Boom Headshot, Killing Spree

So a headshot will do ya! I guess we get the answer to alot of drama filled posts. Now we have to wonder why they didnt kill Adam, what they kept him alive for, why he hasnt died yet when peter and claire have died several times, why wouldnt his blood regenerate him a new head like it did HRG... the list goes on.

What ya'll think? Good news or bad?

Well, It's only with a shotgun, Methinks. A bullet, you can survive. Upclose with a shotgun, you can't.


WHY DIDN'T WE SEE POWERS! UGH! >.<

Off with Adam's Head

It is clear that Adam can be destroyed if his head is shot at, cut off, etc.
So, why was he kept alive?

Maybe Adam just assumes that a headshot will be the death of him. From what we know, he hasn't met anyone like himself, and from his statement that being shot in the head would be the end... he hasn't seen the result of a healer with a headshot... yanno?

FATALITY!

Like killing Vampires.

Tomorrows GN should show Adam meeting another like him.

We the viewers have known that separating the head from the body, or damaging the brain significantly will kill the person.

It's possible that Adam found out in the next GN?

Or perhaps in 400 years, he's figured it out for himself.

When did we find that out? i know that claire had the stick in her head, but i don't remeber hearing it specifically

what about drowning? i don't think healing would save you from that. healing does not equal breathing underwater. maybe that is angela or kaito or victoria's power. i guess we'll never know since the writers refuse to tell us.

Interesting to hear a way to permanently kill a regenerator. Wonder how many regenerators were killed this way. Victoria knew about it, too.


Last week's Graphic Novel showed Adam in the Revolutionary War meeting someone who seems to be like him. That was part 1 and part 2 should be out tomorrow.

Indeed

OBVIOUSLY they were keeping him alive because they knew his blood is a CURE for the virus they were developing. They can't simply release the virus and somehow expect to be immune. They needed to wait for someone like Moho to come along and synthesize a cure (since Victoria gave up and got out).

ok, if they were keeping him alive to use his blood as a cure, then there are much better ways to go about it raher than keeping a dngerous man alive in your prison. How about hooking him up to an IV for a year and just draining all the blood out of him on a continual basis. i'm sure they could have sucked out at least 3 metric buttloads of blood from him, enough to last a LONG time, and then just shove a splintery wooden spike throughhis head, dracula style, then seal him in an iron coffin and sink him to the bottom of the mariana trench where the water pressure would be so great that it would crush the metal coffin and him in it, thus making it impossible to regenerate.
the writers have some major explaining to do if they are to be forgiven for this horrible oversight...

I think Adam was lying about the way to kill him. Here's my logic as to why...

1) Adam obviously setup Victoria Pratt to die by releasing her. He knew she would make a menacing movement toward Peter or himself when he untied her giving him an excuse to kill her in front of Peter and still look like a good guy. By telling Peter that line about "there's no coming back from that" to justify his killing of Victoria.

2) When Adam and Peter were talking in their cells before breaking out, when Peter asks why he's been locked up for 30 years, Adam says "Believe me, if they could find a way to kill me, they would have long ago." This, to me, is more of a truthful moment and suggests that Adam can't be killed by any means.

Theres a lot of "Why didn't they kill Adam" going on.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Obviously there were people at the company (Bob, Lindermen, etc) who WANTED Adam alive. Why? A myriad of reasons im sure. For his blood, for testing. Go only knows.

You saw what happened when Pratt tried to destroy the virus. She couldn't, she was powerless. Obviousy you can't just walk into his room and blow his brains out. If it *were* that simple he'd be dead. But there are people there to stop it.

No matter how dangerous someone is, it doesn't seem like it's The Company's policy to just outright kill them. Especially if they can use that person to their advantage.

If they did decapitate him, how would you return from that? Would he grow a new head? Or would his head, the brain, grow a new body? Or both? Then there would be 2...

he would obviously grow a new body since his powers come from the brain.
but i think he would be dead if someone slices his head off.. i think...o_O

regarding decapitation, it is physically impossible for the head to grow a new body. There isnt enough matter in the head to form a new body from, and since matter can not be created, it wouldnt work.
Also, regarding testing of adam... If they were so desperate to test him (enough to leave a super dangerous dude alive), why did they let claire go so easily?

and one last thing... If linderman, maury, bob, ect. wanted adam kept alive, why would they imprison him? either you're on his good side, or you arnt. if you arnt on his good side, he is obviously a person that you wouldnt want alive.

