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deth moad ue
I'm not sure how Japanese graveyards work -- so forgive me if this is an easy question asked out of ignorance..


But did Hiro put Adam in the casket with his father? Or into a waiting plot?
Kelian
QUOTE (deth moad ue @ Dec 4 2007, 08:15 AM) *
I'm not sure how Japanese graveyards work -- so forgive me if this is an easy question asked out of ignorance..
But did Hiro put Adam in the casket with his father? Or into a waiting plot?


It might be a casket that was used a longer time ago - Adam could be laying on some bones. Caskets are pretty tight in space so I think it would be a stretch to say it is a casket that was freshly used (wouldn't Hiro have had to be in there too, albeit briefly, when he teleported Adam?). I'm tempted to say maybe it was Hiro's mother's casket - but it just seems uncharacteristically disrespectful for him to desecrate either parent's grave.

Edit: I just thought that perhaps Adam isn't in a casket, but in the vault above the casket. That would make the most sense to me, but I'll watch more closely later to see if it is concrete or fabric/wood above Adam's head.
Demonight
well it definitely looked like he went into the past (during his mom's funeral) and buried adam in an unused lot...maybe it's something he remembered seeing as a child
Ion
QUOTE (Kelian @ Dec 4 2007, 05:21 AM) *
It might be a casket that was used a longer time ago - Adam could be laying on some bones. Caskets are pretty tight in space so I think it would be a stretch to say it is a casket that was freshly used (wouldn't Hiro have had to be in there too, albeit briefly, when he teleported Adam?). I'm tempted to say maybe it was Hiro's mother's casket - but it just seems uncharacteristically disrespectful for him to desecrate either parent's grave.


I was distracted by the dog at that point in the show, and I saw that Adam was inside a casket, but I was thinking that maybe he buried Adam UNDER his father's casket. It seemed that as the shot pulled back it was showing the day of Kaito's funeral. Maybe Hiro knew the hole would be there and teleported Adam in before they buried Kaito. I think it would be quite a perverbial smack in the face to bury someone alive, underneath the casket of the person they killed.
boonskank
either way, Hiro is really becoming quite the bad donkey.
Renrut
QUOTE (Kelian @ Dec 4 2007, 07:21 AM) *
It might be a casket that was used a longer time ago - Adam could be laying on some bones. Caskets are pretty tight in space so I think it would be a stretch to say it is a casket that was freshly used (wouldn't Hiro have had to be in there too, albeit briefly, when he teleported Adam?). I'm tempted to say maybe it was Hiro's mother's casket - but it just seems uncharacteristically disrespectful for him to desecrate either parent's grave.
I posted this somewhere else. It looked like the Nakamura family plot and it was a recently dug grave because of the fresh dirt. He wouldn't have dug the grave himself. Do you think he put him in his father's grave and removed Kaito? It appears that way.
Kelian
QUOTE (Renrut @ Dec 4 2007, 08:28 AM) *
I posted this somewhere else. It looked like the Nakamura family plot and it was a recently dug grave because of the fresh dirt. He wouldn't have dug the grave himself. Do you think he put him in his father's grave and removed Kaito? It appears that way.


I watched it again today on my computer and it was much easier to see (my TV is a tad dark). He's definitely in a blue casket/ white interior. There didn't appear to be any remains with him either. Odd.
Jisei
QUOTE (Renrut @ Dec 4 2007, 10:28 PM) *
I posted this somewhere else. It looked like the Nakamura family plot and it was a recently dug grave because of the fresh dirt.

It looked like the same cemetary, but there was no Nakamura stone in sight (Tanaka 田中, Arai 荒井 and one other one was something like Kikuchi 菊池 were shown as the camera panned by). Also, most Japanese families cremate the deceased, so it was a little weird that Kaito, who seemed to be a traditionalist at heart, would opt for burial. Mind you, if the Nakamuras are as rich as it was implied, they could probably afford the land.
DukeXL
2 thing i am wondering about this:

1. Adam can heal/ regenerate... but wouldnt he stillneed food to survive? also oxygen to remain conscouios.

2. don't they eventually dig up old caskets to make room for new ones? meaning that eventually Adam will be released?
RedWolf
2. Not really.

