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Wonder Twin Powers - Deactivate!

UGH - I can't wait until this storyline ends. Sorry, but I'm tired of the wonder twins. And Sylar kissing?! Bleh! Out of all the horrific things that have happened since Season 1, that has got to be the #1 thing that made my sking crawl...

Would have been cool if Alejandro's power was to temporarily drain others' powers...could have been useful if Sylar scalped him. Oh well.

Who is dumber and more gullible . . . Maya, Peter, Hiro, Matt, Mohinder or someone else. I can't keep up.

Unrealistic or stupid character reactions?, Claire, Maya, and Hiro

What the hell? Claire's scattering her father's ashes one moment, and saying she should have done what he said to do, and he'd still be alive, and then she says to Elle that she'll "tell everyone what she can do, and then YOU'LL be the one running!" That does NOT make sense at all!

Secondly, Hiro says upon meeting Peter, "Adam Monroe killed my father, and for that he must pay," instead of "Oh, this guy's planning to kill most of the world's population because he's gone crazy from being immortal." Then he charges at Peter with his sword? No calm, rational explanation?

Thirdly, about Alejandro, have they ever written off recurring characters from the series without killing them? There was Audrey Henson from Matt's storyline, but I'm betting she was driving Ted Spraque's truck when Sylar tumbled it over and died in the resulting car crash.

Fourth, when Sylar's stroking Molly's hair, does she have any idea what's going on? She seems like someone that'd be against kidnapping, but she's overjoyed.

Huh? When did they kidnap Molly?

Sylar said on the phone when he was talking to Mohinder that he convinced the babysitter to leave. Sylar also convinced Maya that he was personally friends or was close with Mohinder, so how would she know the difference?

She was supposed to keep low, to hide from the Company. And for that she apologized. Too late now though. But if she were to reveal herself, she could stop the Company that have been chasing them. She's trying to help fulfill her father's wishes.

Did you expect Hiro to suddenly start talking about everything Adam's done? Or do you expect Hiro to sit back and think for a moment while Peter was helping someone Hiro thinks to be evil?

Audrey Hanson was at the scene after Ted had been killed, to make a remark on his death. She's alive.

Molly was asleep.

We saw Audrey at the scene after Ted was killed.

Agreed.



If I recall correctly, right after Sylar turned over that truck Audrey randomly walked by, so I'm pretty sure she survived. But yeah, that trend is kind of lame.



I think Molly was sleeping, so I imagine she didn't know what was going on. And he "convinced the babysitter to leave", whether that means he killed them or used his power of persuasion (which he isn't supposed to have!).

Zach is alive. Janice is alive. Meredith is alive. Claude is alive. Heidi is alive. Tina is alive. Brody is alive. Sanjog is alive. Each of them, currently, written out of the show, but alive.

What kind of a trend is that?

There are all sort of things that TV writers do to make a one hour serialized drama fly.

Some of it is forgivable - some of it isn't.

Hayden Panettiere is, generally speaking, a rather gifted actress. She's proven she is capable of delivering some Triple A work on the screen.

But the writing of this episode was so impossibly bad when it came to her "grief" subplot that there was no way that Hayden could pull it off. She was wooden and her lines were past wooden - they were so hollow they had moved on to bamboo. It just was an entirely unbelievable segment on a show which is about unbelievable things.

The viewer can accept that people get up after getting blasted by shotguns. We can accept that people time travel - or freeze time or learn how to be a second story burglar from an Ipod. We can accept these things because they are the point of the show - and because they are unfamiliar.

But grief is not unfamiliar. Once a viewer experiences that - they don't forget it. And, having known what it looks like - we know when a false impression of it on the screen is when it is placed before our eyes.

Part of writing a show is knowing what the viewer can accept - and knowing what your actors can pull off. In this case, the whole Claire subplot in Episode 10 gets a big "F". It was poorly conceived, poorly written, poorly acted and poorly directed. The one thing on the show that should have felt real - didn't.

Maya and Peter would be at the top of my list.

Would've been a smarter move for Monica aka St. Joan to watch the Matrix and a couple of Bruce Lee flicks before busting into a gang's hideout. Or a simple film about zipping one's backpack lol. Hindsight is 50/50 but man that was such a waste of a great power and potential knock down show out with Monica and about 6 gang members. Too bad Jessica is the only to have killed that many people at once. Now Niki has to die to save Monica.

totally!
are we to believe that after spending tha last few weeks watching kung fu and gymnastics and all that sort of thing that she couldn't have kicked some major assage there on those thugs? that was the biggest dissapointment this episode.

