So, after the tramatic ending of Volume 2 of Heroes, we see the start of Volume 3. I'm gunna go out on a limb and say most badass start to a volume yet. AND the title leaves me very excited.

So...what do you guys think? Can we expect great and wonderful things from this upcoming Volume?

I think its going to be cool.
I loved the Sylar scene.

i have high hopes.

I'm hoping they'll introduce new villains, considering the title...

Should be badass.

What to expect?

One word:

Villains, lots and lots of villains

Yeah, I really don't know. Probably a little temptation going on to go to the dark side.

Do you hear it?


The sound of Sarmy members all over the world dancing in the streets?



What a brilliant noise it is...

Are you asking this expecting the same writing team and "strategic" direction from Kring? If you are then I will go out on a limb and say it will be just as frustratingly short in meeting its potential as this season.

This episode was good but keep in mind that we have no idea how many episodes these scenes were actually pulled from. It could have been two episodes worth of action edited into a very good chapter.

Kring's apology notwithstanding, I am starting to lose faith in the production team of Heroes. I will give them a couple of chapters next year and if they can't grab my attention... I will watch Two and a Half Men and 24 and call it a day. And this is from a 35 year comic book fan.

Then you should show more patience...

Try watching Smallville for SIX YEARS...

Its there sophmore season, even the BEST COMICS go through slumps...

Well, considering Kring has already promised that he is listening to the fans, and next volume's chapters will be more fast-paced, I think we will see more like this.

Also, I nearly died laughing when I saw the can he was pulling was "spinach".
I wonder how many Gen-Xer's will get the Popeye reference (you know, regained his strength from a can of spinach?)
Although, it would have been a better reveal if they hadn't shown it was a spinach can until after it was in his hand...

So are we going back to Vol 1 watching Sylar slicing other people's head again? BORING, been there, done that! How many times do we need to watch that?

Why don't they just kill he off and get another new fresh villain with new stories?

I have a problem with that slight plothole...Claire's blood should have only restored his original ability to take powers, not all of the powers he acquired! Having him start over taking powers would have made next Volume a little more interesting. But to have him "back," fully powered? Meh.

Sylar as a villain is def not the problem. The problem is slow paced story arcs they need more twists, turns and more action packed, i mean i feel like im watching a drama instead of a show about people with superpowers. They need to watch Dexter and 24 and learn how to build suspense and not save everything for the last 2 episodes.

I love new villains. But none will be able to replace the one and only truly maniacal and evil antagonist to the end. I think he'll probably be the major villain threat in Volume Three which if we're lucky will lead to an intense fight scene, no holds barred, between Sylar and Peter.

Well, the title is certainly promising...

But Sylar's main goal is to take other people's power. So all he's going to do is to hunt people down and slice their head, nothing else. I'm already bored of watching that again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

I hope they come up with some new villians also


That would suck

Yeah, i'm just hoping for atleast 4 different main villians next year, hopefully Sylar won't be the MAIN one. I'm sorry but the only way i'd still like Sylar is if he got a new sense of purpose then cutting heads, that's just too pointless and boring to see another season of. I loved it in season one but now it'll just seem to damn repetitive. Maybe if him and Emo boy teamed up they could destroy the entire company(don't tell me Sylar wouldn't help emo boy take down the company, Sylar has a bone with them about taking his abilities). Which could also lead up to a huge fight at the end of the season, and the cliff hanger could be who lives and who dies.

Maybe now that Sylar has had a taste of what it's like to have complete control over somebody, maybe he'll try to use that as his strategy. Get a couple heroes under his wing, and when he's satisfied with his hoard, take them. Like Adam but more...temporary.

Then again, nah. Sylar's more of a grab-and-take sort of person.

I hope the main villain next year will be someone else.
I lose interest in Sylar now. I don't want to watch the same thing "evil stare, hungry for more powers, and cut people's skull open" again and again. It's BORNING! Maybe it's time for me to change "lovesylar" this name.

