So we know from Matt and a few others that a "Heroes" ability grows over time.
It becomes much more than it was originally.

Did anyone else notice that during the Peter/Hiro fight scene that Hiro teleported while time was frozen!
I always assumed that part of his teleporting ability was related to being able to freeze time.
I am by the door, freeze time, move by the window, unfreeze time and I appear to have "teleported".
However, while he and Peter were both in a state of stopped chronology, he actually disappeared from Peter's view and reappeared behind Adam!
Certainly if he was merely time-travelling, he would have then gone to a point where Peter wasn't with Adam, so I don't think that is what he was doing.
I wonder if this is an expansion of his power!

In season 1, hiro somehow only stop the bullet from "hope"
I think this is an expansion of his power

you need to reconsider what Hiro's power realy consists of. He can control time AND space, but simeltaneously (teleportation from present Japan to future NY, present NY to ancient Japan...ironic and symetric in a way too) and individually (ancient Japan, in front of Kensei and behind him then same instant). Now your example of freezing time and simply walking from door to window, then unfreezing time also gives the effect of teleportation, Hiro's ability allows him to by pass that walking altogther as well. Even though Peter may still have Hiro's ability, thus a time freeze having no affect, Hiro's teleportation is simply him going from A to B and not affecting anyone else the process.

Plus, since Peter also has that ability, whose to say Peter didn't subconciously maintain that time freeze while Hiro teleported during the "frozen" fight sequence?

Interesting point Chidydog.

And, being big on symbolism myself, I like the correlation you drew between his pJapan -fNew York and pNew York to p(ast)Japan time-jumps.
Veddy interesting!

Hiro never had a need to teleport while time was stopped before. It's cool that he can, though. His teleportation from previous instances wasn't him simply walking with stopped time. He bends both time in space. He's made the distinction between the different things he can do with it.

actually.. from what i remember... he didnt stop the bullet.. but.. made it go back into the gun... if u watch it.. u see the bullet come out.. and then go back in... maybe he can stop time for individual things.. and make it go back.. i dunno.. but..yeah.. it looked like an expansion of his power... HIRO was badass in this episode!

Didn't Hiro keep time frozen when he teleported the man he thought was Kensei back in the first episode of season 2?

I've never bought the fact the Hiro actually stops time. If you think about it - that power is quite staggering. Does he stop time in the entire universe? I somehow doubt that. Just the Earth? Or is it a local effect? Maybe. But if its local then it causes a few problems. Say he freezes time in his immediate area for 30 mins. Now once he unfreezes time, all the watches and timepieces would be 30 mins behind the rest of the world and the universe. And what about people on the edge of the zone he freezes? Would they see everyone frozen within the zone? What if they try and cross it?

I think what Hiro does is travel to a 'hypertime' where he just moves faster in relation to our normal time. I believe the reason Peter is unaffected is because when Hiro is near him and does that - Peter's copied ability just kicks in and he joins Hiro in 'hypertime'. It also goes along with his teleport power. He can travel thru a higher dimension or hypertime where distance and time have no real meaning and he can go where and whenever he wants.

That could also explain how he could do what he did. Peter is drawn into the hypertime with Hiro so for both of them - everything else seems to be frozen in time. Hiro has concious use of his power while Peter is 'along for the ride', so Hiro can appear to move around inside hypertime faster than Peter can follow him.

And then when Hiro is stunned - he drops out of the hypertime into normal time. So to Adam he just appears from nowhere.

He stops time. Thats it! Its not a hypertime, he stops time, its not what YOU think it is. Not meaning to sound harsh but posts like these really bother me. Writers and the character himself says what he can do. Yet you say its something else. Come on

Maybe one day he'll learn how to teleport things (or people) to him.

The only other power I saw him have was the ability to dig a grave, find a casket, put Adam in it, and fill 'er up all by himself. That must have taken a LOT of coordinating and manpower.

He didn't need to do much other than teleport Adam in it, and teleport out...