I was more so thinking she could have gotten out of the house without having to hide like that. She climbed up to the second floor. The gang members came in the front door and started to head upstairs. Why didn't she just jump back out of the window when they were no longer by the door? Trying to hide on the ceiling just seemed unnecessary. Even if she didn't escape the way she came, there had to be more windows on the second floor of the house. I'm positive she could have gotten out easily.

Oh yeah, and what you guys said. She should have been able to whoop the crap out of those thugs.

The whole thing with Adam and the virus was too contrived. They wanted adam to appear evil and so they made him evil. But they never gave an explanation. They never said why the company let him live. They never explained why they were doing the research originally. Why they didn't atleast destroy "strain 138" (ooohhhh). Worse the lab was obviously not equipped to handle biological agents. Labs which work on potentially deadly bio agents have a lot more security procedures. This looked like my lab, absolutely nothing deadly. Also you don't keep potentially deadly agents in test tubes in a vending machine.

But for me the deal breaker was how they made Adam evil without explaining motivation (obviously for reasons of time) and spent 50000000 hours on Niki/Micah etc. "Oh no! my backpack is stolen. OMG !

I really wanted the St. Joan storyline to go somewhere. Obviously the stupid bug even made it down to NOLA and bit Monica. Why not leave out the window? Wny not go all Bruce Lee on those gangstas? Granted, she might not have the strength, but she should have the reflexes.

Ooooh! My backpack! URP!

I thot grammy and Niki were gonna talk to the police. If Monica knew where they lived, why wouldn't she tell them during the day so they could go over there and get the damn backpack?! Are they trying to tie-in the modern "no snitching" thing into the Heroes world? Bleh.

And prolly Peter's most trusted friend (now that he's gotten all of his memory back), Hiro, shows up and he suddenly doesn't trust him?! Waah? Two people have told Peter that Adam's a bad man and Peter won't listen?

Why doesn't Peter go see his brother for advice? Or just go ask his mother, now that Adam told him she was one of the original 12. He can trust his mother, can't he?

UGH!

Meh.

"Hello. My name is Peter Petrelli, you saved my brother. I must defend you at all costs."

(bad paraphrase, but it works. )

I would like to add Mohinder and basically just everyone else except for HRG. The one who is accused of acting selfish, ignorant and irrational within the show is the only one whose actions are 100% comprehensible.

Hiro again warned to not go back in time for fear of messing things up and he still goes. Take away this guys drivers license. One day he going to get really drunk at a happy hour and who knows where he will end up.

I gotta gripe...why won't Hiro take Ando with him? He just pops back and forth to work...poor Ando gets left in the dust all the time. Give Ando a shot at being a hero!

I expect this topic to be full since this past episode was one of the worst episodes I have seen in awhile.

-Monica storyline is so pointless and boring , Please die in the finale.

-Alejandro dying was good , now get rid of Maya too. She is a complete waste of space and camera time.

-Adam's weak spot is a shot to the head? Since when is heroes highlander ? Pretty lame if you ask me

-Victoria Pratt. Ok that was pointless and idiotic to focus the attention on her for that long.

-Elle watching the Bennets. That was comical and annoying all at the same time.

-WTF were the writers thinking this whole episode had no sense of direction at all. Such a friggin waste of time ! grrrrrrrrr

Monica's storyline is still setting up. It will probably be explored further in Volume III.

Alejandro and Maya have never been a waste. They've been a vehicle for Sylar to return to America. I think this episode has been the best for their storyline.

We've always know that the head was the key to killing Adam. We learned that from Claire in Volume I.

OK, I will admit, it would have been nice to see Victoria around a little longer. But I think the point of her scenes were to further explain the virus and really confuse us further on who is good and who is bad.

Elle watching the Bennets was indeed hilarious, and Kristen Bell is an amazing actress who pulled that scene off wonderfully.

The writers are setting up for the finale of Volume II next week. And perhaps the reason the episode seemed terrible was because last week was such an amazing episode.

Have a nice day.

I'm so tired of HElle. She brings nothing dynamic to the show. I'm tired of Maya...her brother has always had Maya's back...even after she wiped out all their friends and family. Sylar even confessed to killing him Mom and Maya is all like, "Yeah, I understand Sylar...my lover, my brother must not come between our love and our destiny"..yuck, how cheesy and stupid is that...it's moments like these when I'm not a Heroes fanatic. OK, Heroes don't keep going down this corny path.

