devolution
Dec 10 2007, 08:35 PM
Well, vote!
devolution
Dec 12 2007, 07:29 PM
Well it's decided them, five votes for yes and three for no. KILL THE *****!
blueicesjt
Dec 12 2007, 07:38 PM
I didn't think she was used all that great last year but she was used even worse this year. Her character was so random and had no focus. Would have been much better if Jessica got back in control and became a weapon for the Company.
How many of the 11 episode was she in anyway? Anyone count?
fernajen
Dec 12 2007, 07:43 PM
Yes please kill her. I know what it is about her but she just so annoying.
Raekon
Dec 13 2007, 02:10 AM
I think the character has great unused potential but the writers messed up after they changed the storyline they wanted to go with in the second season by coming up with another dumb personality. I mean Jessica was ok but her purpose was fullfilled, Niki learned to use her Super Strength and her story had to bring her more into the main plot. What did they with it? Nothing! I really hope that she comes back and starts being as kick ****** as she was when she kicked this Thugs behind(even without her Super Strength) in the last episode.
Together with Monica and Micah they could take care of the Thugs and clean N.O. a bit.
Since it was said that Monica would be more a center person in the next season, that would give Niki the opportunity to be a part of the big plot at last!
aulduron
Dec 21 2007, 05:06 PM
It's bad enough that DL is gone. Don't kill her.
Krisgee
Jan 21 2008, 06:00 AM
Sorry, but I think DL was the problem in season 1 - should never have been introduced as a main character. Niki/Jessica character was was brilliant up until DL came into the picture. I just found it to be one actress doing some fantastic believable acting, when another actor was doing such a lame and bad job. I have to admit he did improve a teeny bit in the 2nd season (not nowhere near enough though!). Killing him off was desperately needed. As for killing off Niki, that would both stupid and insane; she's the only character that has shown any real, true and believable emotion (All the time that is, Peter and Claire briefly at times) - and I think that was what missing badly in the 2nd season. This character has heaps of potential for development as there is still so much we don't know yet.
What they should do now though is let Niki lay dormant and have Jessica come out again, but this time define Niki's abilities a bit more and how her parents fit in (it's overdue). What would be good and interesting is her character heading along the lines of Jean Grey with Phoenix and Madelyne Pryor (who were both just extentions of the first's own being). I expect Micah will probably believe that his mother is dead though.
Ronald
Jan 21 2008, 06:21 AM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Dec 21 2007, 08:06 PM)

It's bad enough that DL is gone. Don't kill her.
I would have to agree. Killing her off now would be saying the only purpose for her charector was Micah and giving strength to Peter.
Revengeance
Jan 21 2008, 07:01 AM
Niki probably lives. For the purpose of introducing Monica's character to the show, Micah's character was sent to New Orleans. And he wouldn't have been sent there if D.L. hadn't died and Niki hadn't got the virus. Now, Monica is established to stand alone and Micah can return to Niki. Plus, Adam was known as "Richard Sanders" at some point in his very long life... there must be a connection to Niki. Or Micah, if Niki actually dies.
Nathan probably dies. It sickens me to say it, because the character and actor have always been my favorites. But the big question of the first season finale was whether or not Nathan survived, and to repeat the outcome would just defy the point. And at least his kids would still have a parent, opposed to Micah becoming an orphan.
Still... I really hope it's the other way around. Niki has always been boring and Nathan makes episodes so much more awesome.
MrsGoogly
Jan 21 2008, 07:30 AM
QUOTE (Revengeance @ Jan 21 2008, 07:01 AM)

Niki probably lives. For the purpose of introducing Monica's character to the show, Micah's character was sent to New Orleans. And he wouldn't have been sent there if D.L. hadn't died and Niki hadn't got the virus. Now, Monica is established to stand alone and Micah can return to Niki. Plus, Adam was known as "Richard Sanders" at some point in his very long life... there must be a connection to Niki. Or Micah, if Niki actually dies.
Nathan probably dies. It sickens me to say it, because the character and actor have always been my favorites. But the big question of the first season finale was whether or not Nathan survived, and to repeat the outcome would just defy the point. And at least his kids would still have a parent, opposed to Micah becoming an orphan.
Still... I really hope it's the other way around. Niki has always been boring and Nathan makes episodes so much more awesome.

