Well, from what we saw in the beginning of the episode, mohinder is the one who brought HRG back... mayhaps on Bob's orders of course, but still brought him back nonetheless... does he get brownie points for that or no?

also, what about with him and Bob? He pretty much straight up told Bob that they were going to destroy every strain of the virus... He's taking command over the arc of the volume pretty much... not literal command, but he's doing anything he has to so that the virus is destroyed... Brownie points for THAT, or no?

Thoughts, feelings? What do you think? I for one, as a MAJOR HRG fan, I can honestly say that Mohinder has gained some Brownie points... he's not as high up on the list as he used to be, but after last week's eppy and this week's, I'm really starting to see Mohinder in a new light... Not as the bumbling professor, but more in a badass sorta way...

Got a new type of Respect for mohinder, but I still don't like him as much as I used to... Maybe this'll lead to new possibilities for Mohinder's character?

No change in feelings for me. He is still blindly trusting the Company to do what he wants. If Primatech really wanted the virus gone, they would have destroyed it instead of keeping it safe. I guess Mohinder hasn't realized that.

but, he's playing on Bob's good side, which we know bob has, and telling him they will destroy the virus... but will they do it? thas what I wanna know

Hmmm..I dunno. Let's ask HRG.







Well, it doesn't look like a forgiving face, but give it time.

Man, that was really funny. >.>

oh of course HRG wouldn't forgive him... if he did, i'd have to knock HRG a few points down on my list... I mean really, "Oh yeah, you shot and then killed me? Nah it's okay, I didn't mind dying and then allowing my family to be put through a few days of mortal anguish... no it's all good, no worries! "

if HRG did that, he would lose my respect... not entirely, but he would soooo get knocked down a peg...

I wanna see HRG shoot Mo in the face, bring him back, and see if he forgives him.

I forgive Mo a bit, and was almost ready to forget he shot Noah, but then he pulled out the "Idiot Card" and told him he was a loyal company man. I am kind of glad to see that they are stickng with "Dumb Mo", because i think after he meets up woth Sylar, we are going to be very interested with how he ends up.

I think he's doing a lot of things people yelled at him for NOT doing last season.

1.) Ditched an ally who turned on him - HRG.

2.) Accomplished what he set out to do - develop a cure for Niki's strain of the virus.

3.) Recognizes a threat that's right in front of his face (the virus), and by the way, before most other characters did.

Now he really needs to let the Bennets know he brought HRG back to life, before they declare a fatwa on him. I would not want a ****** off Claire on my case.

I don't think Mohinder was an idiot in this one. Did you see his evil face after Bob asked what he could do for him. I think Mohinder got Bob exactly where he wanted him. Seems he might have had a plan bigger than just Bennet's and Bennet's craziness got in the way.

Has Noah given him any reason NOT to trust the company other than "they are trying to get my daughter" who happens to be a cure for many problems?

i completely agree /\. i fully understand Mo's motives and thinking now. before tonight i thought he was the dumbest smart person ever born. i also have a new found respect for Claire after the way she handled Elle.

Mo is still dead to me.

Now he's given a "Sophie's Choice" -- he has to decide whom to save, Molly or Niki. If he were truly smart he would save Niki first and then return to Molly, but knowing Mo and how he wears his brain on his sleeve...he'll go to Molly and get scalped. Sigh.

well, not only that but, he tells him all of the bad stuff that the company has done, tagging people, killing others etc etc... the only problem, and the reason why mohinder started to work for the company, was mainly because mohinder met bob and saw that he was a good guy...

so, Bob is doing his best to sort out the mistakes of the other founders, which if you think about it caused HRG to believe that the company is just plain evil (which we know it's not, it's just grey)... Bob is ttrying to make the company good again, but HRG doesn't want to hear it...

then mo sees what Bob wants to do and what he wants to change, turns into a company man, and then HRG, not willing to see it mohinder's way, ruins everything for Bob and mohinder, almost, and gets himself shot in the eye...

HRG is just a misguided badass, imo, who needs to see things from another perspective... he needs to see the situation from all angles, including Mohinder's POV... that's why i'm willing to forgive Mohinder, just because he sees something that HRG doesn't want to see...

He hasn't redeemed himself in my eyes.

Blaming HRG for what happened? I can't in the least believe that it was all HRG's fault.

And being so wreckless as to let molly get stuck in the hands of Sylar? Smooth.

Isn't that technically Parkman's fault? He was apparently the Home Parent while Mohinder was out shooting people in the face.

Plus, everyone thinks Sylar is dead.

well, mohinder thought molly was with matt, i believe... i doubt he would let her stay home alone with all that has happened...

and not only that, it was HRG's fault, but no where near was it ALL his fault... both sides were at fault in this situation... things coulda been a whole lot different if both sides just stopped and talked it all out rationally... but then again, that doesn't make for good TV

also, it's spelled Reckless, not Wreckless that would be implying that no wrecks occured at the time


yeah, there is that too... everyone thought sylar was dead...

