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Leek
Some don't feel she's a worthwhile character, or that she deserves to be brought back.

I disagree, and I hope some of you out there do as well. And I think she was "killed" by Gabriel represents the end to the Maya we have seen so far. We get to see the rest of her now.

So what do you think. Happy shes back, or not so much?
CrewWolf
I don't know. I just wonder what the heck are the writers going to do with her now?
Darth Neo
She is BORING...
MisterCyotie
I think she's going to work with the company. Perhaps they'll teach her to focus her ability, take out one person at at time. She'd be a hella better assasin then Elle. Maybe she'll even learn to use her ability to knock people out?
Faunus
I think now that she's not being used by Sylar and can control her power...she will now be a pretty cool character with an interesting power when used properly.
DeusExPeter
tuh... she is USELESS and BORING as anything... i was soooo happy when she took that bullet.. but that Lady just won't stay dead...
Eleo
She is fairly boring. She came to the U.S. for help but she figured things out with Sylar's help. So now that she's not so dangerous to the people around her, I'm wondering what they can do with her character.

I thought they'd kill her off, personally. They killed Alejandro off so quick, I was starting to think they were crossing out poor characters to start fresh for season 3.
delusions_of_grandeur
She can be the one who will finally bring down Sylar..that is if Kring and Co. choose to do so.
Leek
QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 10:14 PM) *
tuh... she is USELESS and BORING as anything... i was soooo happy when she took that bullet.. but that Lady just won't stay dead...



I don't see how she is either. She just tells a different story, a stroy that takes time to devlopte. Whats this? I have to sit and LISTEN to a story? No! Teleport me into the future! I don't want to wait!
jugador409
QUOTE (delusions_of_grandeur @ Dec 3 2007, 10:17 PM) *
She can be the one who will finally bring down Sylar..that is if Kring and Co. choose to do so.


When Sylar killed Alejandro he most likely took his power which would make Maya useless against him.
DeusExPeter
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 10:21 PM) *
I don't see how she is either. She just tells a different story, a stroy that takes time to devlopte. Whats this? I have to sit and LISTEN to a story? No! Teleport me into the future! I don't want to wait!


well there's no need to oversimplify my perspective... different can be good... or it can be boring. i haven't seen anything at ALL from Maya that would make me believe she is anything but boring...

the only yardstick i need is that every time i see her on the screen, i roll my eyes, sigh, and wait for the good stuff to come back when her scene is done.

and thats all i need to know.
elevator
QUOTE (CrewWolf @ Dec 3 2007, 08:09 PM) *
I don't know. I just wonder what the heck are the writers going to do with her now?

Maybe she'll bunk with Matt, Mohinder and Molly.
And they start their own superhero group called "The M's"
Or start a band..
It could go either way.
Leek
QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 10:27 PM) *
well there's no need to oversimplify my perspective... different can be good... or it can be boring. i haven't seen anything at ALL from Maya that would make me believe she is anything but boring...

the only yardstick i need is that every time i see her on the screen, i roll my eyes, sigh, and wait for the good stuff to come back when her scene is done.

and thats all i need to know.



First of all, her power is one I have never heard of before. We obviously forgive the "cliche" powers, since theres only so much you can do, Flying, TK, reading minds, its all cool and interesting, but this is different to me. Plus the twin angle was really awesome, twins who had counter powers.

Emotionally, shes such a strong character. We see this mainly in the jail scene when she breaks Alejandro out. That one little look when she notices the wanted posters, and she KNOWS the dark way to get out of there fast. Using powers are like using cheat codes. They get you the things you want and need sometimes, but at a price. You could see her as an individuel there, not as her brothers sister.

Plus, the whole Gabriel thing. Maya is a person who is obviously really into her faith, and she feels as though god has abandoned her. The only hope she had was some doctor whose book she had read. New York was her last hope. Sylar offerend tangible hope, and an almost god-like disposition. He could take care of her. Watching her embrace that darker side because she was too afraid to do anything else was more then entertaining from me. It took up television story telling to another notch, as this show has done so many times.
Rail24
I am glad they brought her back.
There's more of her to tell.
DeusExPeter
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 10:35 PM) *
First of all, her power is one I have never heard of before. We obviously forgive the "cliche" powers, since theres only so much you can do, Flying, TK, reading minds, its all cool and interesting, but this is different to me. Plus the twin angle was really awesome, twins who had counter powers.