Going by that reasoning it makes more sense to me that Niki would die and Nathan lives, especially as we know Claire’s blood can cure all ills.
Nathan is linked with loads of characters on the show. How would Peter cope – not well. Nathan’s relationship with Claire has not been properly explored. He has great comedy moments with Hiro and Matt. Plus, I think Nathan is the only Hero with the potential to lead a group of good guys – they’re going to need him in Villains!
In contrast, Niki has links with only Micah. And if she dies, Micah gets to stay with Monica and be her cool sidekick.
Personally. I don’t think either of them will die. As a final thing, though: Nathan’s power is duplicated in West and Peter, whereas Niki’s has not been properly explained yet. So there maybe hope for her yet!
Krisgee
Jan 24 2008, 06:53 AM
No Niki should without a doubt NOT die, nor should Jessica or Nathan. I do think the writers have taken too long to explain the Niki/Jessica connection, they should have done this ages ago. One would assume that Jessica is Niki's deceased (in the physical sense) sister - not twin either and does exist (not a figment of imagination - Jessica did put make-up over the tattoo). One could also assume that the company had something to do with Jessica's death (remembering Candice taunting Niki with "They killed the wrong sister"). Possibly trying to bring out the sisters' powers/abilities (eg. of how they experimented with Elle). Their abilities need to be defined too. Then there is the question of their parentage. Not sure if Hal is their father - Adam? My money is on either Victoria Pratt or the unamed blonde woman(in the photo of 12) being their mother.
I think the stuggle for control between the two works good, that's the real human element (you know the "I shouldn't really do that, but sc--w it I'm gonna do it anyway!")
Astroman77
Jan 24 2008, 07:09 AM
QUOTE (Krisgee @ Jan 24 2008, 09:53 AM)

No Niki should without a doubt NOT die, nor should Jessica or Nathan. I do think the writers have taken too long to explain the Niki/Jessica connection, they should have done this ages ago. One would assume that Jessica is Niki's deceased (in the physical sense) sister - not twin either and does exist (not a figment of imagination - Jessica did put make-up over the tattoo). One could also assume that the company had something to do with Jessica's death (remembering Candice taunting Niki with "They killed the wrong sister"). Possibly trying to bring out the sisters' powers/abilities (eg. of how they experimented with Elle). Their abilities need to be defined too. Then there is the question of their parentage. Not sure if Hal is their father - Adam? My money is on either Victoria Pratt or the unamed blonde woman(in the photo of 12) being their mother.
I think the stuggle for control between the two works good, that's the real human element (you know the "I shouldn't really do that, but sc--w it I'm gonna do it anyway!")
What Candice actually said was "the wrong sister died". And since Linderman was aware of Jessica, it makes sense that Candice would know about her (as Micah was her assignment) as well and use that in an illusion to confuse Niki should the need arise.
Ronald
Jan 31 2008, 08:07 AM
QUOTE (Astroman77 @ Jan 24 2008, 10:09 AM)

What Candice actually said was "the wrong sister died". And since Linderman was aware of Jessica, it makes sense that Candice would know about her (as Micah was her assignment) as well and use that in an illusion to confuse Niki should the need arise.
This is turning into another thread with a list of unanswered questions.
What is Niki, Peter, Sylar, Matt, Angela, etc extent to their power?
What happened to Charlie, Kaitlyn, DL, etc and why couldn't they survive?
BrainSalad
Jan 31 2008, 12:20 PM
I reckon both Nathan and Niki will live. Nathan's just too damn popular to dispose of, and he has so many ties with other characters, as MrsGoogly said, but according to the rumours, Ali Larter is back, so we can assume that Niki's back too, which ever alter-ego it is, it doesn't really matter.
I'd hate if Nathan died. He is an awesome character who we've never really seen at his full potential, but then that's also the same for Niki. I think I'd like both to live, just because there's still so much to explore.
aulduron
Jan 31 2008, 08:55 PM
The show has two time travelers, and three people with healing blood. Nobody has to stay dead.
themightytruk
Jan 31 2008, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Jan 31 2008, 11:55 PM)

The show has two time travelers, and three people with healing blood. Nobody has to stay dead.
And that would be a problem. The show loses some tension and excitement when you feel everyone could come back from death.
accessdlp
Feb 1 2008, 02:50 AM
As I have always said, Niki and Jessica has always been symptomatic of the main problem with this show: missed opportunities. I am hoping that both Nik and Jess survive (with an occasional apperance by party girl Gina) and have ithier exsistnc fully explained.
I also challenge the writers in between picket walks to look at some of the fanfics that are out there about N/J, especially the brilliant
The Family That Fights Together if they want to know what to do with these wonderfulc characters.
Ronald
Feb 6 2008, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (accessdlp @ Feb 1 2008, 05:50 AM)

