Some of you may have noticed that this Peter character is .. well .. R E T A R D E D!

The writers have "painted themselves into a hole" ;-) with this character. He is so powerful that if he had an iota of intelligence the whole show/story would be over in 5 minutes. And so his stupidity is painfully annoying. And not in a good way.

The only way to save this show ... in my eyes ... is to have the character die. Not be disabled, and lose his powers. Not leave for some far away galaxy. Not to be buried alive in a coffin (what the hell?). Dead. Plain and simple. Dead. Gone. Kaput. Deceased. Pushing daisies. Taking a dirt nap. Swimming with the fishes. Not of this world. Dead. Dead. Dead.


Please, join my call. Ask the Writers (when they ever come back from their strike), to please

Many of us like Peter...

Not dead. Resting.

I actually agree, ( although I like Peter,) but how would you propose to do this?

Remember when DL was killed, and people claimed it was insignificant and he could have used his powers to prevent it.

There are almost no plausible circumstances that Peter can't use his power to get out of apart from getting shot in the head, which everyone would complain over.

Seriously, can anyone think of any villain which could possible challenge an intelligent Peter for over a minute?

I agree that he breaks the show, and the only way to keep him from being able to do absolutely anything he wants is to make him really stupid, which is frustrating.

Well ... see that's kind of the point! He should be impossible to kill. But then again there are a lot of things he should have done too. See all the comments that start with "why didn't Peter just ...?".

Hey, I like the character. I really do. But, he has to go. And it does make me sad, but it's true.

As to how, I don't care, and it doesn't matter. Because, as you say he is impossible to kill. However they kill him, it will be just as stupid as why he doesn't use his powers like any 4 year old would know how to use them! I say .. make him step on a rake and have it cause his head to instantly explode! It doesn't have to make sense really. Call it a "Chewbacca Death" (thanks Trey and Matt). :-)

Why not ask for better stories arcs and writing for Peter or any character for that matter before wishing them death...

As for Peter being TOO powerful, he can still be stopped with a decent amount of effort, shot, knocked out, tricked, burned, etc. etc. etc. and it's not like the other Heroes are super weak, Mat, Monica, Hiro, and or Niki could have been just as effective as Peter in most situations either solo or in conjucture with each other if THEY were written as intellegent/motivated...

Just because Peter can heal doesn't mean he can't be HURT and doesn't mean a smart villain can't use deciete, threats to innocent people, using loop-holes law for protection, etc. to actually defeat Peter or any of the Heroes. People seem to always think in terms of direct application of force against force when the best stories about Super-Heroes have a good mix of powers and intellegence/plot..

Peter should die, simply because he was going to kill Hiro. That would've sucked.

But really, I don't know. Somebody give him the Shanti Virus. Or bury him in a coffin. Or shoot him in the face. Or have him accidentally teleport himself to the year 778362896278 and not be able to get back. Something interesting.

He can die, lose his powers, or go off somewhere and be away from the main plot. I agree that him being around makes things ridiculous; his repertoire of powers is just absurd. Like I said in another thread, he has a very powerful ability, as such like any superhero he needs at least one good flaw (besides being stupid). Even Superman, who has like 50 different powers, can be taken down with kryptonite. And besides that, usually he has worthy adversaries.

I mean he can even phase, and he never even really met DL if I recall correctly. If that's true then Peter could possibly have hundreds of powers by now for every hero he casually passed by on the street.

Peter losing his powers over time, or losing his powers as he uses them would be good flaws to balance things out. It might be a bit too late in the game for them to suddenly tack that on, though.

I definitely like Peter as a character but that doesn't stop him from being a catalyst for plot holes.

You know a great way they could keep Peter around and not make him so overly-powerful?

Have something happen (within the story) that screws his powers up..like...he can keep one "Sponged" power, but once he comes into contact with someone else...BOOM..he's lost that power and has a new one.

Like...maybe he gets hit in the head and gets brain damage or something and that's the result? Or maybe the Haitian's powers go all screwy and the result is the above mentioned?

I'd much rather have something like that than outright killing him. He's a great character, and I don't think that should be sacrificed because people think he's too powerful.