Might have been a tight situation somewhere along the process, and he might have had to teleport the previous owner of the coffin out first...

But then again, Hiro had time on his side...

Ya know, there's a ramification to Hiro's power that I don't think anyone has realized: he can, in effect, clone himself.

We know he traveled to the future and met his future self, so we know that by traveling in time he can, in effect, be two places at the same time.

Now, this is going to get a little complicated, so please try to keep up.

What if Hiro (let's call him "Hiro 2", you'll see why in a second) travels two minutes backward in time? He meets himself from two minutes ago--"Hiro 1". In theory, Hiro 1 becomes Hiro 2 in two minutes, but since Hiro can alter the future (as has been proven at the ends of both volume 1 and, seemingly, volume 2), he can keep Hiro 1 from time-traveling in two minutes. Obviously, since Hiro can go back and change the past without affecting his future self (if he couldn't, then Future Hiro from volume 1 should have created a paradox by saving New York, because if New York didn't blow up, Future Hiro would have no reason to go back in time to STOP New York from blowing up; but clearly, Future Hiro DID stop New York from blowing up, so when he time-travels, his actions in the past don't affect his future self), nothing will happen to Hiro 2 if he stops Hiro 1 from time-traveling in two minutes. There will just be two Hiros, until one of them time-travels again.

Therefore, Hiro could repeat this process indefinitely, making as many of himself as he wants! AND...he could then teleport his "army" to wherever and whenever he wants!

Logic, people. This is what I wasted 6 years of my life learning about.

When he starts doing THIS, I will REALLY consider his ability to have "expanded".

I'm sorry if I put your cape in a twist.

I thought this board had an open attititude for ideas and theories. Guess I was wrong.

I agree with the hypertime post, actually! I think he can travel through time, teleport, but stopping time is quite a feat -- for all the reasons you described (being on the edge of the zone, area of effect, etc) there's too much oddness to account for. hypertime makes much more sense to me.

I extremely disagree with Beez's way of saying it... but I do agree with his version of Hiro's power. Time is everywhere, at the same speed. If 2 seconds pass by here, then 2 seconds pass by on Jupiter, too. If 2 hours passes by here, then 2 hours passes by on Jupiter, too (well, ok, the relation between speed and time kinda disagree with that, but not by much). Consequently, if 0 seconds passes by here, then 0 seconds passes by on Jupiter, too. I don't think that, at one point in the universe, an hour may pass while, at another point, 0 second will pass. Well, maybe when Hiro will control his skills more, but not for now.

And by the way, I think that traveling throught time is quite more an impressive power than stopping time!

I have a few ideas about Hiro's power, so I'll just throw them out there.

1. When Hiro freezes time, I think he speeds himself up relative to everything else and everything else remains normal. The other way around would be staggering to the imagination. Remember when he was trying to get the sword out of the museum and his powers were wonky? He ended up just moving faster than everyone else, but he was trying to freeze time.

2. I think Hiro has yet to find some applications of his power over space. Given what he's done, I don't think it would be a stretch for him to teleport objects directly into other objects. Like if he's holding his sword, he could just teleport his sword into someone's head, like Adam. That would be the best offensive ability around.

3. He could potentially control a person's aging. Probably couldn't de-age them, but he could speed them up or slow them down, maybe. This is the most speculative of his powers.

BTW, isn't it weird that Hiro is still working in a cubicle at Yamagato? I'm surprised he didn't inherit his Dad's shares in Yamagato, thus making him a director of the company. It's highly unrealistic and kinda comical that Hiro is still a lowly employee at this point.

I'm not sure if it quite works that way. Einstein proved quite a long time ago that time is relative and does NOT pass the same throughout the universe under certain conditions. Just think about whats involved in stopping time - I can't see Hiro affecting the entire universe. That would make him so powerful it isn't even a joke.

I still think Hiro passes into a higher dimension to do all his feats - time travel, 'stopping' time, teleportation.