Wow you just have all the answers dont you. This post was not intended just for you so if you dont have any gripes or vents of your own stay out of this damn thread and let us vent in peace.

I dont need your wiseass remarks in this thread.

Thank you and dont have a nice day

People shouldn't be barred from posting in threads because they think differently from the majority of posters there. You don't have to respond to his comments if you don't want to.

And anyway, he makes valid points. But I suppose if you didn't like the episode, it's just not going to sit well with you either way. Heres hoping you enjoy next weeks.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to post in here. Sorry. I'll remember the next time I have any wiseass remarks. Oh I guess I should include a gripe about the episode. The line where Claire was listing all the things that hurt her, was totally cheesy..blah.

The killing/resurrection of HRG happened way too quickly. And in the previews for next week's episode, we see that HRG already makes it back to his family. Um, how is Claire supposed to learn from her mistakes when there are no consequences to her actions? Let the Benets go for another 8 or 9 episodes until you reveal that he's still alive, otherwise what's the point?

The Company's actions make little-to-no sense whatsoever. Their motives and actions flip flop more than a politician's.

Why introduce Victoria Pratt and kill her in the same episode? Shoddy writing! Her storyline and mystery should have been set up months ago.

Why didn't Hiro kill Adam last week when he came after Kaito? He could have respected his father's wishes and let him die, and then chopped Adam's head off after they hit the pavement.

Bob promises to stop bothering the Benets, then makes Elle follow Claire, and then the preview for next week's episode shows HRG telling his family that he made a deal with the Company assuring that they'll never bother the Benets again. More flip flopping.

And Maya is the dumbest human being on earth by letting Sylar manipulate her lafter all that she's seen Alejandro do for her. "I know you hate me." WTF?

There's a lot more, but I'm too angry to write. This season has been a tremendous letdown. None of the characters act like they have any sense whatsoever anymore.

Ugh, I HATED the ending. I really hope neither of those two dies. Even though Peter is acting quite stupid, hes trying to do the right thing. And Hiro finally knows how to use his powers without @#($ing everything up. I really hope they don't fight for real. And sadly, if they do i'm sure Hiro will lose.



P.S. I like Hiro more.

This episode would rock if it didn't feel like a soap opera *cough* As the world turns *cough* no offence, i absolutely LOVED Atwt, but really.. this is HEROES! The whole episode was cheesy, i had to click pause every 5 seconds except the parts of Adam, Hiro, Ando, Peter, HRG. And i hate that Nathan WASN'T %&$*%*$%* in this episode same goes for Matt!

Really, i feel like the writers are rushing things.. it all started so good with Four Months Later

Amen! That bugged me.

Oh and Mohinder is by far the dumbest ever!

Know what bugged me, The young Kaito! What? I think that guy had less hair than Kaito did 30 years later.

What really bugs me is, how did they know where to find Victoria Pratt? *snaps fingers* Just like that.


Also, where is Matt? Molly is at home, sleeping alone?! In New York, in THAT dingy building?! Too easy for Sylar to just stroll in and pet her while she sleeps.

Ok, the scenes with "Young Kaito" supposedly take place in 1977. Well, last episode we saw Hiro in the past at his mother's funeral, which had to be sometime in the 80s... are you telling me that we're supposed to believe that Kaito's appearance changed THAT much? LOL. They should have just used George Takei again.

As everyone else has stated, I'm really tired of these characters behaving like utter morons. Peter, Maya, Monica, Hiro, and Claire all had some really dumb scenes. Claire's threat to Elle made me scratch my head with its nonsensicalness. Peter not using his mind reading powers to see if people are telling the truth. Maya trusting Sylar and shunning her brother (WHAT?). Monica hiding instead of escaping, and then getting KO'd when she is supposed to have all of those abilities (we saw her watching Bruce Lee for frak's sake!). Hiro running at Peter at the end instead of the two talking... DUMB.

HRG and Parkman seem to be the only characters on this show with a shred of sense.

How funny. I didn't pay attention to that. I thought it was amazing that at the funeral young Hiro didn't notice that he had two dads in attendance. The older Kaito was real close. I've been wanting to post this but I can't think of how to word it so it doesn't sound dirty. Here goes, I thought in time travel it could cause something catastrophic if Hiro were to touch himself.