Emotionally, shes such a strong character. We see this mainly in the jail scene when she breaks Alejandro out. That one little look when she notices the wanted posters, and she KNOWS the dark way to get out of there fast. Using powers are like using cheat codes. They get you the things you want and need sometimes, but at a price. You could see her as an individuel there, not as her brothers sister.

Plus, the whole Gabriel thing. Maya is a person who is obviously really into her faith, and she feels as though god has abandoned her. The only hope she had was some doctor whose book she had read. New York was her last hope. Sylar offerend tangible hope, and an almost god-like disposition. He could take care of her. Watching her embrace that darker side because she was too afraid to do anything else was more then entertaining from me. It took up television story telling to another notch, as this show has done so many times.


isn't that sorta a contradiction?

oh well..

look... i'm not denying she is a character with a story, which is basically all you said... she just never did it for me in a way thats hard to explain.. she didn't have that magic spark that made most of the original cast so great..

i'll leave it at this: one of the few times i've ever rooted for Sylar was when he shot her.
Leek
QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 10:41 PM) *
isn't that sorta a contradiction?

oh well..

look... i'm not denying she is a character with a story, which is basically all you said... she just never did it for me in a way thats hard to explain.. she didn't have that magic spark that made most of the original cast so great..

i'll leave it at this: one of the few times i've ever rooted for Sylar was when he shot her.



But, seeing as how this show produces complex characters, you can't expect her being a twin to be her only story arc. If you know people who are twins, yes they are twins, but they have individule moments. Maya depended on her brother, but we saw she could veer away from that safe, right, noble twin path. When she was with him, it seemed, she stayed clean and all.

I can't argue agains your opinon, or rather to change it, because you obviously have your own feelings about what you want to se. That being said, it's unfair to say that you feel shes not an on par character as if thats factual evidence that proves it to be so. Since I can prove what elements of the story arerich with writing and keep me entertained, it seems only fair to agree to disagree.
DeusExPeter
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 10:45 PM) *
I can't argue agains your opinon, or rather to change it, because you obviously have your own feelings about what you want to se. That being said, it's unfair to say that you feel shes not an on par character as if thats factual evidence that proves it to be so.


well... the one thing i would say is that "an on par character" is defined as a character that the viewers like. i mean, thats the whole purpose of entertainment, right?

so it is highly relevant what i, as a dedicated viewer of the show, think. its even more important what we, as a group think.

and i believe that if you took a poll, you would find that most people are not buying the storyline. which, by definition, makes it a bad one.

QUOTE
Since I can prove what elements of the story arerich with writing and keep me entertained, it seems only fair to agree to disagree.


i don't agree to that.
Aces
Maya's alive!  Forget the hatahs!  
Leek
QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 10:49 PM) *
well... the one thing i would say is that "an on par character" is defined as a character that the viewers like. i mean, thats the whole purpose of entertainment, right?

so it is highly relevant what i, as a dedicated viewer of the show, think. its even more important what we, as a group think.

and i believe that if you took a poll, you would find that most people are not buying the storyline. which, by definition, makes it a bad one.



i don't agree to that.


So my opinon as a dedicated viewing doesn't matter as much as yours?

And, no, actually. I define it as a character that has the same emotional depth and versatility as some of the other characters we have seen.

Plenty of epople enjoy the storyline. I compare it to the Niki storyline last season.

It's not meant for the bigger audiance, but for a more select one, obviously. Does that make it bad? This show isn't made for one type of people. It should have something for eeveryone. Maybe no EVERYONE, but some people want to hear the Maya story line. Just cause YOU get "bored" with it shouldn't be taken out on the rest of us.
Jmn1287
I'm really glad they brought her back!
themightytruk
It'll be interesting to see where Maya goes, now that she knows the truth about Sylar and that he killed her brother. I'm glad she's alive, so I can see where this goes. I would have been disappointed if her story ended with her death here. It'd make us feel like all that build-up for Maya was a waste. Now Maya's free to go in an interesting new direction.
hani12
I was overwhelmingly releaved to see her alive again. Despite the writing that made her so hated among viewers, I managed to empathize with her and her plight.

