Krugeri
Dec 3 2007, 08:03 PM
Okay. I don't really have much to say about this other than the title. My feelings about Snylar Whiplash are well known.
Although, for reasons of full disclosure and intellectual honesty, Sylar's rolling of the eyes when Maya interrupted he and Mohinder right before he shot her was... F L I P P I N G priceless!
What do you think? Prattle on, young ones.
Leek
Dec 3 2007, 08:04 PM
WOOOHOO! PARRTTYYY! MOOREEE SYLLARR! LIFEE IS GOOOOODD!
CrewWolf
Dec 3 2007, 08:05 PM
Sylar iz LUFF.
mmmpancakes
Dec 3 2007, 08:11 PM
Working as intended.
elevator
Dec 3 2007, 08:12 PM
Loving that Sylar was the big cliffhanger.
I'd love to have a season more based on him.
The eye roll was greattt.
hani12
Dec 3 2007, 08:22 PM
Another season of Sylar *shock, horror, high blood pressure*
I'm glad Sylar is back actually, we get to see him back in all his evil glory, before someone whoops his brain-eating arse accordingly
Requiem191
Dec 3 2007, 08:31 PM
yeah, i'm glad to see that he's got his powers back... he just wasn't good without em... well, not good good, but you get what I mean...
now, if they just give sylar a better storyline other than taking powers, as in they give him a cause, albeit and evil one, to fight for, then I would luff his part of the show even more... I mean really, sylar is great, but he needs a bigger storyline if he's going to stay in the show as long as he is... just sayin'...
devolution
Dec 3 2007, 08:36 PM
Give him a better purpose than cutting heads and they could just rename the show Sylar. But if they keep having him cutting heads i'd rather they just kill him off in a glorious way. The only way he can die, for someone to EAT HIS BRAIN AND GAIN HIS POWER!!!!!! and knowledge of course.
Krugeri
Dec 3 2007, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Dec 3 2007, 10:31 PM)

yeah, i'm glad to see that he's got his powers back... he just wasn't good without em... well, not good good, but you get what I mean...
now, if they just give sylar a better storyline other than taking powers, as in they give him a cause, albeit and evil one, to fight for, then I would luff his part of the show even more... I mean really, sylar is great, but he needs a bigger storyline if he's going to stay in the show as long as he is... just sayin'...

What storyline can you give Sylar that we haven't seen already. "Me see power... me want power... me got power." He is like a Sith Lord in that he can't even join a team... he'll want to kill them and take their powers. That's what he does, he is a shark. Sharks kill. Any sudden change that leads Sylar to start the Legion of Doom would be absolutely out of character.
And now that Peter can "find people" like Molly... what the heck? Find bad guy... waste bad guy. As much as I really like Zach Quinto as an actor and Sylar as a character (in the first season) I just think they need to move on, IMHO.
MeOhMilo
Dec 3 2007, 08:49 PM
I have to agree with the OP. Trust me, I loved Sylar in season 1, but he's kinda pointless now even with his powers back. I also love ZQ, and I died laughing at his hilarious eye roll (i wonder if that was just ZQ), but let's face it, his character is only around because of his popularity and because Tim Kring likes ZQ (which I don't blame him for). And I'm kinda ****** that they can keep Sylar around with no real purpose for 2 seasons, yet they write off Adam after half of one? He better come back, cuz he's a damn good villian.
Islington
Dec 3 2007, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (Krugeri @ Dec 3 2007, 11:03 PM)

Okay. I don't really have much to say about this other than the title. My feelings about Snylar Whiplash are well known.
Although, for reasons of full disclosure and intellectual honesty, Sylar's rolling of the eyes when Maya interrupted he and Mohinder right before he shot her was... F L I P P I N G priceless!
What do you think? Prattle on, young ones.
Volume 3: Villains
Thats plural. All I have to say.
GirLwTheHair
Dec 3 2007, 09:06 PM
Sylar is amazing, he's one of the most bad-****** villians on TV. The next volume is called Villians for a reason- Sylar going to play a BIG part next season & it will NOT be boring.
Krugeri
Dec 3 2007, 09:13 PM
QUOTE (GirLwTheHair @ Dec 3 2007, 11:06 PM)

