even to cure Charles DeVeaux, omg I wish they did that, Richard Roundtree needs to come back again. He and his character are BMF's.

What would happen if you were an undead zombie-vampire and you bit into Claire, Peter or Adam? Just thinking outloud.

Maybe Adam has a different blood type than HRG, but Claire has the same blood type. Better yet maybe Claire is a universal donor. What is that type O-? (I sound smart because I just looked that up)

But really if you want a reason why they would need Claire's blood that's the only one I got.

Beez,

Linderman is dead and Adam's blood is deadly (probably infected with the Shanti virus).

Creator

I guess that answers the question of whether tht was Claire's blood or not

You should have heard me when Mohinder shot him H.R.G. is cool, when I saw that I shouted more than a few choice Obscenity's at my TV plus I was kind of mad cause I thought Mohinder was going bad which would suck.