Having the Peter characer die would be a better story arc!

If Peter had any kind of intelligence he would be able to fairly easily escape or avoid any damage anyone might be able to do. Plus, it has't been shown that cutting of the head, or a built in the brain acually would kill a "regen". Claire with the stick in her head; Kensei in the massive explosion in the tent.


But because of all of Peter's powers, and the ones he could have in the future ... if he had any sense there would be nothing anyone could do that he couldn't counter, or prevent! don't forget he has the Haitian's powers ! .. he has EVERYONE's Powers ! This is why this character is RIDICULOUS! And impossible to write for. No matter what you do, he is going to look dumb. There will always be a "why didn't he just ...?". And being stupid is no excuse, he can easily absord someone else's "super intelligence" power (or memory a la "the waitress in Texas" in season 1).

And don't forget he can always stop time and/or time travel! So ... what ever some ever does to him, he can always just go back in time and redo it! It's so SILLY!

Look, I like the characer. I do, really. But, he's impossible to write for! How can he do anything and it not come out being dumb !?! For the sake of the show, they need to remove him totally. Not partially. Do not de-power him. Do not limit his powers because of some bonk on the head (which wouldn't make sense since he can heal from such things - he regained/healed his memory). just have him die in some catastrophic event ... like ... a self-created thermonuclear explosion! ;-)

You know something funny...at the end of the very first episode of Heroes, when Peter jumps off of the building while Nathan is watching, I thought it would've been a perfect storyline if Peter had died from the fall right then and there. It would've been a great twist (it already was, finding out that Nathan was the one with the power), and having Peter die would've propelled Nathan to become a hero...or something more than he was. That, I think, would've been cool.

Secondly...way back early on in Season One, I had thought that one possibility was that Peter could only mimic those near him, not retain their abilities but feed off of them while they were nearby. This would have prevented him from becoming too powerful by accumulating so many abilities. "I'm not much by myself," he had said to Ando at the diner, or something to that effect. It made sense, and it created a dangerous tension for the character during Homecoming.

I don't know...it just feels like there were so many paths that they could've taken, but they chose the most complicated, least rewarding one.

Lex Luther fights superman and most of the time without Kryptonite, and I could make a huge list of other non-powered Villains that defeat or match wits with superheroes, but the point is just because you might not see how someone could defeat Peter doesn't mean it can't be done, just that you aren't very creative..

Even a smarter or "Smart" Peter can be stopped. I could think of ways to stop him without using a Villain with powers! He is still human, and because he's a Heroe, its not if he can win, just how he wins witch should matter to the viewers since the goodguys should win in the long run of any adventure... (Unless it is to further a bigger story...)

If there was a bad guy that couldn't be touched physically because of his legal position and therefore needed to be stopped by the collection of evidence as well as fighting multiple cronies around the city both with and without powers it would make Super-Peter's powers useless in a direct way and he'd have to figure out how to use other resources in conjuncture with his powers... Not to mention like I said, taking an innocent victim hostage can also be a good long term solution. If someone Peter loves is in the way of being harmed if he uses his power he'd be less effective against said person, and in order to call himself a "hereo" going into the past and stopping a person before they commit a crime is an unethical act and might be a cool solution as a last ditch effort in a story making Peter take some darkside points to quote starwars...

People are too concerned about how much power Peter has and not concerned enough with calling for better writing and stories... Don't let your short sighted views of what is "too" powerful make you have the writers get lazy and kill of a good character with a lot of potential... After all, I've read a few comics where Dr Doom defeated the Silver Surfer who is 1,000 times more powerful then Peter, and Dr. Dooms main power is to be Evil Mastermind and use a few gadgets that aren't even how he stopped the surfer multiple times...

Sounds like the op hates Peter as a character and just wants him dead which is a more respectible stance then kill him because nobody can stop him, witch isn't close to true if a decent writer used common sense...

Peter is fine the way he is. He should be a little more selfish and a little more ruthless. There was the beginning of a ruthless Peter at the bar when he was choking the irish dude. Peter should be like the next Adam.