Now with a vendetta against Sylar, I hope she kicks @ss next season!
DeusExPeter
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 11:02 PM) *
So my opinon as a dedicated viewing doesn't matter as much as yours?


as i said, i belive you are firmly in the minority.
Leek
Yeah, Sylar better watch himself.


He is gunna get beat by a different sort of villain if he doesn't watch out.


The Maya kind SylarSmiley.gif

QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 11:08 PM) *
as i said, i belive you are firmly in the minority.



Viva la minority! Viva la small folk!

It's what the shows about!

I'm not giving this up happy.gif
LoveSylar
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 4 2007, 12:09 PM) *
Yeah, Sylar better watch himself.


He is gunna get beat by a different sort of villain if he doesn't watch out.


The Maya kind SylarSmiley.gif




Viva la minority! Viva la small folk!

It's what the shows about!

I'm not giving this up happy.gif



I am glad Maya is alive. I hope she will stand up and work with other heroes in the following season.
DavidJ
I'm happy they kept her alive. I have to say, I liked her when the character was first introduced and then her storyline got a bit repetative. Now that Alejandro is gone and she knows Sylar did it, I think she can be a pretty cool character that the writers can take in a new direction...namely the Sylar hunting one, tho I must say, i do like Sylar too so I dunno who to root for laugh.gif
Islington
QUOTE (jugador409 @ Dec 3 2007, 10:23 PM) *
When Sylar killed Alejandro he most likely took his power which would make Maya useless against him.


I'm glad they didn't kill her. Killing off characters because you feel like you made a mistake is stupid. That's why I was rooting for Niki so long. People seemed to dislike the character, but it was because the writers got repetitive. Same thing with Maya at first, she was so repetitive the first half of the volume, but then picked up the pace quite a bit.

I think she will work for the company and focus her powers, maybe selectively infecting one person at once, perhaps working to create more counter-strains to the virus. And let's not forget the next chapter name. The Company could certainly have uses for her yes?
Rebel
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 07:35 PM) *
First of all, her power is one I have never heard of before. We obviously forgive the "cliche" powers, since theres only so much you can do, Flying, TK, reading minds, its all cool and interesting, but this is different to me. Plus the twin angle was really awesome, twins who had counter powers.

Emotionally, shes such a strong character. We see this mainly in the jail scene when she breaks Alejandro out. That one little look when she notices the wanted posters, and she KNOWS the dark way to get out of there fast. Using powers are like using cheat codes. They get you the things you want and need sometimes, but at a price. You could see her as an individuel there, not as her brothers sister.

Plus, the whole Gabriel thing. Maya is a person who is obviously really into her faith, and she feels as though god has abandoned her. The only hope she had was some doctor whose book she had read. New York was her last hope. Sylar offerend tangible hope, and an almost god-like disposition. He could take care of her. Watching her embrace that darker side because she was too afraid to do anything else was more then entertaining from me. It took up television story telling to another notch, as this show has done so many times.


Thank you for the above Leek.

I love Maya and know she's gonna kick Sylar's ****** next Volumne. Or maybe not. Dr. Surresh's Miracle Cheerleader Blood juice may have removed her illness/powers. She at least could then lead a normal life. I really feel for the character. Seduced and abadoned and shot. What more can happen to her. She is what they said about Sally Field's character in the film "Soap Dish" She's a misery buffet.

I felt for this character. Why couldn't she see what her brother saw? She was desperate for a cure, for Salvation. Remember her brother turned her--a nun--into the Police. They had some trust issues between them to begin with. The problem for the viewers is that should have been shown the whole wedding scene at the very beginning--not in the middle of the story. I've seen plenty of brothers and sisters not listen to each other about the girlfriends or boyfriends they choose, often with disastorous consequences. Those who think they can't be decieved are the very ones who often are.

The whole Maya/Sylar arc that, forgive me, climaxed in the last episode was thoroughly negated in this episode. What was the point if not to keep some bit of Gabriel Gray alive? Sylar has become the one dimensional villian everyone has been warning against and I have been defending. So he's a heartless ******. We all knew that. But what remained of his humanity from the first season has been totally written out.
Otherwise...

