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FINGER
If Peter's blood can heal Nathan, that means Peter's blood has a lot of stuff going on it.

So wouldn't Nathan just get all of his abilities?

I could see the Mother and the Company keeping claire out of reach so they couldn't get more of her blood (didn't seem like there was much and Sylar took the rest)

I like Nathan a lot. But I think the stories could get a lot stronger from a death that powerful. Take a note from Joss Whedon, everyone can't have a happy ending
lillaluv
QUOTE (FINGER @ Dec 5 2007, 07:40 AM) *
I like Nathan a lot. But I think the stories could get a lot stronger from a death that powerful. Take a note from Joss Whedon, everyone can't have a happy ending


I'm a huge fan of both Nathan and Joss Whedon, but I just have to point out that your logic is not earth logic.

Sure, Joss killed off a lot of people, Jesse, Jenny, Kendra, Angel, Joyce, Buffy, Tara, Anya, Spike.

BUT...by the same token: notice those from the list that were show carrying main characters? Angel, Buffy, Spike?

He brought all of them back.

By the same token, if we're taking a note from Joss Whedon, then Kring is going to find a way to bring Nathan back because he's a show carrier?

Just so we're clear?
Raekon
In my opinion, I don't think that Peters Blood can ressurect anyone.

The reason for that is that he is not the main host of the ability like Claire and Adam, he just mimics this ability when needed. So his blood is not like the main hosts nor are his cells.
EdensDemise
My guess is that they aren't going to bring Nathan back. I wish they would.

My prediction is that Peter absorbed the virus and that while it doesn't affect him, his blood in someone else would kill them. That's my guess about how they will get around that.
Neuromancer
Peter's blood seems unlikely but I can see volume 3 opening with Peter trying to save him. Adam is out of the picture and Claire will not get anywhere near him now, thanks to the deal with Bob and they very public execution.

As for the Buffy deaths I think you could compare these two to the like of Tara and Joyce. Peter has lost the most important person in his life and this will no doubt motivate his actions in the next volume, revenge of some kind I'd guess, probably no flaying though wink.gif Micah now has to deal with the loss of both of his parents, hopefully the other heroes will help him out because I can imagine that messing a kid of his age up a bit.
nodame
If Peter can expand his mind-reading ability just like Parkman, then it means he has the full ability of each character whose ability he absorbs. This include healing blood.

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I like Nathan a lot. But I think the stories could get a lot stronger from a death that powerful. Take a note from Joss Whedon, everyone can't have a happy ending
LOL, sure. Buffy? Xander? Willow? Angel? Spike? They all survive all 7 seasons.

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As for the Buffy deaths I think you could compare these two to the like of Tara and Joyce.


Tara and Joyce are supporting characters. Nathan and Niki are main characters. Big difference. Tara died in season 6 even though she appeared in season 4. Joyce doesn't die until season 5 even though she appeared in season 1. BTVS knows to develop their characters first and foremost before killing them. The only exceptions are the recurring characters just like Alejandro, et all here.
enovak
QUOTE (nodame @ Dec 5 2007, 09:50 AM) *
If Peter can expand his mind-reading ability just like Parkman, then it means he has the full ability of each character whose ability he absorbs. This include healing blood.


If Peter's copied powers are always active then his blood should work. If he has to think about or concentrate on a particular power to use it, then the blood wouldn't do anything.
And then if his blood has all the powers running through it, then would someone injected with his blood get all his powers, even for a limited time?

Talk about a pandora's box..
Arum
lol happy endings are obsolet, this show is more realistic, people have powers and the use them, tghats the idea, i think in s03 peter will take nathans body to revive it, but angela will say summing like "If you do it youll cause a mass hysteria, he was killed on live tv, now if he shows huimself alive.." but peter wont listen, and the company will take nathan's body (maybe alive)

i think peter will try, at least that.
Vicious
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If Peter's copied powers are always active then his blood should work. If he has to think about or concentrate on a particular power to use it, then the blood wouldn't do anything.
Peter didn't even concentrate on anything when he suddenly healed from his wound after being beaten up by the Irish gang, remember?

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this show is more realistic, people have powers and the use them


There's nothing realistic about this show. It's a show where a man can phase the wall, a woman can transfer her consciousness into the net. If you can do that, then I'd admit and say that this show is realistic. This is a show which claims that Claire's and Adam's regeneration actually stops them from getting old when the fact is anyone who knows their science are aware that excessive cell-replication actually causes cancer and tumors.
FINGER
QUOTE (lillaluv @ Dec 5 2007, 08:50 AM) *
I'm a huge fan of both Nathan and Joss Whedon, but I just have to point out that your logic is not earth logic.