I think Hiro's mother's funeral occured somewhere around 1990, not 1980. The funeral was 17 years back from the present. But you're still right. The difference was too pronounced, and they should have used Takei again. Maybe de-age him with those awful special effects used in X-Men 3 on Magneto and Charles Xavier.

On a side note, I want more of the older generation! Young Victoria Pratt was hot. They should of reversed her casting with Caitlin's.

As to the things that annoyed me this episode:

1. Alejandro went out like a punk! I didn't like him, but they didn't have to make him go down like a mealy-mouthed punk. He should have brought a weapon to smash Sylar's head in as soon as he opened the door, missed and in the ensuing struggle Sylar luckily manages to stab Alejandro. Instead the scene just played out as fan service.

2. The writers of the show can't write smart women. Every chick on the show has annoyed me this season, except Monica until last night. Maya and Claire in particular have been inexplicably stupid. And why didn't Monica simply go out the way she came when those guys entered the building. Ughh...

3. Hiro's failure to explain anything to Peter. C'mon man, Hiro has been Peter's greatest ally, and he knows exactly what Peter can do. Hiro should have tried to avoid a potentially deadly showdown. With time frozen, there was no excuse for Hiro not to try to reason with Peter.

4. Peter is so dumb. Dude, take a second to think things through!

Overall, this was a disappointing episode, but I'm just hoping that it was the calm before the storm.

Speaking of worthless powers. Alejandro's power was to counteract his sister's power that she could do all by herself. If she was dead what good would his powers be? I'm thinking they must have had the same power but he was not as emotional as she was.

-- The fact that Claire scattered HRG's ashes while everyone else sat mulling in the background, even though one of them was married to the guy for the last 20 years and one of them is his son...

-- Hayden's incredible acting talent in that scene... where did it go? It unsettled me how false and cheesy it seemed... I'm watching Heroes, not The O.C.

-- Where the heck are Nathan and Matt?

-- Every moment I have to see Maya...

-- Alejandro's death... don't get me wrong, I want them gone, but please, stop killing off characters in silly ways just because you can't be bothered to write a better reason for them to leave...

-- Bob going to the Bennet's... yes, because that makes sense. They wouldn't possibly shoot you now would they Goldman?

-- Hiro's rather pointless trip to the past... he could have just read about it in another file instead of hiding round corners...

-- Peter's new power, how to vaguely get litter from the future to prove how dangerous the virus is, whilst having a 'Nam flashback and screaming someone's name...

-- Hiro somehow channeling Princess Bride at the end, "You killed my father, prepare to die" but not managing to pull it off...

-- And once more, Peter refusing to believe the blindingly obvious about someone evil who smiles when they pat him on the head like a good dog... think for a second Pete, why would you lock someone up for 30 years unless they were just a little bit dangerous? Stop being such a drip... maybe in Volume 3 you'll meet someone who's power is being really SMART...

The things I liked...

-- Shirtless Sylar... not because I have a man-crush on him or anything but because I'm going to enjoy reading the posts about it for the next week...

-- HRG's 4 seconds of "Oh my god, my family think I'm dead" proving that very occasionally, he does think of them... and not just Claire... Claire... Claire...

the whole "the Company is responsible for the virus" thing strikes me as revisionism (or retroactive continuity). if the Company had so much experience with the virus all along, why did they need Mohinder to help Molly last season?

unless they somehow knew Mohinder held the cure, but then why let him stumble upon it instead of pointing it out? that just doesn't work

no, i suspect this was an attempt to wrap up what would have been a longer, more mysterious arc

The funeral was 1990 but that is some major aging in 13 years. I think I've figured it out. Kaito, Victoria Pratt and Angela were exposed to one of the experimental drugs to they were using on the heroes to cure them of their powers. It robbed them of their powers but aged them 25 years on the spot. Angela and Victoria have had cosmetic surgery to reverse some of the effect but Kaito accepted his fate and remained old. They discontinued the drug but kept Adam in the hopes of a fountain of youth.


Plus why would they want to keep a virus that will wipe out the planet in a little glass tube with a cork in it? Oops.

He should have said..

"Hello, My name is Peter Petrelli, you killed Victoria...prepare to die" all Inigo Montoya ish

Merged from: Season 2 has been a COMPLETE waste of time, I have really lost faith in HEROES

I'm not the only one who thinks so...I finally found a reviewer that says alot of the things that I've been thinking watching this show crap out over and over.

