WickedGoodSyrup
Nov 26 2007, 08:25 PM
It seems that all of the key players in this season's story line (except for maybe sylar) have exhibited some really stupid choice making.
monica not just escaping back out the window she came in
hiro lingering in the past so long and doing such a horribly por job of explaining to peter why adam can't be trusted
peter trusting adam unquestioningly
mohinder's life
parkman leaving the potentially most dangerous hero of all (molly) alone with some random baby sitter who is so easily persuaded to leave her charge with a serial killer.
maya being such an easily persuaded ditz
all the elder heroes not killing adam when they had the chance and, apparently, the knowledge of how to do it (headshot)
oh i could go on...
i really look forward to future seasons where i feel like the characters aren't complete morons 3/4 of the time. this whole "wow, i'm still figuring out my powers!" thing is getting way old.
Leek
Nov 26 2007, 08:30 PM
Theres a lot of "Why didn't they kill Adam" going on.
Is it that difficult to understand?
Obviously there were people at the company (Bob, Lindermen, etc) who WANTED Adam alive. Why? A myriad of reasons im sure. For his blood, for testing. Go only knows.
You saw what happened when Pratt tried to destroy the virus. She couldn't, she was powerless. Obviousy you can't just walk into his room and blow his brains out. If it *were* that simple he'd be dead. But there are people there to stop it.
Agent42
Nov 26 2007, 08:33 PM
I was really getting into Monica and Micah's storyline, FINALLY there was some comic book-style action happening! Heroes in action, instead of stumbling around, crying, or kissing. Where's the action? Where's the powers?
The show has come down to a basic guns n' knives (or swords) kinda show...who needs powers when there's bullets or a syringe? Sheesh.
WickedGoodSyrup
Nov 26 2007, 08:43 PM
yeah! me too agent!
i was like, of, finlly! some of the heroes are going to step up and be the badasses they can be! but.. no.. they flaked, or rather, the writers flaked...
Ashen
Nov 26 2007, 09:25 PM
Maybe next season the writers won't be so careless, who knows...
Without wanting to bash anyone... I would not up my employees salary for doing such a sloppy job...
ilikemoney09
Nov 26 2007, 09:28 PM
People are stupid by nature. They do dumb things. But I do agree that the characters this season have done stupid things over and over and over ad nauseum. But for me, it really hasn't been overly bothersome.
bara1895
Nov 26 2007, 10:26 PM
QUOTE (WickedGoodSyrup @ Nov 26 2007, 08:25 PM)

all the elder heroes not killing adam when they had the chance and, apparently, the knowledge of how to do it (headshot)
Or... Adam just said that in order to convince Peter that killing Victoria was necessary. For all we know they could survive it and Adam was just manipulating Peter.
CjB
Nov 27 2007, 02:30 AM
QUOTE (bara1895 @ Nov 26 2007, 10:26 PM)

Or... Adam just said that in order to convince Peter that killing Victoria was necessary. For all we know they could survive it and Adam was just manipulating Peter.
It's obvious that Adam is manipulating Peter but the question is why? Why in the hell would Adam want to release a virus and kill the world. He seems bad but not really really bad. My theory is that the Shanti virus is the only thing strong enough to kill Adam. I'm thinking after 400 years Adam wants to die because he is tired of all the pain and suffering. And he thinks that releasing the virus is the only way for him to die.
My other theory is that Bob wants to release the virus when the time is right. That is why he wanted Claires blood, for a precaution. Bob seems weird!
Leek
Nov 27 2007, 02:34 AM
QUOTE (ilikemoney09 @ Nov 27 2007, 12:28 AM)

People are stupid by nature. They do dumb things. But I do agree that the characters this season have done stupid things over and over and over ad nauseum. But for me, it really hasn't been overly bothersome.
Everyone is acting like all of these mistakes are an issue of the writers being sloppy.
The volume is called
Generations. Perhaps all of these mistakes are intentional. We are learning about how the previous generation made mistakes that continue to effect and endager the world today. Does it seem random that we are now, for the first time very clearly, seeing *our* generation of Heroes put in similar situations, making similarly bad choices?
And isn't that what the issues like time deal with? How the choices we make effect us in greater ways then we could ever imagine? Maybe that will prove to be the over all theme of this volume. That's at least what I've been saying it is. Which is why "The Rooftop" is such an important piece of this puzzle.
revel911
Nov 27 2007, 03:38 AM
QUOTE (ilikemoney09 @ Nov 27 2007, 12:28 AM)