My question is, couldn't they just stick something in the back of his head, thus killing him, and if they ever needed him in the future, just pull it out?

Pulling out is always risky

I'm not sure how long that could actually work for. Could it slide out on it's own eventually? Plus I don't think he'd be too happy reviving from something like that in his head.

I'm not exactly sure why the Company kept him alive if they knew a way of killing him. Maybe they wanted to have him availaible if they needed him. Just keeping him captive was good enough for that I guess and they may have felt it was the most humane way. Maybe the Company was wanting to prevent him from spreading the virus while at the same time being somewhat humane, as odd as that may be for the Company.

From the way Victoria said the line about blowing his head off I jusy assumed it was a theory she had that just never got tested.

And sometimes it's hard to cut the head off of a friend, ya know -- even after all they have done.

Well, I was thinking maybe somthing that was strapped to his head, so that it would stay lodged in the back. But really, would he be any more angered than being locked up for 30 years. But in the end I do feel that they had a reason to keep him alive, we just don't know it yet.

Where is D.L. at to pull a Fatality when we need it? lol

Here's how they could get rid of Adam permanently:

Hiro freezes time and removes his head with his sword;

Bob turns Adam's head and body into gold;

They encase Adam's body parts in separate pieces of concrete;

Hiro then travels 1,000 years into the future and teleports the pieces of concrete into deep space, where they will presumably float forever.

There ain't no comin' back from that one!

Wow, that might actually work.

Yeah, same.

The company is not stupid. I think they always knew how to kill Adam. I'll bet they kept him alive as a cure for the lethal strain. Yes they could have kept a sample of his blood however blood outside of the body has a shelf life. In a normal person than is only a few months. Adam's blood may last longer but probably not indefinitely. When he was imprisoned 30 years ago they didn't know much about genetics and he was the only cure for the mutated Shanti virus. As long as they insisted on keeping that strain in storage they needed to keep him around just in case. They probably thought they could keep him in prison forever or until they had the technology to invent a cure or a new healer like Claire cropped up. I'll bet they would have gotten rid of him once they knew for sure the Claire's blood would work.

Im going to repost something I posted in a seperate board that is along the lines of this whole "head-gone=death" thing, because I think Ive summed it up in a pretty logical way.

peter came back to life quickly enough to save nathan when he literally exploded at the end of season 1. a nuclear bomb would do far more damage than a shotgun blast to the head, so i don't think that would be enough to bring down adam/peter/claire.

in a fictional world where heroes exists, anything is possible so theories based in reality don't really apply. considering what some of the heroes can do, a head regenerating a complete body doesn't seem so impossible.

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Sorry, I just have to correct something here.



The problem with this is that the radiation powers that Peter got from Ted do not harm the user. Remember how Ted was going nuclear in the Bennet house and he wasn't hurt. The explosion that Peter caused did not blow him up or hurt him in any way. Peter did not explode, he just GENERATED an explosion.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion...
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It's obvious that Adam is manipulating Peter but the question is why? Why in the hell would Adam want to release a virus and kill the world. He seems bad but not really really bad. My theory is that the Shanti virus is the only thing strong enough to kill Adam. I'm thinking after 400 years Adam wants to die because he is tired of all the pain and suffering. And he thinks that releasing the virus is the only way for him to die.

My other theory is that Bob wants to release the virus when the time is right. That is why he wanted Claires blood, for a precaution. Bob seems weird!

In this episode, when Hiro goes back to the point in time where Kaito has Adam locked up, Adam says that he was doing it to save the world and in his 400 years he has seen the pattern. All this points to Adam believing that in order for mankind to survive, there has to be some cleansing event every so often that wipes out a lot of the population. Plagues, wars, famine, etc. in his opinion are all necessary for mankind to evolve and survive. He thinks he is doing this for the future good of mankind.

Or he just told that to peter so he can excuse himself from killing Victoria



Amen to that Brother!

Well I definitely think that Adam released her to have an excuse to kill her.

However, I think it's very possible that the way to kill him is to cut off his head. Or destroy his brain rather. I'd hate to see someone cut off his head and a new body start growing from his neck. Heh.

Seems like the brain is the obvious hub of the operation so if you destroy it than you may be safe.

Why didn't the company kill him? Why would they? They are shady as hell and wanted him around for something I'm sure.

