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darkcervantes
Just think Kill Bill Volume 2. She busted out of the coffin and isn't even immortal. He can pound the heck out of that coffin, even if it takes a whole year, his hand will just keep breaking and re-healing

and he gets out of there, man is he gonna be P.O'd

Trapped in a coffin is way worse than death, Hiro juts made himself an even worse enemy. We haven't seen the last of Takezo Kensei! (unless Sylar gets to him first)
activatingevo1
Ohhh I am with you brother! Its gonna be, in the words of HRG, "a throwdown" when he gets back.. gloves are off and he is gonna get himself a "carp" fillet.

Our good guy Hiro do know how to make enemies, don't he... Sylar and now Adam... gee Hiro, get Ando and just hide somewhere LOL
prander
I'd say that it depends on what happens when he runs out of oxygen. I mean, we've seen Claire and Peter's bodies "shut down" when they had foreign objects lodged into their brains and their bodies only "rebooted" when those objects were removed.

So what happens when his body is starved of oxygen, which will happen when locked up in a sealed and buried coffin? Will his body "shut down" and only "reboot" when it gets what it needs? If that's the case, he can only pound for so long before it "shuts down" and he'll be there permanently (unless he's somehow out of the coffin).
Quinten
QUOTE (prander @ Dec 4 2007, 11:44 AM) *
I'd say that it depends on what happens when he runs out of oxygen. I mean, we've seen Claire and Peter's bodies "shut down" when they had foreign objects lodged into their brains and their bodies only "rebooted" when those objects were removed.

So what happens when his body is starved of oxygen, which will happen when locked up in a sealed and buried coffin? Will his body "shut down" and only "reboot" when it gets what it needs? If that's the case, he can only pound for so long before it "shuts down" and he'll be there permanently (unless he's somehow out of the coffin).


Well here's a thought...we still don't know what Kaito's power is, and Adam, with his wonderful healing blood, is now sharing a coffin with him. Adam cuts himself, bleeds a bit onto Kaito's rotting corpe and Kaito is healed. Kaito then uses his power to somehow escape from the coffin, thus freeing Adam along with him. It could be possible...
enovak
QUOTE (Quinten @ Dec 4 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Well here's a thought...we still don't know what Kaito's power is, and Adam, with his wonderful healing blood, is now sharing a coffin with him. Adam cuts himself, bleeds a bit onto Kaito's rotting corpe and Kaito is healed. Kaito then uses his power to somehow escape from the coffin, thus freeing Adam along with him. It could be possible...


Didn't seem to me he had a roommate in there. Besdies, I think Hiro would have have more respect for his father then to dump the man who killed him, in with his body.
Quinten
QUOTE (enovak @ Dec 4 2007, 01:51 PM) *
Didn't seem to me he had a roommate in there. Besdies, I think Hiro would have have more respect for his father then to dump the man who killed him, in with his body.



From what I could tell, it was Kaito's grave site that he was in as they zoomed back out. I guess it is possible though that Hiro just picked some random other grave site in Japan to dump Adam in to.
philip098123
Hiro has already paid the price. Look at what he's done. So villianous. He no longer has any honor anymore. Hiro's has become a monster.
FilmRonin
QUOTE (darkcervantes @ Dec 4 2007, 12:01 PM) *
Just think Kill Bill Volume 2. She busted out of the coffin and isn't even immortal. He can pound the heck out of that coffin, even if it takes a whole year, his hand will just keep breaking and re-healing

and he gets out of there, man is he gonna be P.O'd

Trapped in a coffin is way worse than death, Hiro juts made himself an even worse enemy. We haven't seen the last of Takezo Kensei! (unless Sylar gets to him first)


You have to look realllllllllly closely, but Hiro encased the coffin in cement, so even if he breaks out of it, that's gonna be a lot harder to get through. It's gonna take him decades and a lot of scraped, bloody fingernails.

I posted this before, but I thought it would have been cool to have Hiro behead him, have Bob turn the pieces into gold, then encase them in cement and have Hiro teleport the stuff 1,000 years into the future ... and into deep space.

That's how you get rid of an immortal man! wink.gif
enovak
QUOTE (FilmRonin @ Dec 4 2007, 06:09 PM) *
You have to look realllllllllly closely, but Hiro encased the coffin in cement, so even if he breaks out of it, that's gonna be a lot harder to get through. It's gonna take him decades and a lot of scraped, bloody fingernails.

I posted this before, but I thought it would have been cool to have Hiro behead him, have Bob turn the pieces into gold, then encase them in cement and have Hiro teleport the stuff 1,000 years into the future ... and into deep space.