If anyone has ever read the book "Flatland" - you know what I mean. In that book a 2D world is visited by a 3D being. The 2D beings can only move back and forth or left or right - not up or down. So when the 3D being moves - it moves up, then over and back down. So to the 2D beings - the 3D being seems to 'teleport' from one place to another - they don't see it actaully move since its movement is in a dimension they can't perceive. I think this is what Hiro does when teleporting.

As for stopping time - I think in Hiro's perception he's stopping time - since everything is frozen - but I think what he does is step into a time track where he can observe that moment in time as if it is frozen.

This is also how he time travels in my opinion. He is free to move in that higher dimension at will back and forth through the time track.

It doesn't matter how the time anywhere in the universe acts with Hiro's power, because only Hiro notices it, for the rest it's not like everything froze a second, it doesn't notice any of it. Time just continues to go on for everything else, except for people with Hiro's abilities.

lol, yeah, I mentionned this time trick Einsten said. The thing is, Time is relative to Speed. Hiro's power is not to run fast, it's to control the space/time continuum. I can understand the confusion such a thing can create (after all, it's true that, when he gets the sword, it's as if he went faster in speed), but Hiro has no control into his moving speed, even thought it would have a similar effect as to stopping time, according to Einsten.

Moreover, I personnally think the oposite: That Hiro would seems too powerful if part of the universe were still running normally during a time freeze. To a bigger instant, he could choose that, when he freezes time, his allies (eg: Ando, for exemple) could still moves at "normal" speed. But if he stops the time in the whole universe, then he has no choice but being the only one moving... well, except those with the same powers as him! Or maybe those he touches...

Besides, even with relativity of time, mathematically, I'd say he stops time everywhere in the universe. Let's take an hypothetical situation: Hiro is in a Universe with 3 planets. The first one is called Fast, where time goes twice as fast as usual. The second planet is called Normal, and the time here is, well, normal! Finally, the last planet is named Slow, and time goes half the speed of the Normal planet. Exemple, when an hour passed on Normal, 2 passed on Fast and half an hour passed on Slow. When 2 seconds passed on Normal, 4 seconds passed on Fast and 1 second passed on slow. Thus, when 0 seconds passes on Normal, 0*2=0 seconds passes on Fast and 0/2=0 second passes on Slow. It's true, however, that I don't know what would happen with something going at the speed of light, since at this points, times stop, and 0/0 can't be calculated... But, hey, except for light itself, nothing goes as fast, and apparently, light defy Hiro's power, since he can still see after he stopped time. If light would stop, like everything else, then it wouldn't reach (or at least not correctly) Hiro's eye.

So in a way, you're right, there is something in the universe that still goes even when Hiro stops time: light. But except that, I'd say everything in the universe freezes.

Kinda nice to speak of scientifical ideas in a fictive story, really!

This is what I like - a discussion. If HEROES is trying to be based in real science, then I don't see any reason not to try and figure out how it might work. I like hearing all theories - good, bad, etc. I'm sure the writers probably haven't even worried about these things - but thats what we are for!

And as for Hiro seeing after stopping time - he also shouldn't be able to breathe as the air molecules are no longer in motion or going through any chemical reactions. (The only way I see around this is that as soon as the light or air are close enough to Hiro's body, time resumes for them).

By right's an invisible person should be blind so i guess we have to accept some 'magic' along with the science.

The next step of Hiro's power will be to reverse time, not just go back in time, but actually reverse it. Rewind time. I guess fast forward time too.

I'm wasn't saying that Hiro's ability is to run fast, and I don't think anyone else's comments were impying that. I was arguing that what we and Hiro perceive as a time stop may actually be time so slowed it is stopped for all intents and purposes. That's why his weakened powers gave him the appearance of moving faster. I didn't even mention running, just moving faster.




I think he's already done this to a limited degree. That is what appears to have happened when Hiro reversed that bullet last season. Reversed time in an extremely localized area.