Mohinder hasn't made up for last week.

Seriously. I feel rather stupid for defending him the way I did today when he freaking consciously made that choice to shoot Bennet! It wasn't a spur of the moment, overwhelmed reaction, he knew what he was doing!
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HOWEVER.

Demanding that Bob help him destroy all the samples of the virus?

ILU.

Does Bob know HRG is alive?

Whatever. I could care less how it's spelled.

Point in point, Mohinder just seems to be falling.

yeah, Bob wouldn't let that bag of claire's blood get out of his sight or possession unless he wanted it to... and I doubt that Mohinder would be able to hide that from Bob...

it's not like he stayed behind while Elle and Bob drove away from the scene and then took HRG's body with him...

also, in speaking of driving away, Mohinder was in that big van with elle and bob at the end of the last episode... what I wanna know is, what would elle and Bob need that big van for unless they were, *drumroll plz*, transporting a body?

just my two cents

That's so funny because I was crossing my fingers going "Man, I HOPE Mohinder planned it and wasn't just flailing stupidly with the gun." Too bad we're having to choose between Nice and Clueless.

Mohinder was never dead to me.

Seriously, Mo-haters, what else do you want him to do?

He's revived HRG, discovered a cure for the virus, pwned Bob, going to cure Niki ... meanwhile Sylar's doing a million times more horrible things (than Mo did shooting HRG), yet some of us are cheering Sylar on, thinking he's a complete badass (which he is but still...principle!)

There was a moment of understanding dawning on HRG's face when Mo was yelling at him, explaining his reasons for shooting him. That should make one realize that HRG was the one who was clueless, not so much Mo!

What's the real harm here? A crying Claire? Boo hoo, she'll grow up! She already wants to forget! NO one is dead anymore, not HRG, not Bob, not Elle, not Claire!

perfectly put

Okay, why is it that Sylar is stabbed in Kirby Plaza. Everyone sees him die lying there, but suddenly the body is just gone. So they just presume that Sylar is dead?

Why didn't Mohinder and/or Matt have Molly try to find Sylar like she did before? Sometimes the entire cast can just be stupid!

which is why i'm willing to overlook the fact that mohinder killed HRG... he brought him back and did so much other stuff to redeem himself, imo...

I mean really, what more do we want from him? do we want him to kill Bob and bring the company, along with the virus, down? do we want him to kick Sylar so hard he makes Gabe come back? do we want him to give niki a good story, or for that matter, a story at all? do we want him to go to claire and say he's sorry?

what more can Mohinder do to redeem himself than he already has? anyone have an opinion on this?


you have to sorta suspend disbelief on this part... we know candice took him away from kirby plaza, so that means she made people not see her dragging him away... we also know that everyone saw him die, so they just assume...

so, for plot purposes, you kinda have to suspend disbelief... the characters themselves didn't see what happened to the body, and quite frankly, after all that had just happened in front of them, I don't think they cared enough to look at a dead body... just my two Cents...

bob got claire's blood for mohinder to work with, so it makes sense that mohinder would have the blood to use as needed.

that's what I was implying in my post

So is Sylar baby gonna get the cure from Moho and then scalp the sleeping tot and ol' Black Eyes? All thanks to the bloody bag (Claire)...

Mohinder is trusting Bob the same way Peter is trusting Adam. Both Bob and Adam are "agreeing" to destroy the virus, but they have both known about it and it's deadly potential for over 30 years! They would have destroyed it long ago if that was ever their intention. Just because Mohinder says they are going to destroy it, doesn't mean it's going to get done. And, he did bring HRG back, but for what purpose exactly? And WHY would the company let Niki go when she's infected with this mutated strain of a pandemic virus that they aren't quite sure how it could be spread? How stupid is that!?!? She could have just given it to everyone in the house...they don't know. Here, let me sneeze on you...I have EBOLA! Did they not watch Outbreak? It's called Quarantine people. I guess they wanted a field test or something.. And I thought it was funny that Mohinder said Niki was an "innocent woman". Very far from it. He has no idea! Very naive Mohinder...

Mohinder reviving Noah does redeem him a bit. I understand him a bit better now. But he's really taken to the Company. I don't think the Company's as good as Mohinder thinks.

you're right, it's not entirely good... but it's not evil...

basically, we have two sides here that want the virus... adam wants the virus to kill billions so that he can change the world... evil side

the company, the one now with bob as the head, wants to use the virus so that they can take away abilities from those who want it to be taken away... they want to make a cure for those who don't want to be different...

but, both sides are wrong from what we have seen... for one, adam's wrong for using the virus to kill people... duh... the company is wrong for wanting to use the virus as a cure which, from what we have seen, just can't happen, the virus is too strong...