That's how you get rid of an immortal man! wink.gif


When Hiro said to Ando: "He'll never hurt anyone again.". I somehow excpeted them to cut to Adam being chased by a T-Rex!

The worst thing you can do to an immortal man is imprison him. There's an old science fiction story about a man who makes a deal with the devil (or some creature) to be made immortal. And he is. However the man then ends up getting caught commiting murder and is sentenced to life imprisonment with no parole.
IGotSuperPowers
hahaha that is weird that was exactly what I was thinking last night before I even came on here. Adam can so dig his way out of there. It might take a while though...
Adam is going to be VERY mad though
CharlieNakamura
I really don't think Adam can dig his way out of there. I think coffins these days are usually encased in a metal or concrete vault before they are buried - and it looks like that's what they were trying to show us when the camera zoomed up though the ground.

My guess is someone will dig him up at some point, and yes he will be *****d off. Hiro should have cut his head off while he had the chance... but I'm sure the writers weren't ready to get rid of such a cool villain just yet.
invisifan
QUOTE (IGotSuperPowers @ Dec 4 2007, 06:38 PM) *
Adam can so dig his way out of there. It might take a while though...


I'm sure he wouldn't object to a little pain (okay a lot) and momentarily breaking a few bones to get out, but the suffocating & starving & dehydrating to death repeatedly will probably slow him down a lot...

QUOTE (IGotSuperPowers @ Dec 4 2007, 06:38 PM) *
Adam is going to be VERY mad though



And not just in the angry sense ... no light, no sound, no heat, no room to move ... not total sensory deprivation -- there's pain & the feel of his body eating away at itself -- and how long before it feels like forever, even for an immortal ...
IGotSuperPowers
QUOTE (invisifan @ Dec 4 2007, 08:04 PM) *
I'm sure he wouldn't object to a little pain (okay a lot) and momentarily breaking a few bones to get out, but the suffocating & starving & dehydrating to death repeatedly will probably slow him down a lot...




And not just in the angry sense ... no light, no sound, no heat, no room to move ... not total sensory deprivation -- there's pain & the feel of his body eating away at itself -- and how long before it feels like forever, even for an immortal ...



He'll be mad AND mad! laugh.gif
And yes it would hurt, and it would take along time, but Adam could get out of there...eventually...
sickotriz
Heck, with the way things stand some third party could get Adam out. If there are still Adam followers out there, they could find someone with Molly Walker's power and use it to find him, and dig him up. Or, someone who has knowledge of Adam and wants his blood. What if Sylar learns about Adam, realizes that would be a great power to have, and then dedicates himself to finding Molly, stealing her power, and then getting to Adam.

Hiro should have dropped him in an acid bath... or somewhere in the future (even though he could potentially end up befriending a time traveler and/or someone builds a time machine).
Larkin
surely if adam can heal any wound, then he wont need water/food/oxygen as he will just heal when he starts to suffocate, or something like that. same with the water and food *brain says* "your hungry" *healing bit comes in* "mmm that was tasty food wasnt it tummy"
ruppan
I really hope that Adam doesn't loose his humor and wit when he returns. He was such a refreshing alternative to Sylar.

I think it would be cool if Adam looked at his stay in the coffin as a little bump in the road. His time in the coffin will be a drop in the bucket even compared to his stay in Company's prison. It would be funny if he confronted Hiro again in the future, talked about all the c**p Hiro has put him through, laughed about it, and then said, "Sorry Carp, gonna have to kill you anyway..."

Also, there's no reason for Hiro to be afraid of Adam. Hiro owns Adam. Adam can't do anything against Hiro's power and Hiro is a better swordsman (presumably unless Adam got better in the interim).
-DeMoN-
Adam will escape. When he does he will be the ultimate villian. Mad at humanity, no more virus, and buried for a long time. But I don't think he will escape, someone will come looking for him. Probobly using Molly.
maus
Oooo I really hope that Adam manages to escape. David Anders is such a ggod villain (Sark, Alias) and Adam just hasn't finished his role on Heroes. There are so many more things that could be done with his character and he's the key to finding out about the original 12...