See ... because he has the powers that he has, there is nothing he cannot stop. There is just no use trying to think of a logical situation that he couldn't get out of ... if given enough time, which he will always have since he can control space/time. Plus he has Mind Control, Power Nullification, Invisibility, flight, immoratality, super hearing, etc .. etc ... etc ...

I'd love to ignore it .. and I've tried ... really I have, but ... they just keep making him so dumb! He has all this power and he chooses to never use it in a logical way. Why didn't he phase through the vault door? why didn't he save Irish-girl? why didn't he use his blood to save his brother!?! Why didn't he read Adam's mind to figure what is gong on? It goes on and on and on. These are not unreasonable questions. And with the way they made no limitations to his powers there will continue to be many more of these "why didn't Peter just ...?" type questions. This is why they have to get rid of him. He is just a bad character; and not bad in a cool way either.

All things you mention are writing issues, not character issues... Of coarse he COULD be able to win any fight, any heroe should, but I did make a great example of both moral and commen since reasons on how a bad guy could stop him and that was with one second of thought... Besides, time travel seems like it will be toned down since I think Hiro is now understanding the damage that can be done if it isn't used as a last resort... I think Peter will probably focus now on going after Caitlan in the future once Nathan is ok and trying to track down who ordered the hit on his brother, and trying to find the hitman as well... Those things actually seem pretty interesting to me... I'll wait to see how Peter grows this season before I make a post about how he should die... 1 half of a season with questionable writing for all characters isn't a basis to killa character, especially one established since season 1..

I haven't read through this whole thread... But I agree with the OP up to a point.

I think it would have been a better story arc if Peter wanted access to strain 138 of the Shanti virus... in order to get rid of HIS OWN powers. Think about it - when he went nuclear, he nearly killed Nathan and most of New York City; only by Adam's help did Nathan not spend the rest of his life horribly disfigured. Much like Maya, I think there is every reason in the world for Peter to want to get rid of his own abilities.

The awful irony would have been - once Peter lost his powers, Adam could do whatever he wanted to spread the virus, and Peter wouldn't be able to stop him then.

See? It's possible to write a semi-intelligent, emotionally sound reason for Peter to do what he did. So I don't think it's necessary to kill the character. If anything, I think it's really lazy IF the writers just throw their hands up and go "We don't know what to do with this guy. Kill him." But I think they're better than that.

I'm glad someone brought this up. I like the character and I don't want him to die but, I wish they would have made it were he just absorbed the powers temporarily and not kept them.

seems to me his going to be main villan in the end .. but be nice to someone shoot him were his power is at .. so not he can only mimic powers around them not keep them ..

People...are you all crazy?

Admit it, Peter is the heart and soul of this show. NO WAY Peter will die from this show. If Peter's gone, this show will NOT be the same.

I can't believe that people are still ****** about Peter is too powerful. SO WHAT? The show can easily introduce an equally powerful villain if they want to, you know? And who can stop Sylar after he has all of his power back?

And even though Peter is powerful, he has his weakness. His weakness is that he trusts people too easily, can only see the good side of others. His big heart is his weakness. And he's NOT stupid. Get your dictionary out and read the definition.

Superman has kryptonite, but Peter can Die on a normal day by getting blasted in the head with a shotgun, decapitated, blown up, crushed under extreme pressure/weight, etc.. He isn't invunerable, just regerates most engeries minus ones that destroy his brain... He also can still be knocked out and or pass out from pain or lack of oxygen, not to mention have his friends or family threatened...

There are many people without a direct weakness like "Kryptonite" but it doesn't make them invincible... Nobody on this show has a "real" weakness but NOBODY on this show is undefeatable, including Peter. I think once their is a believable villain that moves behind the scenes and places all sorts of obsticles and mysteries for the heroes to unfold and try to put together Peter's powers won't seem like a "be all end all" because he'll have to use his other skills..

As far as everyone throwing time travel up in the air like it will solve everything, remember that this power can and SHOULD cause more problems then it solves due to altering history and for the fact of Peter and or Hiro constantly running into themselves and having to stumble over whats going on 24/7...