The episode SUCKED! Peter believes ADAM! and hesitates when Nathan is standing there telling him he's being used?!WHAT?!

And why didn't Elle bother to look out a window?

This was so crappy on so many levels. Who's writing this stuff teen-agers? People who post on the boards.

No, they'd do a whole lot better.
hummm
QUOTE (LoveSylar @ Dec 3 2007, 09:01 PM) *
I am glad Maya is alive. I hope she will stand up and work with other heroes in the following season.



I stopped liking Maya the moment she turned against her twin brother for Sylar. She had known the guy for all of 10 mins. Maya's gotta go!
Raekon
QUOTE (hummm @ Dec 4 2007, 09:25 AM) *
I stopped liking Maya the moment she turned against her twin brother for Sylar. She had known the guy for all of 10 mins. Maya's gotta go!


First of all they had spend more than 10 minutes together and even it sounds dumb, she saw in him the salvation and the solution to her "problem".

Anyway.. what I didn't liked was that all of sudden sylar doesn't care about Alejandros power anymore even he is THAT power hungry and kills him like that.

To the poster that still doesn't get it that Sylar WASN'T able to get anyones power before he was cured from the virus: No! Sylar has NOT Alejandros power so.. he isn't immune to mayas.

Other than that, I'm very happy Maya is alive! I like her character. It's more unique than some of the others in the show and if developed further and well, she can turn out to be a GREAT character in volume 3 or season 3.

What I would like to see is her get more control of her power in a way that she can focus on one person and kill only this one. Then a face off between sylar and her in which molly tells her where sylar is, maya goes there and surprises him showing how much her power has developed.

He won't have any chance no matter if he has his powers or not and that will be FUN to watch. At least to me. ^^
Agent42
I'm glad she's alive as well, only for the fact that she was with the show for sooo long and then just gets shot?

You know, on a side note, for a show about powers, it HEAVILY relies on the old-fashioned method of people getting shot. They should just turn it into another 24 with a couple of psychics thrown in.

The show is supposed to be about powers, but there isn't a whole lot of use going on. It's just whiny subplots of trying to hide them, or weepy freaks trying to get rid of them, or superpowered guys not knowing how to use them.

Meh.
hummm
QUOTE (Raekon @ Dec 4 2007, 12:40 AM) *
First of all they had spend more than 10 minutes together and even it sounds dumb, she saw in him the salvation and the solution to her "problem".

Anyway.. what I didn't liked was that all of sudden sylar doesn't care about Alejandros power anymore even he is THAT power hungry and kills him like that.

To the poster that still doesn't get it that Sylar WASN'T able to get anyones power before he was cured from the virus: No! Sylar has NOT Alejandros power so.. he isn't immune to mayas.

Other than that, I'm very happy Maya is alive! I like her character. It's more unique than some of the others in the show and if developed further and well he can turn out to be a GREAT character in volume 3 or season 3.

What I would like to see is her get more control of her power in a way that she can focus on one person and kill only this one. Then a face off between sylar and her in which molly tells her where sylar is, maya goes there and surprises him showing how much her power has developed.

He won't have any chance no matter if he has his powers or not and that will be FUN to watch. At least to me. ^^


The 10 minute comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. dry.gif It was only to express the fact that she had only known this guy for a relatively short amount of time. During which time, she placed his opinion over that of her twin brother who harbored no ill will towards her even after she killed his wife. Her brother, who was often shown trying to help keep her moral compass of right and wrong throughout their challenging journey, gave up everything to help her. She had to know that he loved her. She had no such knowledge of Sylar.
TBBX
QUOTE (hummm @ Dec 4 2007, 03:50 AM) *
The 10 minute comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. dry.gif It was only to express the fact that she had only known this guy for a relatively short amount of time. During which time, she placed his opinion over that of her twin brother who harbored no ill will towards her even after she killed his wife. Her brother, who was often shown trying to help keep her moral compass of right and wrong throughout their challenging journey, gave up everything to help her. She had to know that he loved her. She had no such knowledge of Sylar.


I understand where you're coming from. That is exactly what got me to dislike Maya. I even joked with my friends that it would be funny if Sylar killed her again right after she had come back. Like okay I know it works *bang* *bang* you're dead again now give me the vaccine... But hopefully her character does better next season
Troy
Maya Lives . . . wrongfully so . . .