Sylar is amazing, he's one of the most bad-****** villians on TV. The next volume is called Villians for a reason- Sylar going to play a BIG part next season & it will NOT be boring.
What storyline do you give Sylar that makes him fresh next year?
GirLwTheHair
Dec 3 2007, 09:21 PM
I dunno, I'm not a writer. I trust the writers for HEROES to deal w/ that, thank you very much.
Apeiron
Dec 3 2007, 09:22 PM
QUOTE (MeOhMilo @ Dec 3 2007, 09:49 PM)

I have to agree with the OP. Trust me, I loved Sylar in season 1, but he's kinda pointless now even with his powers back. I also love ZQ, and I died laughing at his hilarious eye roll (i wonder if that was just ZQ), but let's face it, his character is only around because of his popularity and because Tim Kring likes ZQ (which I don't blame him for). And I'm kinda ****** that they can keep Sylar around with no real purpose for 2 seasons, yet they write off Adam after half of one? He better come back, cuz he's a damn good villian.
I disagree, I think Sylar is a brilliantly written villain who has quite a bit of depth. Where as Adam is just an angry person, who seems to waver back and forth between good and evil. Don't get me wrong I think it was well written how Hiro was what made Adam both noble and evil. Sylar though, in my opinion just has a charismatic personality that pulls you in just enough to make you hate him. When his mom was introduced his genuine side showed through, and made you believe he wasn't all bad, just so you could hate him more when he killed her. Similarly when he was powerless, and seemed sincere when he first met Maya, only to take advantage of her trust when he realized she was his way to power, one way or another. Lastly when he was talking to Mohinder in volume one about the bomb, he said "Why would I kill innocent people? there's nothing for me to gain from it." I think that showed that he is still compassionate somewhere inside still, his lust for power just outweighs it. I think Adam though a very great character, seems to lack the same depth, whereas Sylar is the kind of villain you love to hate.
GirLwTheHair
Dec 3 2007, 09:26 PM
QUOTE (Apeiron @ Dec 4 2007, 12:22 AM)

