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EdensDemise
So, I thought this was one of the coolest moments in the episode. The one where Peter is apparently in two places at once. He somehow manages to stay with Adam but to travel back to the future and witness (while apparently hidden) himself and Caitlyn being hosed down. He even manages to bring something back with him.

Is this a manifestation of the same power that Hiro has? Or is this something different?

Thought it was wicked though.
fARSIGHT
I think it may be Charles Deveaux's power... the astral projection through space/time thing that Peter did in the finale of last season...
Renrut
QUOTE (fARSIGHT @ Nov 27 2007, 09:20 AM) *
I think it may be Charles Deveaux's power... the astral projection through space/time thing that Peter did in the finale of last season...
That is a cool idea. I think you could be right.
The Gecko
It can't be astral projection, he brought back the paper from the future... didn't he?
dcg
Yes, he did bring back a paper. Maybe he can be in two places at the same time since time is not an issue for him anymore.
sickotriz
Or maybe he simply returned to the exact time when he left... only nanoseconds later.

To Adam it would appear as if he didn't go anywhere.
Snxke
I agree that it may be an "out-of-body experience" from Charles Deveaux. People didn't see him and nothing say charles deveaux's power can't move things.
Renrut
QUOTE (Snxke @ Nov 27 2007, 10:07 AM) *
I agree that it may be an "out-of-body experience" from Charles Deveaux. People didn't see him and nothing say charles deveaux's power can't move things.

In the entire series Hiro has never returned to the exact time he left. It has always been that he's gone from the present the amount of time he spends in the past or future. On this series you can't tell what's a mistake and what's on purpose sometimes.
fjimenez1
QUOTE (The Gecko @ Nov 27 2007, 10:30 AM) *
It can't be astral projection, he brought back the paper from the future... didn't he?


IMO, I think he brought the paper back when he left without Caitlin.. What we saw last night was astral projection.
nzone80
QUOTE (sickotriz @ Nov 27 2007, 10:55 AM) *
Or maybe he simply returned to the exact time when he left... only nanoseconds later.

To Adam it would appear as if he didn't go anywhere.


This could be possible though
EdensDemise
QUOTE (dcg @ Nov 27 2007, 10:45 AM) *
Yes, he did bring back a paper. Maybe he can be in two places at the same time since time is not an issue for him anymore.


I don't think so though, because Adam said that he saw Peter standing there yelling Caitlins name.

That and the fact that apparently no one in the future could see or hear him. It was like he did something different than just time travel in the form that we have seen it thus far.
soadchik
I agree with the astral projection comments. It's not time travel. When Hiro time travels.. everyone can hear and see him. Even his other self (like when Hiro met Future Hiro and also when he met child Hiro)... Plus it'd be much cooler to use Deveaux's astral projection since Peter is the only one that can use that power now. Why keep recycling powers tongue.gif
Corren
I agree that it is not Hiro's power.

Thus far it seems that when two people use the same power they can see/interact with each other.
Peter and Hiro have interacted while the rest of the world is frozen in time.
Claude and Peter could see each other when invisible.
Deveaux and Peter interacted during Peter's "projection" to the Deveaux building.

So it does seem like it must be Charle's power after all, but didn't Peter first use it before he began caring for Deveaux? Does this mean that he already knew him? It seems like Nathan made some comments about knowing most of the founders, but the exact line escapes me . . .
kitty
QUOTE (EdensDemise @ Nov 27 2007, 05:17 AM) *
So, I thought this was one of the coolest moments in the episode. The one where Peter is apparently in two places at once. He somehow manages to stay with Adam but to travel back to the future and witness (while apparently hidden) himself and Caitlyn being hosed down. He even manages to bring something back with him.

Is this a manifestation of the same power that Hiro has? Or is this something different?

Thought it was wicked though.



I thought it was more like Charle's Deveaux's power. Remember in the HTSAEM how he was there in time, but no one could see him? Same thing.
Dunc
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 27 2007, 04:16 PM) *
In the entire series Hiro has never returned to the exact time he left. It has always been that he's gone from the present the amount of time he spends in the past or future. On this series you can't tell what's a mistake and what's on purpose sometimes.

But he's a time-traveller... it's at least possible.
soadchik
QUOTE (Corren @ Nov 27 2007, 12:57 PM) *
I agree that it is not Hiro's power.

Thus far it seems that when two people use the same power they can see/interact with each other.
Peter and Hiro have interacted while the rest of the world is frozen in time.
Claude and Peter could see each other when invisible.
Deveaux and Peter interacted during Peter's "projection" to the Deveaux building.

So it does seem like it must be Charle's power after all, but didn't Peter first use it before he began caring for Deveaux? Does this mean that he already knew him? It seems like Nathan made some comments about knowing most of the founders, but the exact line escapes me . . .


Peter first used this power after Deveaux's death. He was projected to a time when he first met Charles Deveaux... But at that point.. the past Peter that Peter saw didnt even have manifested powers yet. Plus somehow Charles Deveaux had something to do with Peter being projected to that time. I remember Charles telling him something like "I wanted you to see this" or "I brought you hear to see this"
Renrut
QUOTE (Dunc @ Nov 27 2007, 01:06 PM) *
But he's a time-traveller... it's at least possible.