Well, do we REALLY know that? Nope. We know he has TK at the moment. And that was his very first power he ever got. Most definitely his strongest and most commonly used. Perhaps he has that. And he didn't quite have the hang of it. Besides, Peter has all of HIS powers, who would stand up against him but someone with so many powers as well?

But this next volume has me excited for a Mom vs. Son Petrelli battle. The company is still around. Maybe Elle will turn good, and then there will be more villains or something, who knows. But given the title, good chances it won't JUST be Sylar. Plus there's tons of stuff to question. Is Niki REALLY dead? Does Mohinder still work for the company? Will HRG go quietly like that? West and Claire? Matt and Peter are together now, certainly they will try to figure out this murder too. And Hiro is back in Japan, what will he do? Is Adam perhaps coming back hmm? I would argue there is more to look forward to.

It wont alll be about Sylar guys. We have plenty of villains to go around, and some good guys that are doing bad things.

Matt's been getting a bit power crazy, all Angela Petrelli needs is an eye patch and a cat to stroke and she's set, Mohinder shot a man in the face, Bennet may be back with the company, Hiro just left a man burried ALIVE for eternity..these are our HEROES, and they are making Sylar look like an okay guy.

I hope we have more new villians, not just characters we've already seen. It would be a letdown if the Villians just referred to HRG and Sylar.

I'd like to see Sylar meet some other evil SGs and try to cooperate with them rather than kill them all. Definitely introduce the multiple man guy from the graphic novel.

I'd also like to see the main characters learn to organize themselves a little bit. It's ridiculous that they all have these abilities, are all constant targets and haven't banded together to protect themselves. Including Nathan, notwithstanding him apparent assasination, reaching out to Claire.

City of Villains anyone?

I'm excited for "Villains"! I wonder what evil's that "Pandora's Box" unleashed. It'll be cool to see what villains we get and just how significant that title is.

Why? It's my time, not Kring's. You write as if I owe Heroes something. The trouble with the writing didn't start this year, it started towards the end of last season. It just really stank this season... so much so that the creator provided a public mea culpa to that extent.

I too have followed good shows for years but I don't feel that I 'owe' the producers anything. It is a transactional relationship. They entertain me and I provide them with another set of eyeballs they can sell to advertisers.

No entertainment... no eyeballs.

I still love the potential of Heroes (and no, I am not one of those folks that think the action/special effects should match that of a feature film every week) but they need to establish a universe of rules and limitations quickly... and write smart and developing characters with consistent motivations and actions.

I'm not gonna lie.

I am so excited for "Villains" that I can't sleep.

I have wasted a lot of time defending Sylar. That he wasn't a one dimensional villian. This episode proved me wrong. What the F! Was the point of that so called arc of him traveling with Al and Maya if not to reveal a piece of what was left of Gabriel Gray?

Hi, I'm Sylar, I'm here to take you powers..NEXT! Hi, I'm a ruthless killing machine--like Bruce the Shark. Call me Sylar the LandShark. And now I will twirl my Snidely Whiplash moustache?

And what was that with Peter hesitating when his Brother is standing there telling him he's been fooled by Adam? WTF!

Hurray for the Writers Strike maybe it will give time for these guys to find there way back to good writing.




Excellent critique.

Sylar is a great villian. But with Adam out of the way, we do need a replacement.

Maybe HRG? A kind of good guy who has no choice but to be evil.

I don't know... but I'm really excited.

I am excited about Vol. 3: Villians. I just hope that this time we get a whole lot of villians with crazy powers. Maybe they can be the focus of the Heroes this time, drawing the line of Good and Evil for good (or morally Grey )

I really want to see Sylar go after Peter and Hiro (and the looks on their faces)
and who-ever else might pop up with a 'morally gray' agenda. Claire's Mom? Claude?

I guess that they change the previous title named "Exodus" due to the shortage of the second volume and they are moving to the stuff they had for the third season making those as Volume 3 now?
That would explain the change of the name.

As about villains: I REALLY hope we won't have to go with Sylar as the main villain doing the same he did the whole season one I'm quite sure that I will consider leaving this show behind me and move to other better shows.

I would rather like to see him bite it in a ironic way through someone he highly underestimated.
At least it would make a good laugh!