I was so happy to see her character killed. I don't like her character, and I was glad that the writers decided to have Sylar kill her. I think I even said something to the effect of "That's one down smile.gif " (knowing that two Heroes were going to "fall" this episode). Then when she was brought back with the blood I thought, what a waste of blood, I was so disapointed.

Now she lives, and instead we lose Nathan, a character that I really like on the show. Too bad some of that valuable blood couldn't have been used to bring him back instead of Maya.
Activated
Please kill Maya. I can't take anymore of this boring, useless and over-acting character.

She'll just keep on wasting other characters screen time, like she and her brother did during Volume 1.
GOPEANUTZ
Well, the only thing i can think of is that she will go and find Sylar and.. SYLAR VS MAYA ? BUT she didn't see see Mohinder for nothing.. if he cures her, then her character won't have meaning. I'd go for option 1
Aces
QUOTE (DeusExPeter @ Dec 3 2007, 11:08 PM) *
as i said, i belive you are firmly in the minority.


Who cares, man? This show isn't Survivor or American Idol. I'm honestly getting sick of this whole "vote them off" mentality people have been developing ever since these reality shows have come into play.

If you don't like the character, then fine. Don't pay attention to her. But, some of us really do like Maya, and honestly, if she had died last night, it would have made half the season pointless. Just because you feel like Maya fans are in the minority because you don't care for her doesn't mean anything but anything.

But, Dania Ramirez doesn't have a special number you can call at the end of the show if you don't like her. If that's the kind of show you're interested in seeing, well I'm sure the writer's strike can provide plenty of opportunities for that on other fronts.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be eagerly awaiting her return when Heroes gears back up in 2008.
CharlieAndrews
I was pretty let down when they revived her. Sylar shooting her & her dying were like the only actions ever done by those characters that I've enjoyed.

Now we get a whole new season of weepy black eye goop & supreme stupidity. Maybe the newly recharged Sylar will eventually finish what he started.
daytonagk
QUOTE (Troy @ Dec 4 2007, 05:39 AM) *
Maya Lives . . . wrongfully so . . .

I was so happy to see her character killed. I don't like her character, and I was glad that the writers decided to have Sylar kill her. I think I even said something to the effect of "That's one down smile.gif " (knowing that two Heroes were going to "fall" this episode). Then when she was brought back with the blood I thought, what a waste of blood, I was so disapointed.

Now she lives, and instead we lose Nathan, a character that I really like on the show. Too bad some of that valuable blood couldn't have been used to bring him back instead of Maya.


As soon as I saw Sylar shoot Maya I knew that she would be brought back. The writers wouldn’t kill an illegal immigrant. That would be politically incorrect. It is to bad I was glad to see her dead.
SylarClaire
I`m really glad she`s alive.She can get really interesting next season.She might want to get revenge on a cetain someone.
Viola
I don't like Maya.
The fact that the first thing she did, when arriving in NY, was to cook Sylar a meal, spoke volumes about her character. rolleyes.gif It was so over the top that I couldn't help laughing (It could have been worse. At least she still was dressed under the apron).

The most remarkable thing about her is her passivity. She expects others to solve her problems for her. Mostly Alejandro, then Sylar and which ever Dr. Suresh is available.
There is only one time we see nobody take charge of her, that's after the wedding, and what does she do? She goes to a convent and prays to God that He might make things right for her. The idea to solve her problems herself obviously never enters her head.

I really try to imagine her journey without a "real man" telling her what to do.
I can't.
She barely musters the strength to react to the deadly threat of her power. Alejandro is forced to kick her in the ******, before she can even pull herself together and stops whining.
I can't yet see her acting on her own.
Her eagerness to please every man who shows the slightest inclination to take a small bit of responsibility for her (and thus removes a bit of the burden of carrying the consequences of her deeds herself) annoys me. I don't like people with a "I'm a weak victim, I absolutely insist that you protect me/fight my battles for me" attitude.

But perhaps she's learned her lesson with Sylar?
mtsamuelson
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 3 2007, 09:07 PM) *
I disagree, and I hope some of you out there do as well. And I think she was "killed" by Gabriel represents the end to the Maya we have seen so far. We get to see the rest of her now.