I never said you said that, you know? It's just that you mentionned the Time relativity of Einsten, and I replied that the relativity is about Time vs Speed, and that Hiro doesn't control speed, but time. I know it sounds confusing: I'm confused myself just by saing that! Maybe we should call some experts physicians to explain everything!

As for "I was arguing that what we and Hiro perceive as a time stop may actually be time so slowed it is stopped for all intents and purposes.", well, it's true! Time is slowed so much it's at the speed of 0 second/second! lol The first second being Universe's Time, and the second second being Hiro's Time.

I think you have a misunderstanding of how Hiro's power works. Watching this series there was never any indication that Hiro's teleportation was the result of freezing time and simply walking to the place where he wanted to reappear from. Sure this happened on the occasions where we actually witnessed this (when Hiro saved the little girl from getting hit by the bus, saving D.L. and the injured motorist from the car explosion) and it certainly would've appeared to anyone watching that he teleported.

Still, from the very beginning, when Hiro teleported into the ladies room of the bar he and Ando were at, he appeared there just by thinking it, not by simply freezing time and then strolling on into the ladies room. At that point he hadn't even used his time stopping ability.

Hiro's teleportation works the same way as his time travel ability. He can control time and space and hence can avoid all the physical requirements to get from point A to point B. Otherwise he literally would've had to physically travel from Japan to America which probably would've taken him a lot longer than six weeks on foot.

As the previous poster stated Hiro rewound time in season one with the bullet scene as well as making the hand on the clock go backwards 1 second. It definately would be interesting to see Hiro's powers expand though, but I'm not sure exactly how they would.

At this point we know that Hiro can teleport, freeze time, travel backwards and forwards in time to any desired location, slow down time, and reverse time (did I forget anything?)

I guess he hasn't shown the ability to speed up time...so there's always room for that.

Exactly. This is why Adam didn't notice when Peter Timejumped to see himself getting arrested with Caitlyn 1 year in the future. He jumped back afterwards to the same exact moment he left, without any observable change to Adam, who was talking to him.

It really doesn't matter if Hiro/Peter can stop time for the whole universe. For everything else, time has not really stopped. Any "virtual time" that passes while "real time" is stopped only affects Hiro or Peter. When "real time" is restarted, there is no observable effect for anything else, life would just go on as usual. It's not like they are actually cancelling the movement or energy of anything in the universe, just pausing it. I'm glad Hiro's getting so adept at using his powers.

Does anyone think he took the sword back from Adam?

try not to think of hiro as "stopping" time so much as he is using his power to move through it at whatever speed he wants. everything moves through time at the same speed (mostly), but for hiro, he can will himself into passing through it so slowly that it is halted. he's not stopping time, only HIS passage through it. feel me?

This is debatable in my opinion because I don't believe Peter did a traditional time jump there. There has never been an episode prior to this where Hiro or Peter time travelled to the exact same spot at the exact same moment so that it appeared as if they never left at all. Time Jumping has always been noticeable to those around the time traveler on this show.

No, the sequence seemed dreamlike and there wasn't an explanation as to why Peter would not have been seen while he was there. Sure one can easily say he time jumped and was invisible which he would've had to have done subconciously as there really wouldn't have been a reason for him to be invisible.

I believe something different happened in that episode, something touched upon in the Season One Finale when Peter encountered Charles Deveaux in the past. Peter asked if he was dreaming or if it was time travel and Charles only asked in return if it really mattered. I believe Charles possessed some kind of dreaming ability that allowed him to go to any place or time, perhaps some sort of astral projection ability that Peter now has and he was exhibiting the power in that episode.

In order to Stop/Trave/Teleport, You need to be able to Bend Space and Time. With these capabilities, yes he should be able to teleport while time has been stopped. He was just bending space while he already has time stopped.

Its easier to think of when you simplify the 4 dimensional space we can visualize, hight, depth, width, and time. remove time since its stopped, then simplify space to two dimensions, say a piece of paper.

Put say a penny on one spot, fold the paper to where you want the penny now.