People are stupid by nature. They do dumb things. But I do agree that the characters this season have done stupid things over and over and over ad nauseum. But for me, it really hasn't been overly bothersome.
Ever watch a sport when someone was open and no one passed to them?
It's easy for us on the sidelines to know all the answers.
VileD
Nov 27 2007, 04:08 AM
QUOTE (WickedGoodSyrup @ Nov 26 2007, 08:25 PM)

It seems that all of the key players in this season's story line (except for maybe sylar) have exhibited some really stupid choice making.
Obviously, they made stupid choices, for God's sake, they're humans ! Humans always make stupid choices, that's why it's so interesting to watch human actions and the consequences of their choices.
You want people always doing the good thing, with no effect on them ? That would be so boring. The show is not Justice League, it's not about superheroes, it's about humans with superhuman abilities, ordinary people who can sometimes make good choices, sometimes bad ones, but always justified by the context, by an external factor. That's the human nature.
revel911
Nov 27 2007, 04:13 AM
QUOTE (VileD @ Nov 27 2007, 07:08 AM)

Obviously, they made stupid choices, for God's sake, they're humans ! Humans always make stupid choices, that's why it's so interesting to watch human actions and the consequences of their choices.
You want people always doing the good thing, with no effect on them ? That would be so boring. The show is not Justice League, it's not about superheroes, it's about humans with superhuman abilities, ordinary people who can sometimes make good choices, sometimes bad ones, but always justified by the context, by an external factor. That's the human nature.
I definitely agree with your point, but what I am most curious about is how people complained about the stupid choices less last year, but there were just as many made by the characters? Did we expect them to become perfect?
chervil
Nov 27 2007, 06:21 AM
I agree that Peter seems to have regained his inate naiviete with his memory.
Although, you can't blame him for trusting Adam.
He did help him see what the company was really up to (that they had imprisoned him, not trying to help him)
He did help him regain his memory and he did provide a few answers to questions he had.
Up to this point, except for killing Victoria, he had not done anything that would make Peter doubt his good intentions.
Even killing Victoria was set up to look like he was defending Peter (I let her loose, I didn't know she would try to kill you!)
If Adam really wanted to kill Victoria, wouldn't he have insisted on accompanying Peter to meet her?
All of those things must be running through his mind.
Plus, he knows the company was responsible wanting to blow up New York, and here is someone who is going to help him stop the company's plans.
As far as the babysitter for Molly, I am sure by "convinced" Sylar means "murdered".
And, yes, most of the decisions these "heroes" have made seem colossally stupid in hindsight, but remember that, like another poster mentioned, we are seeing the whole picture.
Try imagining the scenario from their perspective, with their problems and with only the information they have.
You start seeing things a little differently.
EdensDemise
Nov 27 2007, 06:30 AM
I agree with Leek, these people are shady and they would indeed want Adam alive.
As for the rest of the characters, I've said it elsewhere. I trust no one who automatically thinks they are doing the right thing without so much as a bit of a struggle or perspective check.
Everyone makes bad decisions. So that doesn't bother me.
There are a few characters that I could smack, Mohinder for one. They completely ruined his character. I have had enough. I'm over it.
Peter is an idiot but I can understand his being naive.
jkath
Nov 27 2007, 06:40 AM
QUOTE (bara1895 @ Nov 26 2007, 10:26 PM)

Or... Adam just said that in order to convince Peter that killing Victoria was necessary. For all we know they could survive it and Adam was just manipulating Peter.
Victoria said it too.
Visitor27
Nov 27 2007, 09:24 AM
If only the characters could have a magic screen that shows them everything that's going on behind their backs, oh wait that's us.
TATEone
Nov 27 2007, 09:25 AM
All I got to say is thank god Peter didn't read Adam's mind..that would have made too much sense.
VileD
Nov 27 2007, 12:18 PM
QUOTE (WickedGoodSyrup)
monica not just escaping back out the window she came in
About that, I think the reason that prevent Monica from escaping by the window is that she simply couldn't. The parkour movements she mimics are all about climbing something, not coming down, and the roof is quite high, so jumping from the roof for someone of her stature and without a "training video" can be difficult for "Saint Joan". Well that's my theory.
Krugeri
Nov 27 2007, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (revel911 @ Nov 27 2007, 05:38 AM)