I disagree, I think Sylar is a brilliantly written villain who has quite a bit of depth. Where as Adam is just an angry person, who seems to waver back and forth between good and evil. Don't get me wrong I think it was well written how Hiro was what made Adam both noble and evil. Sylar though, in my opinion just has a charismatic personality that pulls you in just enough to make you hate him. When his mom was introduced his genuine side showed through, and made you believe he wasn't all bad, just so you could hate him more when he killed her. Similarly when he was powerless, and seemed sincere when he first met Maya, only to take advantage of her trust when he realized she was his way to power, one way or another. Lastly when he was talking to Mohinder in volume one about the bomb, he said "Why would I kill innocent people? there's nothing for me to gain from it." I think that showed that he is still compassionate somewhere inside still, his lust for power just outweighs it. I think Adam though a very great character, seems to lack the same depth, whereas Sylar is the kind of villain you love to hate.
Yes.. I totally agree w/ you. That's the fresh story that I know the writers can add to and develop. The character of Sylar has so many layers. I really don't understand how some people think Sylar is boring.
The11thWonder
Dec 3 2007, 10:01 PM
Admittedly it isn't the Heroes style to have lots of these, but I thought I'd mention that bringing Sylar back could mean some awesome big fight scenes (esp. with Peter!)
doggfatherJ
Dec 3 2007, 10:13 PM
tehre wasnt much Sylar on this second season tho.. so i am really really glad to see him back... its so refreshing to finnaly have a "no doubt" bad guy again... i mean.. with season two.. noone really knew who was bad.. (bob could be good, adam might be good, Sylar might be in love) WHICH is great too.. much respect to the writers for that one.. but.. to have the good guy bad guy scenario, its great!
IGotSuperPowers
Dec 3 2007, 10:25 PM
Sylar's eye rolling will get a whole paragraph in my Heroes blog I think..
Any Sylar haters really shouldn't read my blog. Most of it is how awesome Sylar is, even if he wasn't in the episode. Anyways, WOO SYLAR IS BACK! The cliffhanger ending sucked sooo much but it was so so so good!
Chaogasm
Dec 3 2007, 10:29 PM
I'm thinking we're going to see a 'You injected me with the virus, now I'm going to kill you' thing going on with Sylar. He knows someone took his powers away (the one thing he cherishes in the world), and now he's ******. I think it could be a lot of fun, and it actually gives them a way to put him in with the other characters without killing them. Well...at least not until he gets what he wants. >;]
pngaou
Dec 3 2007, 10:47 PM
I thought Sylar should have just died off during season 1. His whole arc could have been done in this episode alone.
Zach Quinto is lucky he has such a massive fan club. The creators know the fan girls would go crazy if Sylar was killed off.
Inner-Demon
Dec 3 2007, 10:53 PM
Sylar is still ripe for potential, and there are very many lingering questions relating to the character. I love Sylar as a villain, so I look forward to seeing what they do with "Villains".
ortizmj12
Dec 3 2007, 11:02 PM
LMAO! Yeah, that eye roll was awesome
Agent42
Dec 4 2007, 12:23 AM
I think Vol. 1 should have ended Sylar. Another season with him, yeah I kinda agree with the *yawn*. We can already predict it's going to be a Peter/Sylar showdown again, since Peter's the only one who can handle him. Well, maybe Maya can take him down -- if she can keep her head. But, I see a repeat of Vol. 1 when we should be moving forward...
Black Lotus
Dec 4 2007, 02:20 AM
You guys can hate Sylar all you want, but the show needs a character like him. He is the 3rd wheel in the major groups on the show. The Good guys, bad guys and Sylar. (yes, "bad guy also") However Sylar is a free range character, who just does what he believes is right to him. He doesn't' follow the rules of either major side. This causes tension for each side in that they both have a common evil that is constantly hanging over their heads. I just find it awesome that even though its Sylar pitted against an entire company with who knows how much experience and all the random good guys who know about him.. how he can hold his own and even without any powers, have the nerve to just walk up and take what he wants.
JackManic
Dec 4 2007, 04:15 AM
Sylar healed himself with claire's blood does that mean that he can now heal himself? He got candice's power, didnt he? So it is possible that he got claire's ability. I think they can write a story for sylar. I'm sure he wants to know why the company kept him alive. Did they have a purpose for him? were they going to take his powers away, and wipe him clean? I have a feeling that there might be an enemy of my enemy thing going to happen with sylar.
Alordo
Dec 4 2007, 04:28 AM
Well, I guess my prediction came true. I never posted it because I wanted to avoid a flame war with all the Sylar fans. But I figured since he is the most wanted character on the show next to HRG, that they may as well move on and wipe out or write off everyone else but these two. Looks like they've managed it. Sylar is going to go after the people that removed his specialness. So it will be HRG vs. Sylar for volume 3. Yaaay! Well, it was nice to see a lot of talented actors/actresses for as long as we did. I wonder what it'll be like just watching Jack Coleman and Zach Quinto trying their best to keep the show alive.
Seriously, is there much point in keeping the other characters around if you keep an invincible villain?
GOPEANUTZ
Dec 4 2007, 05:07 AM
Another Sylar-head-slicing-season..hmm, i wonder how creative the writers will get. No offence, i like Evil Sylar and all but i hope it doesn't go back to him sitting in a diner waiting to kill some waitress again..
revel911
Dec 4 2007, 05:17 AM
QUOTE (GOPEANUTZ @ Dec 4 2007, 08:07 AM)