Well, we all know that Adam wants to release the virus, but the Why is the tricky part. I am sure he isnt doing it "Just for the sake of being evil", he most likly has a perfectly rational reason (at least to him), the same way the founders had a reason for letting peter explode. His logical reason just happens to involve the deaths of 97% of the world. Also, I'm curious... if this pandemic is so bad, why did the 3% survive? were they not exposed? Resistant? Somthing else?

and come on people, I cant believe how many people are still arguing about how Adam is Immortal, and would "grow a new body", ect. Until we are told differently, the creators/writers have straight up said, "There is no coming back 'from a headshot'." This show is based around theoriticaly plausible science, and no science anywhere says a head can grow a new body. Just accept that Adam can be killed, but is alive for some unknown reason.

I can see why people might think Adam was lying or somthing, but what he says goes completly in line with everything we know about regenerative powers. Brain damage= Bad.
Why assume he is lying when what he says makes sense?

I thought it was obvious why Adam was kept alive, as it was pretty much explained in the conversation between Kaito and Victoria. Adam had help in getting to the virus, he wasn't acting alone. So there was disagreement among the company founders, some supported Adam, and some were against him, so they locked him up as a compromise. I would assume the company is run the same as most other companies and any major decisions are decided by a vote of the founders, a split vote resulted in Adam being locked up instead of being freed or killed.

As for why 3% were kept alive? Well, some people obviously had access to the cure that Mohinder made from Claire's blood. We saw Angela was one of the lucky ones to get the cure, and I would bet the other surviving founders also got the cure. So the surviving 3% were the lucky ones who lived in remote places, government officials with access to bio gear, and those the company wished to save.

Oh, and I still think Bob is working with Adam. Bob doesn't seem to be wanting to destroy the virus, he could have done that at anytime now that he is in control of the company, he just wants to perfect a "cure" before it is released so that he and his buddies can be immune to the destruction they plan to cause.

If Bob was working with Adam, why would Maury attack him? Sure it could have been a ploy or a ruse, but Adam lost a serious henchman as a result. Also, if some of the company founders wanted what adam wanted, why in the world would they ever allow him to be locked up? if they were close enough with adam to be ok with him killing 97% of the world, why would they let him rot in jail for 30 years? Why not mastermind an escape plan instead of a NYC nuke?

How bout we throw Adam into a woodchipper? I'm pretty sure that'd get the job done.

Or, if you want powers being used...

Hiro freezes time. Sylar, not wanting Adam to "take all the glory", does his little trick of appearing whenever it's plot-convenient/Sylar-convenient. After Adam is thrown through the woodchipper, Sylar freezes the pieces with his cryokinesis, having somehow gotten his powers back. Said pieces are launched into space, headed towards the sun. That way, when Adam's pieces unfreeze, on the offchance they start coming back together, he might be somewhat coherent in time to feel himself fry.

Done and gone.

Or it could be like Insider said. In a steel, concrete-reinforced coffin. Buried alive. Next to Kaito.

If a simple shotgun blast to the dome could kill Adam/Peter/Claire, then I'm pretty sure that being in a tent that's filled with enough gunpower for an ENTIRE ARMY when it explodes is enough. Oh wait, it wasn't. And no, Adam was not wearing his helmet when it blew. He was right there, next to all the explosives. The next day we saw his charred body on the ground. While yes, his head was intact, that sort of shockwave would liquify a human brain. I'm pretty sure he can't die, considering he contradicted himself to Peter.

"If they could find a way to kill me I assure you, they would have."

and then...

"She was about to take your head off Peter. There's no coming back from that one."

Which is it Adam? I'm starting to understand why Peter is always so confused...

Could it be possible that the healing properties of his blood are inactivated once he dies.

Lets say if he dies it causes all those healed by his blood to die or to return to there state prior to recieving the blood.

That would be a good reason to keep him alive. It would keep Peter from letting him be killed or killing him, because then Nathan would die.

Just a theory, but I thinkit would not be a bad storyline.

"Then this virus will kill us all." Pretty sure Angela doesn't have the cure and If Peter doesn't go back and save the world, she'll die along with it.


And Victoria said, "I always thought..." She said "I always thought..." Meaning it was a theory that hadn't been tried. I'd want to be sure I could kill a man like that before I killed him. It might be something they would have used Claire to test. Which is another reason why I think Angela may have been hiding Clarie beyond the equally fabulous, "I don't want you to become me."