It is but he put notes in the handle of the sword for Ando when he could have just gone back to tell him the day after Kirby Plaza. Wouldn't it have been easier to return to immediately after Sylar threw him or before and behind Sylar to run him through again? If he did his father wouldn't be dead because the only reason he accepted his fate is Hiro told him he came from his funeral.
Quinten
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 27 2007, 11:02 AM) *
It is but he put notes in the handle of the sword for Ando when he could have just gone back to tell him the day after Kirby Plaza. Wouldn't it have been easier to return to immediately after Sylar threw him or before and behind Sylar to run him through again? If he did his father wouldn't be dead because the only reason he accepted his fate is Hiro told him he came from his funeral.


Well, with the exception of the Charlie incident, it seems Hiro always returns to the present as many days later as he had been in the past or future. For example, if he spends 3 days in the past, he won't return to the present for 3 days. Time keeps flowing for Hiro, even when he is not there. If Hiro did spend a lot of time in the past or future and then returned to the moment he left, he would technically be out of place in time, because he would be older than he should be at that point.
Renrut
QUOTE (Quinten @ Nov 27 2007, 02:15 PM) *
Well, with the exception of the Charlie incident, it seems Hiro always returns to the present as many days later as he had been in the past or future. For example, if he spends 3 days in the past, he won't return to the present for 3 days. Time keeps flowing for Hiro, even when he is not there. If Hiro did spend a lot of time in the past or future and then returned to the moment he left, he would technically be out of place in time, because he would be older than he should be at that point.
I know that. I was commenting about the fact that in last night's episode Peter was in the future and came back to Adam with a piece of paper and Adam said he was standing there the whole time. I was saying that it wasn't Hiro's power because he came back the instant he left. Somebody then said "he's a time traveller so wouldn't it be possible". My reply was showing what you just said. That Hiro never does come right back.
Explosivo
Peter isn't Hiro.

By which I mean, Peter has only time-travelled three times, all involuntarily.
Zandorf
QUOTE (Quinten @ Nov 27 2007, 08:15 AM) *
For example, if he spends 3 days in the past, he won't return to the present for 3 days. Time keeps flowing for Hiro, even when he is not there.


I disagree with this. When he went back in time to save Charlie he was gone for an inditerminate amount of time, but it was definitely more than just the few days Ando was waiting. It does make hero's age weird, but maybe that's some weird facet of his power.
Oz_314
I'm almost positive that Peter either used astral projection, or simply had a very stress induced dream. Anyway, I assumed that he brought the evacuation notice back when he first went to the future. Didn't he keep it the whole time? Or maybe I'm wrong.
Dunc
QUOTE (Zandorf @ Nov 28 2007, 02:07 AM) *
I disagree with this. When he went back in time to save Charlie he was gone for an inditerminate amount of time, but it was definitely more than just the few days Ando was waiting. It does make hero's age weird, but maybe that's some weird facet of his power.

Yeah, I agree. Hiro should've been able to say "oh I've come back to the wrong part of the timeline" and returned to shortly after leaving Kirby Plaza. But let's face it that's very detrimental to this story! cool.gif
Rigel
Another thing to note, Adam said "impressive" when Peter showed him the piece of paper. I think Adam said that because he knew Peter was an empath (obviously), he knew Charles power (since they were the original 12) and he was impressed Peter absorbed Charles power before he died.
Dansully
I think it is Charles' power, Only charles sees him when Peter Projects to charles and Peter's first meeting, and Original Peter doesnt see projected Peter. Charles can see him as Peter can see Hiro and move when Hiro has frozen time, and how Peter could see Claude when he is invisable.
dogbert_2001
It could be both powers.

He could use astral projection as sort of a VCR, and then for a split second, time travel to retrieve the notice. To an outside observer, it would seem he didn't go anywhere.

Hiro was stuck in the past with Charlie for months, but returned in time to save the cheerleader (or a day after).
CrossMyHeart
Astral Projection makes the most sense (which is AWESOME)
Dunc
How does astral projection make the most sense? He had the leaflet when he came back... how is that possible? I thought astral projection was just projecting your mental image to wherever you want - I could be wrong! To me, it doesn't make sense to be either Hiro's power or somebody elses astral projection. It's just that artistic license thing again! They seem to do a lot of things on Heroes which never really get explained and are just left down to your own personal preference.
Yarr
QUOTE (Dunc @ Nov 28 2007, 01:37 PM) *
How does astral projection make the most sense? He had the leaflet when he came back... how is that possible? I thought astral projection was just projecting your mental image to wherever you want - I could be wrong! To me, it doesn't make sense to be either Hiro's power or somebody elses astral projection. It's just that artistic license thing again! They seem to do a lot of things on Heroes which never really get explained and are just left down to your own personal preference.



The writers are in no way forced to follow the Marvel\DC style of astral projecton. If in Heroes the writers want Peter's astral projection to interact with the normal physical world, then he can.

There's quite a few ways to explain how this happened, but some form of astral projection is probably the case.
Dunc
QUOTE (Yarr @ Nov 28 2007, 11:38 PM) *
The writers are in no way forced to follow the Marvel\DC style of astral projecton. If in Heroes the writers want Peter's astral projection to interact with the normal physical world, then he can.

There's quite a few ways to explain how this happened, but some form of astral projection is probably the case.

I wouldn't know Marvel/DC style astral projection if it was TKing my head open. I don't read comics at all. It was supposed to be more a question than a statement (even though it hints at what I believe astral projection to be in my own mind).

They can do whatever they want, you're right... but if they do something else would it not be called something else and not astral projection?
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