Well, let's keep her around if we get to see the "rest" of her. wink.gif
Astroman77
I am glad she is alive. And am hoping that there is more to her power than just killing people. Hopefully, she is just manifesting a portion of what she can do.
Daedalus
Mohinder and Maya should definitely team up. Sylar killed Alejandro...and he killed Chandra Suresh...and Molly's parents. They're all three bound by a similar need for retribution.

So you have three people there...one who can find him, one who can disable him, and one who can put a bullet in his head.
peterapprentice
QUOTE (Viola @ Dec 5 2007, 12:45 PM) *
I don't like Maya.
The fact that the first thing she did, when arriving in NY, was to cook Sylar a meal, spoke volumes about her character. rolleyes.gif It was so over the top that I couldn't help laughing (It could have been worse. At least she still was dressed under the apron).

The most remarkable thing about her is her passivity. She expects others to solve her problems for her. Mostly Alejandro, then Sylar and which ever Dr. Suresh is available.
There is only one time we see nobody take charge of her, that's after the wedding, and what does she do? She goes to a convent and prays to God that He might make things right for her. The idea to solve her problems herself obviously never enters her head.

I really try to imagine her journey without a "real man" telling her what to do.
I can't.
She barely musters the strength to react to the deadly threat of her power. Alejandro is forced to kick her in the ******, before she can even pull herself together and stops whining.
I can't yet see her acting on her own.
Her eagerness to please every man who shows the slightest inclination to take a small bit of responsibility for her (and thus removes a bit of the burden of carrying the consequences of her deeds herself) annoys me. I don't like people with a "I'm a weak victim, I absolutely insist that you protect me/fight my battles for me" attitude.

But perhaps she's learned her lesson with Sylar?





First off, I completely understand your viewpoint on the character. The entire volume, she did depend on others to solve her problems. The only initiative she showed was deciding to follow another person. So much dependancy for one character.

However, to me...I am holding out for an ultimate judment until after the next volume (or season...the way the strike is going). To me, it makes sense that her character acts this way. Our view of her, other than the wedding and nun scenes, has been on the run. She is fleeing Mexico with her brother. It makes sense that she is depending on him. They are running from the law together, just the two of them. Unlike our other heroes, she can not go to her mother (that knows about the company). She has not had a run in with a time traveling hero from the future, guiding her like Obi Wan. She doesn't have a father to watch out for her, that knows a memory swipping dude to help out in a flash. And on top of all that...they are trying to jump the border with a killer!

Now, once they meet Sylar, things jump up a level. He just so happens to know the one person that can give them answers, and salvation. Like others have said, she is religious and believes in fate. Sylar is a gift from God to lead them to the promise land. Add in that she wants to release her brother from his obligation to her, and Sylar could truly relate to her position, it was the perfect storm for her to be manipulated. Once Sylar draws on Mohinder, all bets are off in her eyes...literally. The bond is officially broken.

Now after saying all of that, I am hoping that the writers have her grow (like other characters after time) in the next volume. I have faith that she will evolve and begin to stand on her on a bit more. The creators have shown us that they CAN DO IT. Now we just have to wait and see if they WILL DO IT.
LightMeDark
I wish she would have died, personally, for two reasons: one, and most importantly to me, her character was extremely boring and uninteresting to me, and secondly, as I was afraid would happen after HRG's resurrection, death no longer has much meaning.
Leek
QUOTE (Viola @ Dec 5 2007, 12:45 PM) *
I don't like Maya.
The fact that the first thing she did, when arriving in NY, was to cook Sylar a meal, spoke volumes about her character. rolleyes.gif It was so over the top that I couldn't help laughing (It could have been worse. At least she still was dressed under the apron).

The most remarkable thing about her is her passivity. She expects others to solve her problems for her. Mostly Alejandro, then Sylar and which ever Dr. Suresh is available.
There is only one time we see nobody take charge of her, that's after the wedding, and what does she do? She goes to a convent and prays to God that He might make things right for her. The idea to solve her problems herself obviously never enters her head.