I'm inclined to give Mohinder Brownie points BECAUSE he's the only one who realizes that for everyone's good, the virus needs to be utterly and totally destroyed... he's the only one who has realized that...

you see, Mohinder gets the Brownie points for wanting to destroy the virus... but, whether or not he does destroy the virus is an entirely different story... he has so many things working against him, characters who want the virus for their own needs/wants, characters who want revenge, people doing their job, people protecting the ones they love, etc etc, that you can't judge him and discredit him based on whether or not he DOES destroy the virus...

you just have to see that Mohinder is pretty much the only character on the show who has realized what NEEDS to be done for the REAL greater good...

Yeah. I'm glad that Mohinder is taking his own path in wanting to destroy the virus. His intentions are good. I just hope it works out.

I agree. In fact, someone on Television Without Pity posted Mohinder's very first speech from the very first episode of this season:



I just realized Mohinder's known about the virus since the beginning of this season, and everything he's done has been in the service of destroying it. Joining the Company? Obtaining Claire's blood? Worming his way into Bob's good graces? Yeah, Mohinder's no dupe. He's had his own agenda from day one.

Have you guys ever seen that movie My Fellow Americans? Where there's a whole elaborate murder plot, and it turns out the idiot Dan Quayle-type vice president is secretly masterminding the whole thing, and he gets away scot-free because everyone assumes he's too dumb to plan out any kind of murders? That's what I think Mohinder's been doing this whole season. He doesn't trust Bob OR Bennet, as well he shouldn't. But he's played both of them this season by allowing them to think of him as a patsy, and so far he's gotten exactly what he wanted - they kept Molly alive, they didn't force him to inject Monica, and now he's got Claire's blood, to cure a new strain of the virus. At this rate, why shouldn't Mohinder keep going with the Company?

AND he told Bob he's been going through all of the Company's back records! Like he owns the place! Mohinder's either going to destroy the Company, or end up running it.

Pirate Heroes

as to the why'd they let an infected Niki go, she's infected comment. They tried, empahsis on that last word, to clear that up by mentioning a number of mutated strains exist, with strain 0138 being the deadly pandemic monsterbug. Niki told Micah she's not contagious and can't get anyone else sick, which suggests her's isn't an airborne strain like 0138 is.

I'm so bummed out by this episode that's about all I can respond to. Not on par with last week, or even some of the other bad subplots we've been subjected to this season. I just don't understand why we went through all these side stories, especially the twins and Victoria, to have them dead end like they did tonight. If things were changed b/c of the writer's strike I would have prefferred to wait awhile for the full season than have it shortened and revised to 11.

Okay, I lied. I can't remember who suggested Bob is good and trying to right the wrongs of the company. I don't see how you get that. That's how he played Mohinder for sure, but the man's bad on the surface, skin deep, and through and through. I love last episode where HRG points out to Elle the difference between her Dad and what he allowed to be done to her, and his parenting of Claire. Yeah, there are a lot of ethically gray characters in Heroes, which makes the show phenomenal - but I don't see Bob as one of them at all. He's about controlling people the company decides need to be controlled. He's okay with playing God and deciding who can and can't have superabilities. I don't see how either he or Adam represent a Good side, just not pure evil like Sylar.

first off, the bolded stuff... thx for ruining the movie for me! lol jk, i think I have to go check it out

also, Mohinder has had his agenda from day one, but I don't think he's an uber mastermind at all, at least not yet... I think mohinder is great at thinking on his feet... he has own agenda from day one, but he hasn't really had a plan to make sure he gets what he wants from day one... he's using people as they come, and that gets Brownie Points from me as well...

why? because I know HRG would do it too if he had to

haha, that would be me

what I meant by Bob being good was that he still can feel emotions and stuff and still feel sad and feel sorry for what he's done... yes, he is a manipulative character through and through, and he's doing what he feels he has to to make sure that what he thinks is "Good" happens...

so yes, you are right... he's a manipulative and grey guy... he's not evil, and he's not "Boy let's go hug some babies today!" good either...

he's like HRG's sort of good...

and where I get the "Righting the wrongs of the other founders" bit, was it just seemed to me that the virus was made to be a weapon... we know that from this last episode... Bob wants to use it to do something he feels is good, at least in his mind, rather than use it for its original purpose...

so, just like HRG, Bob is a misguided Good Guy who thinks he is doing the right thing when in reality, he's not...

Haha, it's actually a comedy and it came out about 11 years ago (I figured the spoilers had expired by now ). Doesn't really matter if you know the ending, it's basically James Garner and Jack Lemmon being Grumpy Old Presidents.