As I have always said, Niki and Jessica has always been symptomatic of the main problem with this show: missed opportunities. I am hoping that both Nik and Jess survive (with an occasional apperance by party girl Gina) and have ithier exsistnc fully explained.
I think they should have some more Gina time, Jessica has already gone her course and so has Niki
Raekon
Feb 6 2008, 11:52 PM
Well what I hope most is if they finnaly drop the whole MPD and let Niki being Niki with more confidence and more whoop ****** like she proved against the guy that had trapped monica in the final episode even without superstrength.
Also give her more to do then just pushing others storylines which was her main purpose in season 2. -.-
Joe Ravenclaw
Feb 10 2008, 08:50 AM
I think people don't like her because she's been poorly written since season one, and it's done a lot of damage to her fan base. I think if the writers actually included her in some of the more interesting storylines, and gave her a better role in the show, that she would be a more likable character.
Matt is proof of this. No one really cared for matt in Season one, but in season two everyone liked him because he had a much better storyline.
Anyways, I like Niki a lot, and I think that they should give her another chance. I chose "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Brennan
Feb 10 2008, 09:12 AM
I agree with Joe.
Niki could be such a kickas character, we've see this a few times. (Both season finales, plus when she knocked down Bobs door) but whenever we see these moments of awesomeness, the writers for some reason decide to take 2 steps back. If they want her to have the MPD, then thats fine, its her character whatever. But they could put a little more effort in giving her a storyline, making people like her and having her do something. She has so much potential and they could have taken her in so many different directions, and yet for some odd reason they choose not to. It seems as if they'd rather keep her in the background so that she can be everyone else's scapegoat/push along character/Whatever else the writers need when they're in a pinch.
Joe Ravenclaw
Feb 10 2008, 11:11 PM
yay, someone agrees with me.
Akizu
Feb 18 2008, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (Joe Ravenclaw @ Feb 10 2008, 11:11 PM)

yay, someone agrees with me.

I'll repeat what I've said before on a different Heroes fansite:
I strongly believe Niki didn't die in the explosion. A simple observation I took into is that they never physically showed her dieing within the building...they just showed the explosion of the building. In tv shows and movies there's been plenty incidents where a person is shown for a second, then without the audience realizing any time frame going by, a building explodes...never showing if the character survived or not, but sometimes the situation comes where you see the person escaped...but they don't show you how.
I dunno, I didn't want her to die...so that's my guess.
I love her character, but the writers aren't giving her enough attention...sadly. T_T
devolution
Feb 25 2008, 04:39 AM
T_T, this thread became epic failure. I was hoping for tons of YES!'s. I just see no point in her character, DL was MILLIONS better than Niki and all Niki had going for her was being crazy. But not a good crazy like Sylar or Adam, a bad crazy that's annoying as shat. Please Kring, kill this beyoch and do us all a favor, my fingers get tired fast fowarding through her parts!
TsaiMeLemoni
Feb 25 2008, 05:58 AM
So because the poll didn't come out with the results you wanted, it's a failure?
I think it just shows that people still have hope for her character. I'll definetly agree with you that her story in both seasons could have been immensely better, but she's still my favorite character because she has so much potential. If the writers give her a good story, then you won't have to fast-forward her scenes (granted that she is alive next season, of course)
devolution
Feb 25 2008, 06:23 AM
I wouldn't care if she has the best written part in the whole freaking world of written parts. I HATE Niki because she's just a useless character and the fact that because Ali Later didn't like DL's character they gave him a shatty death and then at the end of season two they gave Niki one of the most honorable deaths Heroes have had, which she didn't deserve AT ALL.
TsaiMeLemoni
Feb 25 2008, 06:41 AM
I've heard about Ali's dislike of Robert, but I haven't actually seen anything about it, so I am disinclined to see this as total fact. DL did have ****** death, but that's more the writers' fault than Niki's. You say that you wouldn't care if she had the best written story, because you feel she is useless. Well..a better written storyline for her would see her rise in importance, and making her integral to the story.
I understand you don't like her, it seems like most don't, I just guess I don't understand why you see a poll as a favor, whether you made it/requested it or not.
Raekon
Feb 29 2008, 01:28 AM
Those dislikes could be also rumours. There are always bad tongues around that their only purpose for being around is to fill sheets of paper with trash so the magazines can be sold.