I don't think time travel will/should be used as mush in the future (no pun intended) of this show. Maybe an actual main villain in a position of power without all of these grey area loose ended plots. Everyone should be working on the same goal from episode 1 or2 of a story arc with the first episode at least setting up the main story for the core group of that story arc with the rest of the characters being included in the next couple of episodes at the latest to keep a sense of unity.

I'm sorry if some people are too limitted in their ability to think of ways around Peter's abilities, but like I said before a decent writer could come up with ways to keep Peter foiled until the end of a story arc... I just hope the writers do a better job with story-telling this next volume...

I couldn't disagree more. The problem is with the writing not the character of Peter Petrelli.

Peter has a severe weakness, and in a way it is the same one Superman possess (irrespective of Krytonite)... he cares deeply for people. Peter can be threatened by threatening the people he cares for (heck... threatening anyone!). And Peter can't be everywhere at once. Additionally, we have no idea what other powers are out there.

Keep in mind that when Peter was talking to Claude in The Fix he explained that he didn't know how he could see Claude but he could. Claude's response was "Fantastic. One of those?" Alluding to the fact that there are other empaths out there. Personally, I think having a non-powered person as a counter to Peter is more interesting then having another special after him. But I don't think the writers will go that way.

It's simple. They have to give Peter the stupid gene to balance out how strong his character is. They do the same thing with Superman. What they have to do is either create some major weaknesses to his power or turn him into a villian. He would make a way more interesting villian, and a powerfully dangerous foe for the heros to face. He also has some history with most of the main characters, so it will add much tention for him to be at opposite ends.

I'm pretty sure exploding Peter wont kill him.. Both Claire and Adam have been in explosions and didn't die...

If it is a violent explossion that blats his brains out it will do the trick fine, Adam wasn't in a big enough explosion to blast his head off since his charred body was burnt badly but still in tact, and Claire wasn't in an "Explosion" As much as a highly radioactive area caused by Ted, but Her power was basicly countering the effects as they happened...

The point is, even without killing Peter he can be defeated. People with way more power then Peter have been defeated or stumped in many of these shows and by people with less power but amazing tactics/planning. If a villain is dumb enough to face Peter, Hiro, Monica, or Mat directly, then they deserve to be defeated if they can't contend with them power for power, but if they use deciet, henchmen, innocent pawns, and other forms of average comic book and tv show villainry then they should fair better then Adam whose plan is quite dumb in exicution... Both the Villains and Heroes were dumb this season... Just smarten everyone up for better stories and case solved...

hahaha that cracked me up

but i love peter though

Well first of all I would rather like Sylar to go first.

Secondly for those who didn't watched closely, Peter might have many powers but he always recalls one after each other. That alone makes him vulnerable.

On the other hand Victoria was about to blow his brains out and he didn't used tk in that situation to stop her. Instead he raised his hand to defend himself (shocked reaction).

That points also to the powerless human part of him and to the fact that he is not always able to recall powers THAT fast.

Even he isn't one of my favorites, I would rather say that it's not the characters or his powers fault.
It's the poor writing we had to deal with the whole second season(in some parts of the first season too).

So killing peter wouldn't solve anything except of losing another regular that might trip on a banana and die.

Perhaps the writers' strike is a good thing. Obviously they (the "Heroes" writing staff) need their rest. Judging from their 'tired' efforts, a little time off could be just what the doctor ordered.

They could stop making the characters so stupid. Give our heroes the basic rational thought ability. Then we would be less likely to become irritated with a pathetic acting Peter for not using his brain and his 'gifts' (the ones he's aware of) properly or Mohinder for not enlisting help in response to Sylar's home invasion and hostage situation (what?!)...

There is absolutely no reason why the fans should settle for such non-sense! Please, Tim, take advantage of this unscheduled break to circle the wagons and get show up to the level of intellect representative of the nerds you serve ( remember Star Trek NG?), that's your client audience! For, we simply deserve and expect better.

And, oh by the way, it would save you from losing fan base and sponsorship, so it's in everybody's best interest that you and your staff put forth this type of corrective effort. Please, don't let us down (again).
Drive this brilliantly conceived show into the annuls of history and not into the ground.