I guess one of the new villains we will be getting is Knox.
Since they kept Adam alive, I guess that he will coming back as well. What bugs me about him is that they reduced his power to regeneration only. Where is the whole controlling bugs and other stuff they announced way back? All changed together with Candices, sylars and the twins storyline they didn't pulled the way they intented to do before.

What I expect and would like to see in the third season or third volume would be REVEALINGS of the whole "Secrets" they still warming up since season one and more that came up through season two but never reveal like as example Angelas Power, the other company peoples powers, who talked Candice with on the phone and much more.

I would love to see an all out war. We were treated to a small taste of Sylar verses Peter, but just think of the possibilites!

Well, Sylar's probably got a bit more focused of an agenda...you all seem to forget, he doesn't have Molly's power, and without information, what's he gonna do? Walk the streets looking for "specials"? My guess is that he's going to go after the Company to get at their files...so much better than Chandra's list! If, that is, he doesn't immediately go back for Mohinder, Maya, and Molly. Either way, even his single-minded goal of "get more powers" could easily lead to a good plot, depending on the route he takes.

All the while, the Company's going to be trying to suppress Peter and Parkman and their "crew", and maybe Peter will go directly after the Company to avenge Nathan. So Sylar and Peter might have a point of convergence. Meanwhile, we'll likely see the company bring out some new "specials" to combat Peter and Sylar...who knows where the Haitian's allegiance will fall? Hell, he's the only one who can contend with Peter and Sylar, the Company NEEDS him on their side. Maybe Adam will get out and go looking for Sylar...he must have learned about him some time, and who knows, maybe Adam has a way that Sylar can take his power but not kill him? Then they can be friends, Sylar gets Adam's regeneration, and Adam gets a buddy! I can really see Adam and Sylar hitting it off, extinguishing the "inferior" humans and all. It's too perfect for the writers NOT to find a way to make it happen.

Remember if Sylar gets his powers back--all his powers--he would be able to take Adam's power as he tried to do with Claire in "Five Years Gone".

Adam versus Sylar sets up a Highlander situation--there can only be one. Guess who I'd be rooting for?

NEITHER! Not until the show gets BETTER! But I still love ZQ so I guess I'm whipped. But I don't like myself for it.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Sylar as the scary villain again = BORING. Can't stress that enough.

Until thjat happens, Peter nor Sylar can die.

My thoughts...

Peter will try to destroy the company to carry on Nathan's legacy. Most likely choosing to expose the heroes as well (as nathan was about to)... He will probably work to recruit more people to his side...

Sylar will, using fear of exposure, coerce others with abilities to join him to stop Peter and friends... (Also removing the reason he failed at kirby plaza. He was outnumbered.)

The "good guys" (Peter's side) would have "nefarious intentions" and the "bad guys" (Sylar's) will be simply "fighting for self-preservation"... Adding a ton of shades of grey to the good/evil equation...

Well... it seems like something that would make a good season to me...

Sylar vs New Villains.. my guess..

Those of you are thinking that Adam is dead or removed, have cut him too short.

Heroes has set up Arch Villains for two of our Heroes, and it seems that they are giving Monica one next year also.

I am hoping they'll show more villains, but I don't really see the need to introduce any new ones. They have the all-powerful invincible one now. Why do you need any other?

Three actually. Sylar/Peter, Adam/Hiro, Maury/Matt.

But Matt is going through that phase where he could become 5YG Matt.

Hiro isn't that acquainted with Matt like Nathan to warn him of the path he threads.

There is also Elle/Claire parallelism. But little sociopathic Elle is having a conflict with what she was brought up with.

But if Adam gets out again we may see his organizational skills.

He did bring the Company together and got Angela to side with him at one point and Maury too.

But Adam should be careful of Sylar who got a taste of manipulating specials with Maya.

The master manipulator may find a match in the relatively newbie villain.

I don't know...

I'm kind of hoping Sylar's story turns into one of redemption. I don't want to see him as a good guy, but I don't want to see him as an outright villain. He was far more interesting in Season 1 when you could see the conflict he was struggling with (with his ID, with his mom, with thinking he was going to blow up NY). There was still some human somewhere inside him, and I hope that it hasn't left forever.