Another Sylar-head-slicing-season..hmm, i wonder how creative the writers will get. No offence, i like Evil Sylar and all but i hope it doesn't go back to him sitting in a diner waiting to kill some waitress again..
Just because Sylar is alive, what makes you think he will be the focus. The volume is call Villain
S, not Villain.
tunerX
Dec 4 2007, 05:46 AM
Yeah they need to get rid of him. Something new would be better. He killed Alejandro so he can't get the powers of the dynamic duo.
Veronica Mars should have killed him.
MatrixRunner57
Dec 4 2007, 06:16 AM
First of all, I don't think Sylar will have Candace's power because he killed her while his powers were turned off.
Next, he does not have Claire's power because he has some of her blood in his system. The blood heals the virus and cures any ills he currently has.
What I would love to see with Sylar would for him to hook up with another villain and think he is the big bad but then the real big bad emerges and kills Sylar on his/her way to attack our heroes!
Imthehero
Dec 4 2007, 06:45 AM
I would just like to add that any character(or actor too for that matter) cool enough that the fans like him enough to keep him around an extra season or two isnt a bad thing. He is such a well developed character, and the acting is off the charts. These are the reasons he is liked as much as he is, and the reason the writers kept him around. Anyone that thinks next season is gonna go back to the Sylar Slice-N-Dice from season one is wrong. Whats even better then a Serial Killer Sylar? A Serial Killer Sylar that has a grudge against the company, Mohinder, Peter, Hiro, Probably Claire and HRG. Sylar is now officially mad at almost every major character, and the company as well. You think he is just gonna fall back into Gotta Catch Em All mode? Shoot no, he gonna be back with an agenda, and heads are gonna roll. Also, we need to wonder if he is going to try to snag Maya, how the other heroes are gonna protect her if he is, and how she will deal with Sylar when they next meet.
And I havnt even gotten into the fact that next season will most likely have multiple villians, with all kinds of fun villian games and stuff, so we get to see if maybe the villians come together as well as the heroes did, and if perhaps Sylar will go rogue and start hunting the other villians too.
Boingy420
Dec 4 2007, 06:48 AM
I hope Sylar takes Molly's power, tracks Adam, and kills him.
That'd be pretty funny.
"Yes, I'm free thank..Oh...Sh...WAIT WAIT WAIT"
*head cut*
Rebel
Dec 4 2007, 06:58 AM
QUOTE (Apeiron @ Dec 3 2007, 09:22 PM)

I disagree, I think Sylar is a brilliantly written villain who has quite a bit of depth. Where as Adam is just an angry person, who seems to waver back and forth between good and evil. Don't get me wrong I think it was well written how Hiro was what made Adam both noble and evil. Sylar though, in my opinion just has a charismatic personality that pulls you in just enough to make you hate him. When his mom was introduced his genuine side showed through, and made you believe he wasn't all bad, just so you could hate him more when he killed her. Similarly when he was powerless, and seemed sincere when he first met Maya, only to take advantage of her trust when he realized she was his way to power, one way or another. Lastly when he was talking to Mohinder in volume one about the bomb, he said "Why would I kill innocent people? there's nothing for me to gain from it." I think that showed that he is still compassionate somewhere inside still, his lust for power just outweighs it. I think Adam though a very great character, seems to lack the same depth, whereas Sylar is the kind of villain you love to hate.
You just the made the case for why he was a good villian last year. And how he lost dimensionality this year. The whole Maya Arc, if it had any purpose, was supposed to produce a an aspect of humanity still within the character. Maybe he had his jollies with Maya but it failed to produce any real emotion. Though it looked as if it did for a moment--back in "Kindness of Stranger". But in "Powerless" it was made clear Sylar is just a run of the mill sociopathic moustache twirler. Remember what made Hannibal Lecter so fascinating is the connection he made to Clarice in the role of Teacher and Student. That was real and a genuine aspect of his character. Perhaps that's a way they can go with a character. Cause you know he's going to be captured again. The Haitian and Maya could do it easily by setting a trap.
But as it stands now. Sylar is Mr. one Note--Give me BRAINS! I WANT BRAINS! That's dull. The Gabriel Grey in the "Hard Part" wrestling with what he was doing was interesting. Total Blackness is boring.
"What happened to your nose?" Are we to take that as pittance of genuine concern of Sylar for Mohinder? I don't think so. Let me be clear. I don't care who the character he has a genuine emotion with. Mohinder, Maya, an as yet unseen Grandma or cousin. Maybe he'll get a dog or fall in love with Mr. Muggles. SOMETHING! I've argued with Krugeri about Sylar's dimensionality. I think he's right. Sylar has tappered to a point where there is only blackness and there is no where for the actor ZQ or the audience to go with him.
There is only one other way out for the character. Some how he becomes, like Tony Soprano, concerned with being a good father.
I don't know, Maybe Parkman and Maya get ditched and Sylar, Mohinder and Molly on a road trip and things evolve...You tell me.
Copestic
Dec 4 2007, 07:08 AM
When Mohinder told Sylar that the Company had injected him with the virus, the look on Sylar's face said a lot. I think Sylar is going to go after the company in the next volume. And from what happened with Nathan, I think Peter is going after the Company as well. Can you imagine having both Sylar and Peter going after you at once? There is going to be one hell of a showdown if that happens. Also, if you think about it, the Company has to have access to other Heroes who happen to be considered dangerous. There could be Heroes being held or studied by the Company that could end up fighting against Sylar and Peter. That is a way better way to go with Sylar then having him just eat brains again.
Rebel
Dec 4 2007, 07:42 AM
QUOTE (Copestic @ Dec 4 2007, 07:08 AM)