"With just one episode to go before the Writer's Strike-imposed "finale," everyone gets cosmically powered with stupidity"

Here's the link: HEROES REVIEW

READ IT ----IT MAKES SENSE!

sucks to be you guys..

i adore this season.

i agree it started out kind of slow but ALL of the character plots are awesome now, imo.

*shrugs*

That reviewer was a lot more kind than I would have been.

He's right on the dot about the stupidity though. I kind of feel sorry for the actors...

Agree...enough said

I've enjoyed it very much, as much as the last season.

I really enjoyed Peter's mind wipe and his time with Kaitlyn and her brother as brief as it was.

Sylar's story, stayed true to him, rather than just accepting help and getting better, getting his powers back and then eating everyone's brains he could he continued his lone wolf villianism.

While it's annoying at times, Suresh is still the naive scientific optimist he always has been still hoping to do the right thing, such a common stereotype for this type of character.

Was it just me or was Matt the only person that got an upgrade in his power?

I admit I hated West but he's grown on me.

The only storyline that really don't fit with anyone elses or the main Story is Micah and group. Seems strangely detached, perhaps it will tie in next season.

The writing this season has been subpar and even Kring has admitted that the staff has made some major mistakes with the characters. What they have done to Peter is just horrendous. Peter's relationship with Adam should have been developed over the entire season so that at least we'd know how Adam has deceived Peter. I mean come on, I'm letting you go so don't go and grab the shot gun thats right next to your hand. Oops, I shot her. And Peter, don't read his mind or anything. He's just been accused of trying to realese a doomsday virus and has just killed someone right in front of you.. Yea Peter is an idiot! O and of course we never know how Adam manipulated a man who can plant false memories in your mind.. Such lame writing.

Claire, she is harder to write for b/c she is what 16-17? They should have made her a senior in high school in the first season. Things would work a lot smoother if she was 18-19 and working somewhere. I mean at least they could have her cut off a finger then have to dash and hide it before anyone sees it. And make her meet West in a community college or something. O and some intense dialogue could have helped instead of the jump and I'll catch you routine...

Hiro's arc was ALSO waaaay too long. He didn't have to be Kensei to make that storyline work. Monroe could have just gone mad w/ age and killed everyone off anyway. Its not like Hiro wouldn't want revenge. Monroe does kill his father and all.

And about Monica I hope she sticks around and Micah dies. Same goes for Maya or Molly. Axe the kids and show how the adults handle the loss of the ones they loved. Child actors are fun for awhile but I get tired of them.

I found that extremely annoying. Actually, it disgusts me. If anyone should have been doing the scattering, it was Sandra. Why were they standing there in the back? If anyone should have been standing in the back, it should have been Claire and her weirdo crush hanging their heads in shame. Did they forget that they caused Noah's death?

And Claire wanting to completely forget her Dad? No justification for that. Only the most self-centered of people would think like that.

He talks about formula and I am seeing so many similarities between the two seasons that it's not even funny. Yes, there is a few quirky lines and an occasional bad green screen, but overall I am seeing little difference in the overall quality. At least not enough to start seriously complaining...yet.

Agreed. I think the formula is the same. However he acknowledges that as the problem saying that you can't pick up this season with the pace that season 1 started at. That it should have picked up at the pace that season 1 ended at.

I have disagreed with majority of peoples complaints since day one though so..



THAT is actually in my latest parody that I am working on. That bugged me.

As did the fact that in the picture, Victoria Pratt looks all grown. However if she left the company back after the flashback like she insinuated than how was she in the picture looking about 30 years older?

Questions about T & C

So Mohinder leaves Molly (who is still fresh out of being trapped in Murray-World) with a baby-sitter while he runs out to California to kill/save HRG, suck some blood out of Claire and then head to New Orleans to shoot up Niki with Claire's blood (and guaranteed he won't make it there, instead turning around to get back to Molly)? Where is Matt? Can't these guys coordinate child-care or what?

In the meantime, Alejandro, who cannot speak English goes on the Internet at the office of the motel in Virginia, Googles Gabriel Gray and prints up (in English) a newspaper article that says GG is suspected of killing his mother. Dude can't speak English but he can read it and type it? Or did he use Babel-Fish?

Alejandro spoke in English to Sylar. I suspect he understood it all along.