Maybe I'm just a sucker, but I think there's still a chance for him to die a hero.

The role reversal would be great. But I doubt any of the writer's have your creativity any more.

I can't tell you how bummed out I was by last night's episode "Powerless" Powerless is right. The Power of genuine emotion and good plotting is slowly being drained out of "Heroes".

I still can't get over Peter not listening to Nathan and defending Adam for no good reason. WTF?!

And don't get me started about the whole Maya Arc. What was it for? Someone tell me?

Only one thing needs to happen in Volume 3:

Peter and Sylar temporarily team up to take down the company. Peter wants to take them down for reasons already stated and Sylar wants their files. Both agree that only working together can they both achieve what they want.

They agree to stick together until the company is dismantled. But once this is accomplished, they know it will be time to fight each other.

That is all.

Let me go on record right now: most of you will be disappointed (except the hardcore FANatics who seemingly can't be disappointed). Kring and Loeb have shown time and time again that they aren't interested in extended set piece battles... and more to the point... aren't very good at executing them when promised (please see Union Wells HS, Mohinder's Apartment, Kirby Plaza, etc. as examples).

Generations told us very little of the older 'Heroes' in the end. We didn't find out what many of their powers were. We didn't find out the origin of the company. We didn't find out why they started bagging and tagging specials or what the purpose was. We did find out that their huge crime was 1) attempting to create a method to stop dangerous powered folks, which inadvertently mutated; and 2) locking up a dangerous psychopath who wanted to release it and cause a plague.

Some additional questions that Generations could have answered: Is Adam the forefather of all of the Heroes? Since this, contrary to the Genesis opening -- In recent days, a seemingly random group of individuals has emerged with what can only be described as 'special' abilities -- is something that began 400 years ago (not recently) were there other specials manifesting around the time of Adam? What is Angela's role in the Company? Why did Papa Petrelli use Kenzei's symbol for his law firm? What really brought them together? What caused the schism in the company?

As a fan it has become easier to under-expect from these guys then to get worked up into a lather about What. Might. Be. on this show. They have a history of over-promising and under-delivering. The Nightmare Man was given considerable promotional importance with Molly's frightened face and cool edited... and in the end turned out to be a pawn and one that was easily dispatched.

If I am wrong I will ABSOLUTELY be the first one here to apologize to Kring and Company.

I think this right here is the ONLY way they can keep Sylar interesting. Sylar is all about power, and the idea that someone took his power away should really tick him off. As long as the Company stands, they could always do it again. It would be perfectly in character for him to put off his personal quest long enough to take them down.

There is a TON of potential in Volume 3 to really study the nature of super villians. We have Matt on the precipice of the dark side. Elle is starting to realize the benefits of helping others. Sylar could end up helping the heroes fight the Company. Noah is once again under the Company's control, and Mohinder is pretty much brainwashed. Then we have Angela, Bob, and possibly Adam (if he gets loose). Lots and lots of grey levels here.

I think the villians give direction for HEROES. It will continue to bring the "good guys" together to fight the "evil" villans. Peter/Matt have no idea right now that the company shot Nathan. The one really intriguing thing is that Ma Petrelli looks to be the one that had Nathan Shot. So who is in her corner still? Not the company I do not believe.

1. We better see what Sylar actually does with the brains. I'm gonna be eternally annoyed if they don't show this... at least in Season 3.

2. How are they going to fit Sylar in with Zachary Quinto doing the Star Trek movie?

Having Sylar start over would be interesting but I certainly don't see this as a plothole. Nobody ever said that the Shanti Virus would permanently wipe out Sylar's existing powers. Why would it have?

Volume 3 has A LOT of Potential if they get it right,
Character Developement of Villains should be really good seeing as we've seen only that of the good guys till now...
As to Sylar being "back",I hope he goes after the company and not the specials...for now atleast
Now that he knows that he was "MADE" to lose his powers,its the most obvious thing hes gonna do..