When Mohinder told Sylar that the Company had injected him with the virus, the look on Sylar's face said a lot. I think Sylar is going to go after the company in the next volume. And from what happened with Nathan, I think Peter is going after the Company as well. Can you imagine having both Sylar and Peter going after you at once? There is going to be one hell of a showdown if that happens. Also, if you think about it, the Company has to have access to other Heroes who happen to be considered dangerous. There could be Heroes being held or studied by the Company that could end up fighting against Sylar and Peter. That is a way better way to go with Sylar then having him just eat brains again.
I hope someone is listening to you. There have been other good suggestions. I just fear none of them are going to be taken.
Sylar is awesome. Best villian on T.V.
When the writers return, and give him an amazing arc, all the haters can apologize. We'll start a thread called crow buffet.
Now that he has a grudge against the company, maybe he will team up with some other heroes. Him and Peter smashing face would be awesome, until you get to the backstabbing. Then it would be turbo awesome.
Koempel
Dec 4 2007, 07:51 AM
Hope Sylar digs up our immortal friend and joins him in his cause. They both seem to think they're gods.
Frenzy
Dec 4 2007, 08:05 AM
QUOTE (Chaogasm @ Dec 4 2007, 01:29 AM)

I'm thinking we're going to see a 'You injected me with the virus, now I'm going to kill you' thing going on with Sylar. He knows someone took his powers away (the one thing he cherishes in the world), and now he's ******. I think it could be a lot of fun, and it actually gives them a way to put him in with the other characters without killing them. Well...at least not until he gets what he wants. >;]
I believe this is wxactly where they are going to take this character. He is not "good" or "bad" as others have stated, he is out for himself.
He will be going after whomever took away his powers, all the while trying to get more and more powers for himself.
ShinyHunter
Dec 4 2007, 08:07 AM
QUOTE (Rebel @ Dec 4 2007, 06:58 AM)