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"or Mohinder for not enlisting help in response to Sylar's home invasion and hostage situation (what?!)... "

Not to hijack this thread, but wasn't that the whole point of Mohinder taking Sylar back to his "lab?" So he could get Sylar to a place where he knew cameras were around, and someone would see (which they did) and come to his rescue (which they did)?

I don't want Peter to die. He's fabulous, and even though he's a little too emo sometimes...he adds essential character to this show.

You do remember Mohinder's fate the last time he encountered Sylar, don't you? Why would he think that he could get Sylar to accompany him back to the lab?! What am I missing here?

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I don't know, maybe the fact that Sylar actually... accompanied him back to the lab?

Mohinder's not stupid if his plan actually works. Which it did. If Elle had zapped Sylar first and asked questions later, everything would have worked out.

This time Sylar only had a gun & was desperate for help getting his powers back -- with Mohinder being the only likely source of such aid, and the lab a logical place to get it ...

we gotta accept peter is a little overpowered, but i think its good theres a character like him, hes more than an super super hero, hes a confused human, he still has a lot to learn, thats why hes so ******, i know id be confuzed if from one day to the next i can teleport myself and walk through walls (maybe id take a good advantage of it)

Yay, Peter needs to die. He did get beter in the second volume, but I think that's because he lost his emo bangs. He is just too stupid, at least Sylar knows how to use his powers.

I think it would be pretty easy to beat Peter. All you have to do put a cardboard cut out of Nathan in some sort of car/trash compactor, and Peter would go running in to save him. Then all you do is crush him into a small block and his brain should be crushed as well and no more Peter. OR you could just use the cardboard cut out as a distraction and while Peter snuggles with it shot him in the back on the head.

On a serious note it would be easy to kill any hero with the Haitian on your side.

Or, find a way to con Peter into thinking you saved Nathan's life (won't be that hard, this is Peter we're talking about here). Tell Peter that it's in his best interests not to get near Nathan anymore (that pesky Nathan could get Peter to turn on you eventually... just keep them separated). If you can manage to do this...

Then, Peter will be your unquestioning lapdog for as long as you live

He'll have no problems with you killing people in his presence (as long as it's not Nathan), so go crazy and fulfill any kind of sociopathic desires you wish.

Oh! The serial killer, Sylar, only had a gun! And, Mohinder knew this how? And, what is with "...only had a gun..." as a legitimate excuse for not getting help with Sylar?

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A plan formulated (improvised) while at his apartment upon realizing that Sylar was un-powered, yes? You do realize that he did not know this prior to Maya revealing it? So, again, why would he not ask for help, before going home, knowing that he and Molly are in dire straits?!

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? I don't quite understand what you are saying.

He knew Sylar had a gun because Sylar pulled a gun on Mohinder after he tried to stab him in the neck with a knife. Didn't you watch the episode?

At that point, Mohinder said something to the effect of, "Well, I can't help you here. You'll have to come back to my lab with me." (Where he knew there were cameras and was staring desperately at them when they got there) That's when Elle saw him on the video tapes, and went to his apartment to go after Sylar..essentially...rescuing Mohinder & Co.

Where is the confusion in that?

Try understanding this. Before Mohinder went home he had received a threatening call from Sylar. Correct? And, still he never enlisted any assistance knowing that his and Molly's lives were in the balance. Yes?

What is it about my suggestion that he should have sought out help with this most serious of problems (Sylar) before going home that you don't understand? Mohinder did not know that Sylar no longer had his powers! Remember? Sylar had him pinned against a ceiling the last time they were together. Right? So, why wouldn't he expect more of the same? How would he know that a defanged Sylar, psychopath that he is, armed only with a gun (duh!), was waiting for him?

Please explain what you saw that would have led Mohinder to this conclusion and why that would constitute a reason for putting his and Molly's lives on the line.

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Yeah, not calling Bob was a dumb plot hole. I wish the writers would stop and think about this kind of thing for ten seconds. They should have ended the previous episode with Mohinder walking into his apartment, and Sylar spinning around in the chair with "Welcome home, Dr. Suresh."

