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Scofield
... he could save his dad by taking Claire\'s or even his homie Kensei\'s blood to resurrect his daddy!
companyman75
but kaito's already dead, something tells me that from now on hiro will refrain from messing with the space-time continuum (sp).
corrine
i think the show will be dumb if you could resurrect ANY one you wanted...

same goes if matt used his powers all the time. the whole show would just be illusions and forced thinking.
or if time travelling occured everytime when something went wrong
Jonii
"i think the show will be dumb if you could resurrect ANY one you wanted..."

Well, then the show is dumb. In this show, you can resurrect whoever you want. Hiro can save everyone he wants, and now Claire/Adam can also resurrect anyone they want. Hiro did not save his father because it was his fathers wish, so it doesn't really matter if he gets the blood or not. He offered his father a chance to escape his fate of dying there, and his father refused to accept. That's it.

But anyway, I really can't see how this show could go on for longer than few episodes. They're now officially divine beings, god-like. They have the power to fly, superhuman strength, they can heal any from any damage, they can read mind, predict the future, change the past...

I mean, being omnipotent means that storyline is quite boring, because it doesn't matter what's going to happen, you can do whatever you want. Only way to avoid this is to make them act in a stupid way, you know, the storyline that makes you want to go in the show because characters are too stupid to eliminate the problem with the powers they have, and you just can't stand watching them?
boardLizard
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i think the show will be dumb if you could resurrect ANY one you wanted...

same goes if matt used his powers all the time. the whole show would just be illusions and forced thinking.
or if time travelling occured everytime when something went wrong


Welcome to the downward spiral of all television shows.
JabbaPapa
QUOTE (boardLizard @ Nov 22 2007, 10:30 PM) *
Welcome to the downward spiral of all television shows.

LOL  laugh.gif  -- but Heroes uses many of the conventions of both role-playing games, and of much recent heroic fantasy focussing on magicians rather than warriors, contrary to any previous TV show (that I'm aware of anyway..)


Peter and Sylar belong to the classic archmage archetype of these genres, whereas it is perfectly normal that specialist magicians, like all the other characters are balanced against these archmages by being specialists, more skillful than the archmages in their own sphere. Peter and Sylar belong to the same archetype as Neo in the Matrix films...


Another convention of roleplaying games, tabletop and computer versions alike, is that characters progressively grow more powerful as they learn more about their powers and gain experience...

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IMO the various powers are actually balanced, and also IMO the creators, writers and editors have been very careful to always ensure realistic limitations to the powers once they have been defined, particularly limitations to the number of things any character can do at any one time -- best example is perhaps Peter in Volume Two, who has often been portrayed in a desperate mood of failure and frustration.
Creator
JabbaPapa,

You took the words out of my mouth! I concur.

Creator
CharlieNakamura
I agree that if the blood can truly resurrect the dead, it would be kind of ridiculous - they could potentially bring back anyone. But I don't think we know if the blood really has that power. HRG wasn't necessarily dead when he got the blood transfusion - people do survive being shot in the face. He might have been in a coma but still had some brain activity, heartbeat etc.

I do wonder what the future holds for Claire, when she eventually finds out what her blood can do. She has said several times that she would like to help people, so will she go public with her abilities and start donating blood 24/7 to be used to cure illnesses? Or she may decide to stay in hiding to avoid being turned into a permanant lab rat, as HRG feared.
JackManic
QUOTE (Jonii @ Nov 22 2007, 04:26 AM) *
"i think the show will be dumb if you could resurrect ANY one you wanted..."

Well, then the show is dumb. In this show, you can resurrect whoever you want. Hiro can save everyone he wants, and now Claire/Adam can also resurrect anyone they want. Hiro did not save his father because it was his fathers wish, so it doesn't really matter if he gets the blood or not. He offered his father a chance to escape his fate of dying there, and his father refused to accept. That's it.

But anyway, I really can't see how this show could go on for longer than few episodes. They're now officially divine beings, god-like. They have the power to fly, superhuman strength, they can heal any from any damage, they can read mind, predict the future, change the past...

I mean, being omnipotent means that storyline is quite boring, because it doesn't matter what's going to happen, you can do whatever you want. Only way to avoid this is to make them act in a stupid way, you know, the storyline that makes you want to go in the show because characters are too stupid to eliminate the problem with the powers they have, and you just can't stand watching them?


Exaclty what i was getting at in my thread. They are basically taking out one of the key items of Drama, that being Death. Now the only sort of drama would be through surprises or that of an epic battle(which is the way it seems like it will be going). The conflict will be the only thing that they can go to. atleast it seems that the sylar/maya/alejandro story shouldnt be tampered with. But who knows the direction they are going. and arent there only 2 episodes left? and with the writer's strike it seems like we will be seeing the alternate ending that they had in case of a writer's strike.
texgrog
QUOTE (JabbaPapa @ Nov 23 2007, 01:28 AM) *
IMO the various powers are actually balanced, and also IMO the creators, writers and editors have been very careful to always ensure realistic limitations to the powers once they have been defined,


I don't know about this. Sylar stopped and flipped a moving, several ton truck towards the end of season one. That doesn't seem to be a realistic limitation to me.

QUOTE (CharlieNakamura @ Nov 23 2007, 02:07 AM) *
I do wonder what the future holds for Claire, when she eventually finds out what her blood can do. She has said several times that she would like to help people, so will she go public with her abilities and start donating blood 24/7 to be used to cure illnesses?


Can you imagine a world without death? How horrible would that be? Over the span of just a few years, the human population would so outstrip its resources that the threat of global warming will seem a joke. That would scare me more than any pandemic virus that the writers could produce.
Lois Lane
There is more to this... We learned that Hiro now understands that death has a purpose. You cannot meddle with history or else you will get yourself burned.

This is another huge discussion of "What happened is Hiro left when he planned on it instead of staying to be with Kamiko?" Than Adam wouldn't be the jerk he is right?

Hiro now understands that his power is incredibly powerful and can wreck the space/time continuum with one mistake. That's why Future!Hiro was so careful to pick a time to warn everyone about the Cheerleader.

Now, onto the Marvel!Death. For those who read comics, Marvel has been killing off and reviving characters for decades. It work for them if they are well written. Yes, we have proven that Claire's blood can save anyone from death, but at what point is the person officially dead and cannot be saved?

I said in the another thread that saving Bennet will definitely come back to nip the Company in the butt the same way keeping Sylar alive did. And now we have to watch Mohinder suffer with the terrible thing he has done.

I think that Kring and staff have read enough comic books to know that this "get out of death free" card can only be used sparingly or else it will get dumb.

Don't worry... I think it will be just fine.
JabbaPapa
QUOTE (texgrog @ Nov 23 2007, 01:34 PM) *
I don't know about this. Sylar stopped and flipped a moving, several ton truck towards the end of season one. That doesn't seem to be a realistic limitation to me.

It's a realistic limitation within the terms of the Heroes universe --- clearly, moving objects with your mind is non-realistic --- but as the universe has been defined, so that objects can be moved by some people's minds, there is a clear limitation here, so that Sylar can only do so in his own here and now, or from a narrative point of view, within the limitations of his own focus.


But this is an interesting thread, as Volume Two has hinted that far more powerful feats may be possible --- so that Tsunamis can be turned into snowstorms  laugh.gif

I think the core of my point was that the powers are _balanced_ as related to each other, similar to the real world where no matter how powerful any individual may be, opposite forces just as strong will exist. Compare Sylar's ability to stop a moving ten ton truck with the powers of a real world terrorist or soldier for example...
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