You just the made the case for why he was a good villian last year. And how he lost dimensionality this year. The whole Maya Arc, if it had any purpose, was supposed to produce a an aspect of humanity still within the character. Maybe he had his jollies with Maya but it failed to produce any real emotion. Though it looked as if it did for a moment--back in "Kindness of Stranger". But in "Powerless" it was made clear Sylar is just a run of the mill sociopathic moustache twirler. Remember what made Hannibal Lecter so fascinating is the connection he made to Clarice in the role of Teacher and Student. That was real and a genuine aspect of his character. Perhaps that's a way they can go with a character. Cause you know he's going to be captured again. The Haitian and Maya could do it easily by setting a trap.
But as it stands now. Sylar is Mr. one Note--Give me BRAINS! I WANT BRAINS! That's dull. The Gabriel Grey in the "Hard Part" wrestling with what he was doing was interesting. Total Blackness is boring.
"What happened to your nose?" Are we to take that as pittance of genuine concern of Sylar for Mohinder? I don't think so. Let me be clear. I don't care who the character he has a genuine emotion with. Mohinder, Maya, an as yet unseen Grandma or cousin. Maybe he'll get a dog or fall in love with Mr. Muggles. SOMETHING! I've argued with Krugeri about Sylar's dimensionality. I think he's right. Sylar has tappered to a point where there is only blackness and there is no where for the actor ZQ or the audience to go with him.
There is only one other way out for the character. Some how he becomes, like Tony Soprano, concerned with being a good father.
I don't know, Maybe Parkman and Maya get ditched and Sylar, Mohinder and Molly on a road trip and things evolve...You tell me.
I am so sick of reading this 'he's a mustach-twriling villain' complaint. I'm sorry but isn't the whole psychopathic villain who is really just emotionally crippled becaue they made fun of him in high school and he just needs his mommy/someone to love idea just as cliché?
I'm glad he didn't fall in love with Maya and suddenly forget about being a villain, wanting instead to start a family. And there's no way he could convince her to become his side-kick so there goes that option.
Sylar is power-hungry. He will always be power-hungry and he will always want to feel special. In volume 3 he just needs to meet someone who is his equal but also someone who already has the same abilities as he does so he doesn't have the urge to kill them. aka Peter.
ultrazero
Dec 4 2007, 08:24 AM
Without Sylar, Peter becomes deux ex machina.
miloo409
Dec 4 2007, 08:25 AM
aww having Sylar for one more season is priceless and that was one of things that made me happy while I was crying fo Nathan

so welcome back Sylar!yay
Rebel
Dec 4 2007, 08:27 AM
QUOTE (ShinyHunter @ Dec 4 2007, 08:07 AM)

I am so sick of reading this 'he's a mustach-twriling villain' complaint. I'm sorry but isn't the whole psychopathic villain who is really just emotionally crippled becaue they made fun of him in high school and he just needs his mommy/someone to love idea just as cliché?
I'm glad he didn't fall in love with Maya and suddenly forget about being a villain, wanting instead to start a family. And there's no way he could convince her to become his side-kick so there goes that option.
Sylar is power-hungry. He will always be power-hungry and he will always want to feel special. In volume 3 he just needs to meet someone who is his equal but also someone who already has the same abilities as he does so he doesn't have the urge to kill them. aka Peter.
Where not talking about him needing a hug or psychoanalysis. For a character to not be dull he has to have aspects. He cannot become a one note charachter. We saw so much more last season.
We're not being shown a struggle within the character we're seeing a dull Johnny one note character. I don't care if he falls in love with Maya or Muggles or Mohinder or his favorite Flower. Or someone who's another version of himself--Hey, ain't that Peter? Well, I don't care if he falls in love, in lust or in love with Peter or pretty pictures he drew himself. And if he found someone like himself it would be a dual to the finish. No chance of love there at all.
What made Lindermann a good baddie was that he was so likeable and jovial and seemingly so full of good intentions--at first. We saw that he likes to cook, we saw he's thinks he's an altruist.
What's destroying Sylar is that they are writing out anything that gives him depth of character. All he does now is KILL. That's what makes him dull. And a cartoon villian. That' was whole reason for putting the stupid Maya arc in.
Until they decieded romances on Heroes don't work. The girls get jealous of the girls the main good guy--Peter and the main bad guy--Sylar romance.
But we have to see more than just a relentless power quest and killings for a character to be involving. It doesn't have to be a romance. Maybe he develops a love for music. Something that puts a little more color into Gabriel Gray.
Apeiron
Dec 4 2007, 08:45 AM
QUOTE (Rebel @ Dec 4 2007, 07:58 AM)