I really try to imagine her journey without a "real man" telling her what to do.
I can't.
She barely musters the strength to react to the deadly threat of her power. Alejandro is forced to kick her in the ******, before she can even pull herself together and stops whining.
I can't yet see her acting on her own.
Her eagerness to please every man who shows the slightest inclination to take a small bit of responsibility for her (and thus removes a bit of the burden of carrying the consequences of her deeds herself) annoys me. I don't like people with a "I'm a weak victim, I absolutely insist that you protect me/fight my battles for me" attitude.

But perhaps she's learned her lesson with Sylar?


I think that was the point of her being shot. Everyone assumes that "Boo Hoo, now death doesn't matter on the show, and they use bringing people back as a cheap parlor trick", but thats because 10 times more then enjoying the show, people enjoy finding flaws in the show. Search me for why, I haven't faintest idea.

She was..kind of reborn in that. Her wake up call. I wont argue she hasn't been annoying, and I think you thankfully at least pin pointed WHY rather then just POSTING she was annoying and should die. So thank you.

Just as HRG is now on a different path, so is Maya. It is as if they DID die when they, well, died, and they come back into a new life, In HRG's case, it's the sort of life he never wanted. In <aya's, I hope, its the sort of life she has always needed. She has been given a second chance, and she better damn well use it and not start calling Mohinder "god".

It IS annoying how she acts...but I am *hopeing* and supporting the character because I think now we will see her evolution from that wishy washy, needs-a-man-to-save-her sort of character. She has, and will, grow from when we first met her, thus adding layers.
Viola
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However, to me...I am holding out for an ultimate judment until after the next volume (or season...the way the strike is going). To me, it makes sense that her character acts this way. Our view of her, other than the wedding and nun scenes, has been on the run. She is fleeing Mexico with her brother. It makes sense that she is depending on him. They are running from the law together, just the two of them.
But she could have let Alejandro live in peace and gone to NY alone, yes?
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Unlike our other heroes, she can not go to her mother (that knows about the company). She has not had a run in with a time traveling hero from the future, guiding her like Obi Wan. She doesn't have a father to watch out for her, that knows a memory swipping dude to help out in a flash. And on top of all that...they are trying to jump the border with a killer!
Neither had Ted, whose reincarnation she is, yet when Ted discovered how destructive his ability was, he tried to master it on his own.
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Now, once they meet Sylar, things jump up a level. He just so happens to know the one person that can give them answers, and salvation. Like others have said, she is religious and believes in fate. Sylar is a gift from God to lead them to the promise land.
Yes, of course this would appeal to her. You are very right. The problem of course is, can Mohinder give her salvation? Her romantic fantasies make her over-estimate Suresh's ability to help her. And frankly, she could have just send him an e-mail first to ask what he can do. He probably would have even visited them.
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Add in that she wants to release her brother from his obligation to her, and Sylar could truly relate to her position, it was the perfect storm for her to be manipulated. Once Sylar draws on Mohinder, all bets are off in her eyes...literally. The bond is officially broken.
Neither is her ability Alejandro's oblgation, it's her passiveness that manipulates him to bear her cross for her, nor is Sylar the only one who can break the bond. She could do that herself, if she just wanted to.
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Now after saying all of that, I am hoping that the writers have her grow (like other characters after time) in the next volume. I have faith that she will evolve and begin to stand on her on a bit more. The creators have shown us that they CAN DO IT. Now we just have to wait and see if they WILL DO IT.
The learning experience she has gone through, curtsey to Sylar, has been very drastic. Perhaps drastic enough to finally arouse her from her self-chosen passivity.
I don't much care whether she lives or dies right now, but if she continues to manipulate people into taking her responsibility for her own life upon them, I won't continue to be only slightly annoyed. The part of me that pities her is getting smaller and smaller.
If she starts to follow Suresh like a puppy and demands he must make her life right for her, because she doesn't feel like doing it herself today, there's very little that will redeem Maya in my eyes.
But there still is hope she learned her lesson. We'll see.

edit: Leek, I hope so much you are right...
Alessandra
Look, I used to cringe whenever the Wonder Twins came on screen (which was upsetting because they were with my lovely Sylar.), but that last episode [2.11] was the best. Maya's scenes were part of my love for the eleventh episode. I think her character has more places to go. She will mature (hopefully), and go after the Villain(s), in Volime 3 -- namely Sylar. What could be wrong with that?
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