Ever watch a sport when someone was open and no one passed to them?
It's easy for us on the sidelines to know all the answers.
The difference is that a football (or futball) game is dynamic. There are hundreds of things going on and one person (the one with the ball in the case of American Football) trying to manage the streams of ever-changing information.
This is a scripted show.
There are many filters through which the script needs to pass from conception to airing. There is no excuse for sloppy or inconsistent writing.
Nice try, though.
Quinten
Nov 27 2007, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (WickedGoodSyrup @ Nov 26 2007, 07:25 PM)

It seems that all of the key players in this season's story line (except for maybe sylar) have exhibited some really stupid choice making.
monica not just escaping back out the window she came in
hiro lingering in the past so long and doing such a horribly por job of explaining to peter why adam can't be trusted
peter trusting adam unquestioningly
mohinder's life
parkman leaving the potentially most dangerous hero of all (molly) alone with some random baby sitter who is so easily persuaded to leave her charge with a serial killer.
maya being such an easily persuaded ditz
all the elder heroes not killing adam when they had the chance and, apparently, the knowledge of how to do it (headshot)
oh i could go on...
i really look forward to future seasons where i feel like the characters aren't complete morons 3/4 of the time. this whole "wow, i'm still figuring out my powers!" thing is getting way old.
I'll agree with some of the stupid choices you listed there, but a few of them I wouldn't call bad decisions. Mostly the ones involving Sylar. Sylar can be very persuasive (especially with a blunt object in his hand) and it's very possible that he fooled the babysitter the same way he fooled Sandra or Mohinder in season 1, or its possible he put the babysitter down for a permanent nap while Maya waited in the car. As for Maya acting like a ditz, I gotta disagree with that one too, Sylar has been very convincing to her and has been her rock lately, she truly thinks he was sent to her by god to help her and her faith in that has led her to trust him. She's dealing with something beyond her and he's helped her to control it by herself, why wouldn't she put her faith in him?
As pointed out before, Adam wasn't killed because many of the founders were his disciples and it probably would have caused a power struggle in the company to try to kill him. And his blood could be quite usefull for when Linderman isn't around.

But now...for the award of dumbest character of the season...the contenders are Claire "show off my stuff" Bennet, Mohinder "Changes sides more than underwear" Suresh, and Peter "I'll believe anything Adam says" Petrelli.....and the winner of this seasons award is....Mohinder Suresh!
Congrats Mohinder! And what do you plan to do for an encore? Give Sylar the cure to the disease that is blocking his powers? Wow, what a great ending to a perfect season of stupid decisions!!
Aces
Nov 27 2007, 01:30 PM
"Congrats Mohinder! And what do you plan to do for an encore? Give Sylar the cure to the disease that is blocking his powers? Wow, what a great ending to a perfect season of stupid decisions!"
Forecasting!
And, even if that is true..from what we've seen, does he really have a choice? This show is all about putting family first, so if given the choice between saving Molly/helping Sylar and sacrificing Molly/not helping Sylar, I'll be very disappointed if Mohinder does not save Molly.
Quinten
Nov 27 2007, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Aces @ Nov 27 2007, 12:30 PM)

"Congrats Mohinder! And what do you plan to do for an encore? Give Sylar the cure to the disease that is blocking his powers? Wow, what a great ending to a perfect season of stupid decisions!"
Forecasting!
And, even if that is true..from what we've seen, does he really have a choice? This show is all about putting family first, so if given the choice between saving Molly/helping Sylar and sacrificing Molly/not helping Sylar, I'll be very disappointed if Mohinder does not save Molly.
I have no doubts that Mohinder will trade the cure for Molly's safety, even Noah would do the same, because as you said, these characters seem to always put family first. But still, from a logical stand point, saving one person and unleashing a killer on the rest of the world is NOT a good trade. Maybe Mohinder might be smarter then we give him credit for and will give Sylar a "fake" cure, but I'm not holding out any hope.
Aces
Nov 28 2007, 07:10 AM
"I have no doubts that Mohinder will trade the cure for Molly's safety, even Noah would do the same, because as you said, these characters seem to always put family first. "
Yeah, but it seems like you say that like it's a bad thing? Putting family first?
"But still, from a logical stand point, saving one person and unleashing a killer on the rest of the world is NOT a good trade."
Yeah, but this show is called HEROES, not "The Weakest Link" or "Survivor." The "heroic" thing for Mohinder to do is to save the little girl he's responsible for, Sylar be damned. If he does unleash the killer, well, I guess he can cross that bridge later.
All "Survivor" kidding aside, I do see you point. But, it would be very out-of=character for Mohinder to go all Linderman-like on Molly and sacrific those he loves for "the greater good."
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