"What happened to your nose?" Are we to take that as pittance of genuine concern of Sylar for Mohinder? I don't think so. Let me be clear. I don't care who the character he has a genuine emotion with. Mohinder, Maya, an as yet unseen Grandma or cousin. Maybe he'll get a dog or fall in love with Mr. Muggles. SOMETHING! I've argued with Krugeri about Sylar's dimensionality. I think he's right. Sylar has tappered to a point where there is only blackness and there is no where for the actor ZQ or the audience to go with him.
It sounded like real concern to me, because he then said "You know your father helped me become what I am." almost implying that he wanted Mohinder to help him also, and not have to kill him. He then told Mohinder he only turned on his father, because Chandra "betrayed" him. And earlier in volume two, he seemed to actually be falling for Maya in his own sick way. Though granted his desperation had him killing her, but he was quick to have Mohinder try and bring her back as a test, he could have just as easily had him test Molly, as he knew Molly was Mohinders weakness. Anyway even if he never finds a soft spot for anyone, or never actually holds real compassion for long, Its seems obvious to me that he is not being set up for another kill em and steel em story arc. Lastly I disagree, when you say he has tapered to a point of only blackness. If anything he seems to be evolving into a more emotional and rational character than simply someone who murder's for power. His powerlessness had him showing many moments of sincerity and intuitiveness, when before, his means to his goals were a lot more brash, and a lot less subtle. Just my humble opinion though.
I have noticed that there is a ton of subtly in the writing of this show. They seem to want you to see the plot unfolding through small phrases and simple gestures just as much as through the explanations they give. Which is what leaves people lingering on assumptions of small things that took place. Simply because if you pay close attention you usually see a lot of foreshadowing going on telling of events to come, even though none of it tends to involve how it will end.
MrsGoogly
Dec 4 2007, 08:50 AM
Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but I thought Sylar was not going to be that prominent in Volume 3 due to Zachary Quinto's Star Trek commitments? Of course, that could all change now as he might be done with Star Trek by the time Volume 3 resumes its filming schedule. So we could get more Sylar than originally intended. YAY!
ShinyHunter
Dec 4 2007, 08:51 AM
QUOTE (Rebel @ Dec 4 2007, 08:27 AM)

Where not talking about him needing a hug or psychoanalysis. For a character to not be dull he has to have aspects. He cannot become a one note charachter. We saw so much more last season.
We're not being shown a struggle within the character we're seeing a dull Johnny one note character. I don't care if he falls in love with Maya or Muggles or Mohinder or his favorite Flower. Or someone who's another version of himself--Hey, ain't that Peter? Well, I don't care if he falls in love, in lust or in love with Peter or pretty pictures he drew himself. And if he found someone like himself it would be a dual to the finish. No chance of love there at all.
We have to see more than just a relentless power quest and killings for him to involve us.
I didn't say he needed a hug. I said the 'aspect' of him being this poor bird with a broken wing which is his excuse for killing is just as common in villainy. Same goes for the 'I fell in love and changed my evil ways' aspect.
I don't want him to fall in love- that would be so incredibly dull. Even if he finds some girl who is without abilities but wants to help him kill.
He needs someone he can respect or someone who is a threat to him. Either he teams up with Peter for a short time (both of them wanting to achieve different goals but needing to work together for that to happen) or in the future Sylar kills Hiro, steals his abilities, realizes how wrong he was and travels back in time to convince himself to stop killing.
monkeybird
Dec 4 2007, 08:54 AM
Volume 3: Sylar and Peter have a big tea party. They introduce 57 new characters. (Peter falls in love with at least 7 of them, 2 of whom he's related to) Hiro is his own Grandpa. (the nasty in the past-y)
10thWOTW
Dec 4 2007, 08:58 AM
Sylar is NOT aVillian. Sylar is just a poor pityfull me, boo hoo I am not special, black crazy as a loon serial killer. Nothing more. To be a true villian one must have purpose; Adam wanted to destroy the world so that he and he alone could save it and become their god. The Company in it's own moral grayness wants to save the world/Special on their own terms. Sylar just wants to kill.
Now if truely "Volume III: VillianS" would team up Specials that ARE NOT moraly grey but truely evil and want to conquer and rule the world (ala Legion of Doom or Magneto's Group of X-Men) then absolutely 100% great. Dig up Adam, get Maury un-comatose, add in Angela Petrelli and, from the shadows, Papa Petrelli, recruit Sylar as their "tool" and HRG as their "Normal" THEN we have some story that would enthuse everyone. Then we can band together some good guys: Peter, Matt, Maya, Elle, Molly and Mohinder with special guests the Micah&Monica Team New Orleans, to fight the take over of the world scenerio, while having the Company rebuffing both sides to maintain their control. That would be exciting.
But as it seems to be now, is that Tim & Co. have reset to the Season 1. I think it would be totally boring to have a third season that does nothing but repeat the first two seasons..my 2 cents
ImSoGreat
Dec 4 2007, 09:18 AM
All I have to say is Woot for Sylar. I can't wait to see him up and eating brains again.
For those that think he has Candances power. I'm pretty sure he doesn't. His power wasn't working at the time so I don't think there is any what he could have gotten it. I'm also sure he doesn't have claire's power. He blood just get's you to 100% health, but after that you can still get hurt, just like Nathan.
Other than it being a great outcome, WTF is wrong with Mohinder. I mean how ****** is he. I don't care if Sylar would have killed me, I wouldn't have given Sylar his power back. Mohinder just got worse this season, but at least Peter is less annoying.
Rebel
Dec 4 2007, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (Apeiron @ Dec 4 2007, 08:45 AM)