Thats a very very simplified explanation of how his power works. However if you want to think how impossible it is. Imagine taking every single particle in the universe and stopping it, then folding the universe in half then back again.

Unless there is higher dimensional space that weaves in and out of the three dimensional space that he can pass thought which can be explained in M-Theory.


Simply stated, you cant read into it to much. Its Sci-Fiction.

That's more or less what I was getting at. Hiro is the one who is actually being affected by his power, not everything else.

He is not really stopping time. He is moving in a higher speed relative to time so in his perception, everything appears to be frozen.

I'm still thinking thats some pretty damn good DNA he got!

Although Peter still has it better - he can get all the powers he wants by just standing near someone with powers. (Don't even get me started on how I think THAT works!)

Hiro's speed has nothing to do with it. He's stopping time

What happens to the air molecules around him when he stops time or enters hypertime? When he stops time, shouldn't he feel some resistance moving against air molecules... and in hyper time would waving his hand cause a wind effect? I don't have an answer, but I'm interested in other's opinion...

Do you know what "speed" is? It's nothing more or less than "change in distance" divided by "change in time". When Hiro slows time, he's reducing the "change in time" portion of that equation, while keeping the "change in distance" part constant. Therefore, he's changing his speed. In Hiro's case, changing his speed and changing time are IDENTICAL. It doesn't matter if HE'S going faster or if the universe is going slower--the end result is EXACTLY the same phenomenon. That is because "time" and "speed" are related by the above equation: speed is DEFINED in terms of time and space, both of which Hiro seems to have control over. Though actually, the reverse can just as well be the case. If Hiro had unlimited control over his speed, say, where he could reduce the "change in time" portion of the equation to 0, that gives him the exact same set of abilities, because of the mathematical paradox of "dividing by zero"--he can be everywhere in the universe at once, even! That's the relativistic paradox of moving at the speed of light.

So it makes no sense to ask if Hiro is capable of manipulating his own speed, or the speed of the universe around him, because they add up to being one in the same.

However, his teleportation is a different thing all together, and seems to operate on a different level. I'll take that one up later.

If we wants to expand his ability dude needs to start wearing a helmet

It is true that Hiro can "teleport" from one area to another, although I always viewed his teleportation as a form of time travel (not just here backwards or forwards, but anywhere you would like to go).
Hence his movement from Japan to New York just by looking at the travel ad and thinking about it.
More of a sub-conscious reflex of putting himself into the right spot at the right time.

However, I had always mentally made a differentiation between the teleportation and his actually stopping time (or slowing it to a crawl, however you want to view it).
Normally he has to concentrate and make his funny face to use his powers, but in this episode it seemed almost like an instinctive reflex. Nods his head blinking and *BOOM* he's gone.
Also notice that in previous episodes, it has taken a lot of his concentration to use his powers (whether teleporting, etc.) and iirc I don't believe we saw him use multiple instances of this at the same time.
Yet, here we see him teleport while he keeps time is "frozen".
His control of his powers has undeniably grown, and I would think that his ability to teleport while time is "frozen" is certainly an expansion of his power.
Certainly it should make him nigh invincible (well, unless Peter is there...)

Peter teleports Hiro and Ando back to Las Vegas while time is stopped in 5 Years Gone.  If he can learn to do this I imagine Hiro will be able to as well.

If you want to get picky about it the writers said he could BEND time and space, not stop it. I see it like the Quantum Leap theory always used to be. If the timeline is a piece of string it can be screwed up (bent) so that any point can touch any other point. when he stops time it's the same point of time touching the same point in time. This may or may not be how the writers see it or intend to protray it, but that's how I want to see it. Till they delve further into it.


I thought perhaps he had already done that. There wasn't room for him and Adam in that casket, so he must've teleported him inside it independantly.

Hiro was so dark at the end though, wasn't he? This better not make him a Villain!

That's what made me think of it.

If Hiro slightly slowed time around him, it would appear that he had super speed.