On how he'll escape, I have a feeling he must know someone who would be able to help him. Even if he was locked up for 30 years... When Angela was telling Nathan and Matt about him she seemed to have some sympathy for him. Its not too much of a strecth to think that someone else would.
elargento
volume 3: villains, that's goto to mean that the story will focus on sylar , adam and maybe somebody else.
enovak
QUOTE (Larkin @ Dec 5 2007, 11:47 AM) *
surely if adam can heal any wound, then he wont need water/food/oxygen as he will just heal when he starts to suffocate, or something like that. same with the water and food *brain says* "your hungry" *healing bit comes in* "mmm that was tasty food wasnt it tummy"


No. The brain and body need oxygen. They need nutrituion to operate. Healing just repairs cell damage. Unless they say otherwise Claire or Adam can't make oxygen or nutrients out of nothing.
Sooner or later his body will run out of nutrients and he can't get any down there. The oxygen will run out and he will not be able to breathe. Now what could happen is he dies, regenerates, dies from lack of oxygen, regenerates, etc. But after a long time without oxygen - the brain will die.

Drop Claire on the moon and see what happens.
invisifan
QUOTE (enovak @ Dec 5 2007, 04:29 PM) *
No. The brain and body need oxygen. They need nutrituion to operate. Healing just repairs cell damage. Unless they say otherwise Claire or Adam can't make oxygen or nutrients out of nothing.
Sooner or later his body will run out of nutrients and he can't get any down there. The oxygen will run out and he will not be able to breathe. Now what could happen is he dies, regenerates, dies from lack of oxygen, regenerates, etc. But after a long time without oxygen - the brain will die.


As far a food goes, as with normal malnutrition his body would start to consume itself... He would most likely be rather skeletal on coming out -- if he had enough oxygen to actually stay alive long enough for that to happen... Even if the coffin isn't air-tight he won't have enough to stay conscious long or metabolize much of his body mass so he'll probably go into "stick-in-the-brain" mode until he gets dug up.
enovak
QUOTE (invisifan @ Dec 6 2007, 06:37 AM) *
As far a food goes, as with normal malnutrition his body would start to consume itself... He would most likely be rather skeletal on coming out -- if he had enough oxygen to actually stay alive long enough for that to happen... Even if the coffin isn't air-tight he won't have enough to stay conscious long or metabolize much of his body mass so he'll probably go into "stick-in-the-brain" mode until he gets dug up.


Well then the question is how long can a regens body last if its 'dead'?

If they never removed the stick from Claire's brain, would her cells eventually have decayed and die since they were no longer healing? Or the glass from Peter's head.

Say Adam is trapped in there for 500 years and he got dug up - would his body regenerate? By then I would imagine his body would have decayed, the brain would have been dead for hundreds of years.

I'm guessing if the brain is destroyed enough (head shot) , the regen can't function.
LightMeDark
Regardless of what else happens, I really hope Adam makes it out by any means...he's become one of my favorite characters.
DLong
He will eventually die in time. Body needs energy to heal or to do anything in that matter, no air+food=no heal.
I am sure there is a point of no return as far as when the body can heal itself after being stabbed in the head like Claire and Peter had been done to them, eventually it will be too late and the brain is done. Remember what Papa Suresh said, if the body had a soul it would be in the brain, and eventually lack of oxygen and blood flow will lead to body falling apart.
Sylar wants to be able to heal, like Claire, but now since Adam is around, or was around, I think it would be awesome for Adam and Sylar to duke it out for a while. Adams single power, but smarts and experience vs Sylars cockroach ways.
Meantime Peter finally learns how to use his Powers, and actually starts kickin some butt against the company for shooting his brother. (ie opening Pandora's Box)
dcg
I think someone will hear him yelling and it will just be a matter of a few hours before he is out.
spicet
QUOTE (dcg @ Dec 7 2007, 07:30 AM) *
I think someone will hear him yelling and it will just be a matter of a few hours before he is out.



My exact thoughts. I'm sure the villian with "super hearing" wont mind digging a bit to aquire Adams power.
themightytruk
QUOTE (DLong @ Dec 6 2007, 08:53 PM) *
He will eventually die in time. Body needs energy to heal or to do anything in that matter, no air+food=no heal.
I am sure there is a point of no return as far as when the body can heal itself after being stabbed in the head like Claire and Peter had been done to them, eventually it will be too late and the brain is done. Remember what Papa Suresh said, if the body had a soul it would be in the brain, and eventually lack of oxygen and blood flow will lead to body falling apart.

I doubt the writer's have really thought out the science of the regeneration power. Already, it's hard to understand where all the energy to regenerate to the degree shown has come from. I'm guessing that the regeneration power will be able to work without a fuel source despite how little sense that makes. Maybe somehow the energy gets pulled from another dimension we can't see?
ASHPD
Adam Monroe will survive and escape this madness. He'll return and I am worried that Sylar may take his ability away from him.
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