It sounded like real concern to me, because he then said "You know your father helped me become what I am." almost implying that he wanted Mohinder to help him also, and not have to kill him. He then told Mohinder he only turned on his father, because Chandra "betrayed" him. And earlier in volume two, he seemed to actually be falling for Maya in his own sick way. Though granted his desperation had him killing her, but he was quick to have Mohinder try and bring her back as a test, he could have just as easily had him test Molly, as he knew Molly was Mohinders weakness. Anyway even if he never finds a soft spot for anyone, or never actually holds real compassion for long, Its seems obvious to me that he is not being set up for another kill em and steel em story arc. Lastly I disagree, when you say he has tapered to a point of only blackness. If anything he seems to be evolving into a more emotional and rational character than simply someone who murder's for power. His powerlessness had him showing many moments of sincerity and intuitiveness, when before, his means to his goals were a lot more brash, and a lot less subtle. Just my humble opinion though.
I have noticed that there is a ton of subtly in the writing of this show. They seem to want you to see the plot unfolding through small phrases and simple gestures just as much as through the explanations they give. Which is what leaves people lingering on assumptions of small things that took place. Simply because if you pay close attention you usually see a lot of foreshadowing going on telling of events to come, even though none of it tends to involve how it will end.
I only know what we are shown. And what we are shown is his obsessive, greedy pursuit of powers. I thought he was digging the knife into Mohinder when he said that about his father creating him. Salt on a wound. How would testing it on Molly would've shown him anything--unless he shot her--I don't know. If he had done that. That would've put inside Permanent Midnight. I suppose I hadn't thought about it, but I guess there is a case you can make about Sylar not letting Maya stay dead. Joker logic there.
In "Harley Quinn" the Joker shoots and blows up his girl friend and when she comes back to kick his butt he says, "Dizzy, broad. Blaming me for every glitch the relationship." (She eventually gets the upper hand...Joker is hanging on by his fingernails on a tall building's steel girder as Harley is about to knock him off with a wrench and he says 'Would it make a difference if I said I'm sorry." She says, 'Yeah' and takes him back.)
All we are shown so far by his actions, at least , in this last episode is the pursuit of getting powers. He says it to us in "the Line". Then in "Powerless" he goes about doing it. Though I have to also say, when he grabs Maya before pushing her into the lab, it was almost another seduction scene. And when he gloats over Surresh and tells him about Isaac. It had its odd subtextually sexual moments.
My essential point: HE DOESN'T PERSUE or DO ANYTHING ELSE that we are shown beyond killing people. He did while on the Maya arc but they ended that. So what am I suppose to take away?
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