Likely it's the Nakamura family plot thus they own it.

On whole cremation thing Kaito is rich and would have a good afterlife plan.

While it's true that cemetaries in Japan are congested and buying a plot is like buying land in Tokyo, it is not a problem for Kaito's family.
Renrut
I want to know if Hiro took Adam back in time to his father's funeral day. If you look at the pictures I put below you'll see that there is a service going on in the same location as Kaito funeral and Hiro's mother's funeral.

This one is from Kaito's funeral:

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This one is when Adam is screaming from the grave:

Click to view attachment
Revengeance
How could Hiro have teleported himself with Adam into a pre-buried, empty casket which is too small for both of them to fit into together? Since they teleported upright, I think Hiro just shoved Adam into an empty grave and froze time to bury him. But I still don't get why an empty casket would just be waiting there...

There are a few other graves around Adam's when the camera pans overhead, so I don't think he's buried next to Hiro's parents. Just nearby. It's clearly the day one of them was also buried, though (probably Kaito). Also, there's a fairly thick slab of concrete on top of Adam's casket... I don't think he's going to be punching his way out of there any time soon!

As to who would try to dig him out... I can imagine Mr. Muggles clawing at the dirt with dramatic music. Dun-dun-dun! laugh.gif
spiderfrommars
Well I think that being a freshly buried casket, hiro must have found some way to knock adam out or something while he replaced the body with adam.

Unless of course he did replace kaito and somehow kaito is still alive... i guess that's a theory that's going around.
HeroJoe420
QUOTE (DukeXL @ Dec 9 2007, 09:03 PM) *
2 thing i am wondering about this:

1. Adam can heal/ regenerate... but wouldnt he stillneed food to survive? also oxygen to remain conscouios.

2. don't they eventually dig up old caskets to make room for new ones? meaning that eventually Adam will be released?



Yeah I was wonderin if he would starve...
Revengeance
QUOTE (HeroJoe420 @ Dec 10 2007, 05:10 PM) *
Yeah I was wonderin if he would starve...
I wouldn't think so. People eat to survive and as Angela put it, Adam's body constantly regenerates or something. Which probably eliminates the need to do anything normally required to continue living.
dxgarten
Kaito's casket from the look of things.
Quinten
QUOTE (dxgarten @ Dec 10 2007, 01:33 AM) *
Kaito's casket from the look of things.


I had assumed it was Kaito's casket as well, but I guess there isn't anyway to really know for sure, and it would be a bit disrespectful to bury a killer with his victim.

Was anyone else hoping to see a cockroach crawling up onto Adam's face? I think that would have been perfect.
spiderfrommars
he wouldn't need to eat or breathe. Any damage would instantly be healed.
spiderfrommars
I just re-watched the scene and it doesn't pan out enough to show you exactly what grave it was in, only the shot after it even lets you know that it was the nakamura family plot. I'm definitely thinking that he's in kaito's place, and that maybe, just maybe kaito's alive.
DukeXL
maybe hiro buried him in his grave (hiro's future grave site)...
Revengeance
QUOTE (spiderfrommars @ Dec 11 2007, 09:06 AM) *
I just re-watched the scene and it doesn't pan out enough to show you exactly what grave it was in, only the shot after it even lets you know that it was the nakamura family plot. I'm definitely thinking that he's in kaito's place, and that maybe, just maybe kaito's alive.
1990:


2007:


2007, Adam's grave:


He's obviously buried among the graves in the foreground when the camera pans across to show Kaito's funeral in the background. I guess it was just a little personal justice for Hiro to bury him at the same time Kaito was.
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