Other than that, I think Mohinder handled it pretty well

Agreed. But, why did he come home 'empty handed' in the first place. If you're not going to get help, at least bring your gun (which, btw, didn't help the last time you encountered Sylar)! He knew Sylar was at his home, holding Molly hostage and he should have sought help. Wouldn't you have?

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Dude, I just agreed with you. Sylar should have caught Mohinder totally unprepared (i.e. no warning phone call).

My apologies. And, don't call me "Dude" ! It's...

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Who here makes the most intelligent decisions whilst in an extremely emotional state? Emotions sometimes render us "dumb" struck. Peter is an empath. Full of emotion, having to recall how someone made him FEEL to use his power...he could just be overwhelmed by it all. Notice how he went back and forth not knowing what or who to believe? With his memories being wiped who knows how many times... it's no 9th wonder why he's a lil slow on the uptake Heroes is so very real , we forgot what real is (i.e. 'not so" reality TV): unpredictable, not always making the most sense. LIFE.

Besides, who wants an all-powerful-know-it-all having his way on the show? LOL

"What is it about my suggestion that he should have sought out help with this most serious of problems (Sylar) before going home that you don't understand?"

Don't be silly. Sylar already had Molly. What if Mohinder had called Bob and Bob had told him not to go? He's not the most trustworthy person, and Mohinder knows him to be a man that would throw others underneath a bus if necessary. Do you really think Mohinder would have accepted that?

Things were dire. It was urgent. Sylar had Molly. Mohinder had what Sylar needed. It would have been more stupid of Mohinder to ignore Sylar's demands and not show up like he asked...therefore making it more likely that Molly end up with a bullet in her head (or as far as Mohinder knew, her skull sawed off) by the time Mohinder could get more help from others more prepared.

I get bored with people who think they could write this show better (or know the characters and their motivations better) than the people who actually created and write the show...and have the nerve to act superior about it.

True enough.  Whether he becomes evil, powerless, stays the same, whatever, he's going to remain on the show due to his popularity.

And then you'd have what? The end of The Matrix: Revolutions.  No thanks.



Peter can.  He can stop time and cannot die.  He's more powerful.



It's not enough of a weakness.  With a bit of practice he can stop time and rip Sylar's head off.  He's already demonstrated his darker side and has shown that the deaths of people he doesn't care about don't phase him.  He'll have absolutely no compunction about killing someone like Sylar.

Although it would have been better to have Sylar surprise Mohinder completely, it does make sense that Mohinder would rush to confront Sylar. I mean, who would he have called? Bob wasn't in New York, it would have taken hours for him to arrive. Elle was with Bob at the beginning of the episode, and only came back to New York in the nick of time. Niki was infected with the virus, and Matt was soaring through the air on Nathan's back. I would have liked it if Mohinder did call someone on his way to confront Sylar, and they went to the apartment with him or were there waiting at the lab. It would have made for a better scene if Sylar dispatched of the people who were there to catch him, creating a true sense of hopelessness for Mohinder and the gang.

Aces,

Mohinder barely escaped with his life the last time he encountered Sylar. To suggest that it might have been a reason to seek out help from the Company before going home to me makes sense. If that is your interpretation of my acting superior, than so be it. I'll except your judgment (as obviously you are superior to me).

All I am doing is trying to share what I think would have made more sense, by comparing what has happened historically given the subject (Sylar). Hopefully, you can forgive my having an opinion.

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Also, why does Mohinder catch all the crap for this situation? Parkman picked out their lameass babysitter and flew off to Texas. He coudln't have called one of his cop buddies?

Oh, please don't get me wrong. I think your interpretation of how Mohinder could have acted would have made good sense. But, all I'm trying to point out to you is that what he did made just as much sense. It was an awful situation, and Mohinder had to choose between a rock and a hard place. There's a hundred reasons why characters do what they do on this show. Unfortunately, it's only one hour per episode (with commmercials), and this isn't a comic book (where we can see these characters thoughts as bubbles).

However, calling Mohinder stupid (maybe not in so many words) for his actions doesn't make you 100% right on the subject. The important thing is that he did do what he could to stop Sylar once he knew Molly was okay.