Sure, Joss killed off a lot of people, Jesse, Jenny, Kendra, Angel, Joyce, Buffy, Tara, Anya, Spike.

BUT...by the same token: notice those from the list that were show carrying main characters? Angel, Buffy, Spike?

He brought all of them back.

By the same token, if we're taking a note from Joss Whedon, then Kring is going to find a way to bring Nathan back because he's a show carrier?

Just so we're clear?



i hear ya, BUT
Shows already got enough characters carrying the show, and more to come.

Nathan was a "crutch" for Peter to always go crying too. Notice in every version they've shown of the future Nathan is dead? it was meant to happen, so now maybe Peter will grow a pair

LEAVE NATHAN DEAD!

Remove Peter's crutch so he can be real!
AnAspirin
They have kind of written themselves into a wall. It would be much more emotional and effective, in terms of the story, if Nathan were to stay dead. But it isn't even a question of whether they have the balls to do it. Because if they do, then people will say, well, why is he still dead when not only his daughter, but possibly his brother have the ability to revive him? How can any death in the show have the same impoact when they have such an easy way of reviving them? Death in fiction always works best when it is absolutely irrefutable (just look at Harry Potter, which never caved in in this department). It should transend any other magical element of the show. Which in this case, it doesn't.
FINGER
QUOTE (AnAspirin @ Dec 5 2007, 12:24 PM) *
They have kind of written themselves into a wall. It would be much more emotional and effective, in terms of the story, if Nathan were to stay dead. But it isn't even a question of whether they have the balls to do it. Because if they do, then people will say, well, why is he still dead when not only his daughter, but possibly his brother have the ability to revive him? How can any death in the show have the same impoact when they have such an easy way of reviving them? Death in fiction always works best when it is absolutely irrefutable (just look at Harry Potter, which never caved in in this department). It should transend any other magical element of the show. Which in this case, it doesn't.



there is Claire.
But the company issued the hit on Nathan.
So something tells me, if Peter goes looking for her it won't be easy
elargento
imo angelas has healing ability. and she gives nathan her blood.
FINGER
QUOTE (elargento @ Dec 5 2007, 03:13 PM) *
imo angelas has healing ability. and she gives nathan her blood.



didn't she put out a hit on nathan? or at least okay'd it?
Desunoto
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But the company issued the hit on Nathan.


The only way this story will make any kind of sense is for Nathan to actually live. See, if the intention of the company is to stop Nathan, Peter, and Matt from revealing the identity of the company/special people (as suggested by the video camera blinking in the safe at Primatech), killing Nathan won't achieve their goal.

If anything killing Nathan will motivate Peter to reveal that he has bucketload of superpower and since he's hard to kill, the company will just be in one big trouble. On top of revenge, there's little they can do to stop Peter from revealing the truth to the public. However, by injuring Nathan but not outright killing him, they have the perfect blackmail for Peter.

Sure Nathan survives but if Peter ever goes out with the secret, another assassin might be sent to finish the job for real. This perfectly achieves what the company want to do: shut Peter's and everyone's mouth for good. Especially Peter, who's the dangerous one here.
Vicious
QUOTE (Desunoto @ Dec 5 2007, 03:24 PM) *
The only way this story will make any kind of sense is for Nathan to actually live. See, if the intention of the company is to stop Nathan, Peter, and Matt from revealing the identity of the company/special people (as suggested by the video camera blinking in the safe at Primatech), killing Nathan won't achieve their goal.

If anything killing Nathan will motivate Peter to reveal that he has bucketload of superpower and since he's hard to kill, the company will just be in one big trouble. On top of revenge, there's little they can do to stop Peter from revealing the truth to the public. However, by injuring Nathan but not outright killing him, they have the perfect blackmail for Peter.

Sure Nathan survives but if Peter ever goes out with the secret, another assassin might be sent to finish the job for real. This perfectly achieves what the company want to do: shut Peter's and everyone's mouth for good. Especially Peter, who's the dangerous one here.


That's true, actually. The only way the company can shut Peter's mouth is to give him a 'carrot on a stick', promising that they won't go after Nathan again if he keeps his mouth shut.
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