This is true, I'm not sure I'd go with "mastermind" just yet for Mohinder. But as you say, he has a pretty remarkable ability to think on his feet.

I also love that one of the recurring problems with Mohinder last season was that everybody lied to him... so this season it's like Mohinder's just given up and said "Fine, you all want to lie to me? I'll pretend to go along with it. Joke's on you. Bob."

Moho is not that smart! He's a geneticist, not a spy. And frankly, seeing him in spy mode is disturbing. Does everyone in the show need be a gun totin', plane catchin', cellphone talking wiseguy? Why can't they let Moho stay in the lab and with Molly where he acts his best?

exactly! why even try to tell mohinder anything anymore? he's gonna just do things his way now anyways, so it really doesn't matter does it?


smart in what way exactly? smart enough to think on his feet? the evidence in the show shows that easily enough... he may make the wrong decision in OUR eyes, but he does think on his feet and the decision he comes to always is meant to benefit him and anyone he wants to help...

like with the Peter and Sylar fight in episode 19 last season... Out of nowhere, Mohinder uses his map to take out Sylar... that's thinking on your feet...

Shooting HRG was thinking on his feet as well... He killed HRG to stop him from killing bob... then he just healed HRG... he got what he wanted, no one died, and they got claire's blood which was needed to help make a cure for the virus...

I love Noah. I hated Mohinder for last week.
I love Mohinder again.

I know we all prize our precious HRG for being badass and stuff, but I think what Mohinder said in the beginning put things into perspective for me. HRG is absolutely full of resentment and hate for the Company, and he'd love to go in guns blazing. Mohinder, I think, tries to keep it objective, despite his blunders and faults. Sure, it is a little naive of him to be trusting Bob to get what he wants (echo: trusting Thompson to get what he wants), but he won't be the only one heading over to Odessa...

...oh wait. He has to go back and protect Molly from Sylar.

What I'm saying is I'm entirely biased in favor of Mohinder despite having hated him for about a week XD I'm sure Noah will forgive him in time.

Oh, and Mohinder taking things into his own hands (even if it's kinda naive) = TOTAL vigilante status. I wanted to jump into the TV and jump him then and there.

Because that would be boring.
Also of note, this is the virus that killed his sister. Moreover he was created to be the cure, that is why he exists. So the virus is very personal to him.

I also don't get why everyone is saying he is stupid for trusting the company. He doesn't trust the company. He even lets Bob know this repeatedly, which pushes Bob to do things for Mohinder to prove himself to Mohinder. Mohinder may not have a master plan, and people like Bennet and Sylar keep throwing wrenches in, but he certainly knows what he is doing. Think back to Four Months Later and the 'bumbling professor' line. I think that completely foreshadowed this entire arc.

What is really interesting is that Mohinder has managed to turn honesty into a weapon. He can tell the truth and still manipulate the hell out of everyone with it.

I think he's going to end up running it, or at least be made into second in command. In fact, dramatically it's a good move, because it puts him on more equal terms with everyone else. He doesn't have a superpower or Bennet's badassery, but he'll have the company and can be a major player.

I dunno, maybe I'll always miss silly Mohinder, who was permanent frustrated like, and had his ear glued to a phone. And the bumbling. I like the bumbling.


*deep sigh*

Jollity summed up my feelings well. Mohinder's speach put things into perspective. I haven't compleltly forgiven him, he is gunna need to make up major brownie points by the end of next episode.

But..I've stopped wishing painful death on him. That's at least progress, right?

Well even if i still think that Momo is a cutiepie, he didn't listen to HRG when he said that The Company has been lying, not even considering to listen. Okay, so maybe Mohinder thought that HRG would say anything to get out, but still.

Oh mohinduh, please please be the genetisist we know and love (S1)

Yes he did. HRG told him "the Company has been experimenting with this virus for 30 years," and Mohinder immediately went through the Company back records and verified it himself.

I'm starting to get the feeling Mohinder could develop a flavor of fudge that cures cancer and people would still call him stupid.

I still hate Mohinder. Why does he trust Bob instead of HRG so easily? He is just a back stabbing man. Well, at least HRG is still around.

It seems that Bob needs Mohinder's ability so much, he lets him do whatever he wants.

mohinder totally kicks ******. this weeks episode just further establishes his move to badassery.

I loved it when he was havin' a go at bennet about all the dumb stuff he's done. pure win.



very well put.

Why should Mohinder trust HRG? No seriously, what has HRG ever done to earn his trust? We know he's dedicated to Claire beyond all reason, and that's awesome, but why should Mohinder expect anything from him?

If you take that Logic Adam is good too then. He is misguided, thinking the only way to correct humanity is practically wipe the slate clean and start from scratch.