I was reading Beeman's blog a few minutes ago and on there he has a picture of Cristine (Angela Petrelli) that merely said 'The Queen.' That got me to thinking... there were three queens in the vault, right? And of the four women of the group of 12, three are dead. Is that where the cards come from? I'm sure there's probably more meaning than that, but I wanna put a hefty bet that Angela Petrelli is the Queen of Clubs.

Any other theories as to what it could represent or mean? Do you think it'll become a future plot point?

where does it say that there are 3 queens? Did I miss something?

Maybe their souls are trapped in the cards! and a new villain is trying to make a full deck out of heroes! :-P

Oooh Creepy. I love it. What a power for a "new" villain.

I really like this idea. Anyone know if Isaac was into 3D art too?

oddly enough, 3 queens, 12 founders, 4 of the 12 women, 4 suits equals 12 face cards equals the perfect math for those cards to actually be founding members.. it's a long shot but who knows?

this is what i posted in another thread. i thought i would bring it up here

reading that actually is what made me realize how the math works out. I just figured i'd post it here since it's a thread specifically for the queens.

That's pretty interesting. Maybe there are some parallels between the twelve and playing cards. Interesting that the 3 queens may represent the other 3 female founders. I wonder if there's more to this.

Sounds very interesting, but it reminds me of Final Destination 3. LoL.

do each of the cards have specific representations? If so, could we figure out which of the known founders could be which other cards in the deck?

Uh I don't think so. Adam killed Victoria right before coming there. Either someone was tipped off and put her card there or a card magically teleported there after she was killed. Even in a show with flying men and people coming back to life left and right, magical cards seem unlikely.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.woodenhorsebooks.com/Playing-Card-Names.html

Well whatever they mean, I think they were definitely shown for a reason. As was everything else we got a glimpse of in the vault that night.

Especially the key, seeing as adam wanted it. At the moment, I'm working on seeing if i can find any connction between the people and the face cards, but so far it's not going incredibly well.

The only thing that I can't figure out is how exactly it WOULD relate to the founders. Because I feel like if it really was trapping their souls in the cards or something like that, it would be way too yu-gi-oh, and therefore I might just have to stop watching entirely.

So lets play this out - using the Graphic novel as an assist we learned that Linderman and Arthur were leaders of the group. Kaito seemed to be a leader during the Shanti #138 moment and Bob currently portrays his leader role (however didn't he tell Mohinder that he wasn't in charge).

Adam (ACE)
Daniel Linderman, Kaito Nakamura, Arthur Petrelli and Bob Bishop (Kings)
Victoria Pratt, Angela Petrelli, Susan Ammaw, Paula Gr? (Queens)
Carlos Mendez, Maury Parkman, Charles Deveaux, Harry Fletcher (Jacks)

I think we have seen how Maury was a jack to Adam. Possibly Charles was used by Angela and Linderman during season one to forsee the explosion.

I think there were more than just 3 women in that group.

I still can't believe that the writers hired Nichel Nichols just to play..a grandma! She should be one of the women in that photo.

Yup. I really thought she'd play one of the original founders...I guess not.

It might have something to do with Arthur being so good at poker?

I thought of that, but it could represent former members rather than specifically dead -- she had formally quit for quite a while.



More likely (if this has any validity outside of wild speculation) that Bob was a Jack -- he's more of a middle manager -- but promoted due to thinning of the upper ranks... Personally I'd guess Charles Deveaux to be a King ... but that doesn't answer one crucial question: why only the Queens?

"La Hire" as the Jack of Hearts?
That's interesting.
The real "La Hire" fought alongside Jeanne d'Arc aka St. Joan.

Well, if this face card meaning thing does hold true, then I'd consider The King of Hearts to be Arthur Petrelli, if in fact he is dead. After all, the King of Hearts is the Suicide King (look at the picture. He is shown sticking a dagger into the back of his head.

And Linderman, to me, would possibly be the King of Diamonds, or the Axe King, as I call it.

In the episode commentary, one of the musicians offhandedly called it the "winning hand."

So who has the Queen of Clubs...?

why only the queens is an interesting question...

However, jack of hearts fought along st joan? that's an interesting tidbit.

Queen of clubs would appear to be Angela by these representations.

And a "winning hand" would definitely be a royal flush, or as close as we can come without there being 10s (the next gen heroes?)

Although there are odd connections between playing cards and the founders/storyline of heroes, the one thing I'm wondering is how it actually connects to be important enough to keep the cards in the vault. Having it being souls seems far fetched and, well, kind of dumb.

Maybe they serve well enough to be used as representations of the founders in regards to some sort of heroes "voodoo doll" power, possibly even held by the brain in the jar...