Half true! Everything you said is mathematically true, but the conclusion (Hiro's power being the motification of speed or modification of time is basically the same thing) isn't right! One is simply the consequence of the other. If he bend time, yes, he'll seem to run faster, but that's just a consequence of his time bending. If he runs fast, yes, time will slow down, but it's a consequence of his speed.

One other exemple would be, let's say, Telekinesis. Being able to move people with only their mind, and with the fact that the telekinetist is a person, he should be able to fly by moving his own body with telekinesy. In such exemple, flying is simply a consequence of the use of telekinesis, but his power is not to fly, but to move stuff. Same here: Hire can slow/stop time and, as such, move faster, but it's a consequence of his power, nothing else. It's his "flying by using telekinesis" power.

This is somewhat off topic, and I'm not saying that Hiro doesn't freeze time. However, if Hiro froze time, wouldn't light also not move, so he wouldn't be able to actually see anything unless he kept moving and ran into the light particles that are frozen in time? I just thought this was an interesting point, and a logical fallacy with stopping time in general, while I still believe that Hiro does stop time.

hiro's power is just a load of crap. his teleportation is down to him being able to bend space... yet he can do this on earth... without managing to destroy the earth... and even i cannot work out the maths on that one.

Is there no chance of a little microsingularity between friends? (and a large magnetic loop to keep it in).

Funny!

LOL. i suppose quinto is set to play a vulcan so you may be onto something there.

but a microsingularity would most likely crush hiro (hopefully)

amolion you need to think of spacetime as a fabric not a big ball of rock. He is not folding the earth just the spacetaime around it. I dont know if anyone has said this but Hiro can reverse time he did it in Vegas when Hope is about to shoot him and Ando. You see a bullet come out of the gun then go back in as men tackled Hope. So i think the Question is will Hiro be able to stop\reverse\speed up time around objects leaving eveything else moving as normal

I really don't think it's a good idea to get too into the mechanism of Hiro's power...we're dealing with something totally fictional and the writers can dictate the rules however they want as long as they remain logically consistent within their own universe.

That said, while time exists [mostly] everywhere, it is not absolute. It entirely depends on the perception of the person/object experiencing it (think Einstein). So, let's say Hiro stops time. It's stopped for everyone else, but not for him. But is time everywhere halted, or just in Hiro's immediate vicinity? As we've seen with the reversing of the bullet scenario, he can control independent areas of space-time. But given the fact that variables such as gravity also affect the passage of time, things get a little bit wonky if you believe Hiro stops the entire universe. Maybe.



This is actually a great way to think about it, if you ask me. It would clear a lot of the complicated bits up while still allowing him to control time.

I already answered that part with my "3-planets" analogy. I can't find it, so I'll just say it again. Say the Unverse has 3 specials planets. One named Normal, on which lives Hiro, where time goes, well, normal. One named Fast, where times goes twice as fast as normal. Finally, one named Slow, where time goes half as normal as usually. Those 3 planets represents the relativity of time.

So, when an hour passes on Normal, 2 hours passed on Fast, and half an hour passed on Slow. When 2 seconds passed on Normal, 4 passed on Fast and only one on Slow. So, if 0 second passes on Normal (thanks to Hiro's power to stop time), 2*0=0 second passes on Fast, and 0/2=0 seconds pass on slow. The only exception with this rule would be with light, since, for light, time is also stopped, and 0/0 can't be calculated. This may explain why Hiro can see! As for the one who asked how he can breath, well, even if the molecules can't move, they are still there. And Hiro can still move, and can move objects around him. By applying a force on air (throught inhalation), I'd say oxygen moves, throughout Hiro's influence. Kinda like when he throws the card at the poker game: the cards moves a little, then stop, because Hiro applied a force on the cards.

I used this analogy to demonstrate that, even if time is relative in the universe, it doesn't mean that Hiro can't have an influence on it, in the entire universe.

before i get into a debate about this, what are your qualifications in the fields of astrophysics, subatomic particle physics and theoretical quantum physics... as i am tired of having to explain the basics to people.

...the basic? Funny!