I like this character and I'm happy there are more people around that do the same than me.
biggesheroesfan
Mar 4 2008, 07:40 PM
Niki should die as soon as possible! She is horrible!
lastparkman
Jun 10 2008, 07:12 PM
Nikki should definitely NOT die!
I could watch her fragile psyche splinter and break apart into a hundred different personalities! I think a super-strong and ****** off Gina would be kind of funny.
Brennan
Jun 10 2008, 07:43 PM
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
Ali Larter is one of the best actors on the show, and I want to see her act out a GOOD storyline. I mean everyone else gets 'em, but she always gets the short end of the stick. Her death was a good one, but I like the Niki that we saw at the end of both seasons, but once again, they end up ruining. I mean the confident, powerful Niki that we witnessed at the end of season one was what I expected for season two, but we got the same old weak one. Not to say that Ali acted it badly, its just you can only do so much when you're handed crap. I can only hope that when the third season starts up, she stays the confident, powerful Niki that we once again got to see at the end of season two. I mean come on, she took on that dude without her powers. Thats kick ******, which is another reason I love the character, she is a true Hero in every sense of the word. She loves her family, she tries to do whats right... Thats something that we can all relate to.
So yea, I've started to rant, so I'll slow down. I will however second everyone's opinion on the original poster. You haven't really given good evidence on why you hate her so badly. She was written badly... Nobody's arguing that. So if thats all you got, then that should be the end of it. Don't be angry because you didn't get your expected results, becasue from what I've seen, for every person that truly hates Niki as a character (Not including the people who dont care eaither way or just dont care for her) theres someone else that Loves her. (theres plenty of us out there, even if we dont all post on message boards.)
Astroman77
Jun 11 2008, 09:19 AM
QUOTE (Brennan @ Jun 10 2008, 11:43 PM)

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
Ali Larter is one of the best actors on the show, and I want to see her act out a GOOD storyline. I mean everyone else gets 'em, but she always gets the short end of the stick. Her death was a good one, but I like the Niki that we saw at the end of both seasons, but once again, they end up ruining. I mean the confident, powerful Niki that we witnessed at the end of season one was what I expected for season two, but we got the same old weak one. Not to say that Ali acted it badly, its just you can only do so much when you're handed crap. I can only hope that when the third season starts up, she stays the confident, powerful Niki that we once again got to see at the end of season two. I mean come on, she took on that dude without her powers. Thats kick ******, which is another reason I love the character, she is a true Hero in every sense of the word. She loves her family, she tries to do whats right... Thats something that we can all relate to.
So yea, I've started to rant, so I'll slow down. I will however second everyone's opinion on the original poster. You haven't really given good evidence on why you hate her so badly. She was written badly... Nobody's arguing that. So if thats all you got, then that should be the end of it. Don't be angry because you didn't get your expected results, becasue from what I've seen, for every person that truly hates Niki as a character (Not including the people who dont care eaither way or just dont care for her) theres someone else that Loves her. (theres plenty of us out there, even if we dont all post on message boards.)
What you said..times two!
Brennan
Jun 11 2008, 09:30 AM
Thanks Astroman.
And one more thing that I forgot to mention,
I doubt that Ali Larter got Leonard Roberts fired from the show. For one, nothing I've ever heard about her makes her out to be a diva, and secondly, do you really think that she has that much pull? From all I hear everyone loves each other on the set.
Also, if you thought Niki was going nowhere, then I'd hate to know what you thought of DL since all he did was back up her storyline... So its not really saying much for him when you hate on her in terms of her character. I'm not saying that I wanted him dead, becasue quite frankly he was another character that the writers dropped the ball on, but he didn't do much either, so why do you take so much more pity on him than her? They're both characters that are kind of in the same boat.
Astroman77
Jun 11 2008, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (Brennan @ Jun 11 2008, 01:30 PM)

Thanks Astroman.
And one more thing that I forgot to mention,
I doubt that Ali Larter got Leonard Roberts fired from the show. For one, nothing I've ever heard about her makes her out to be a diva, and secondly, do you really think that she has that much pull? From all I hear everyone loves each other on the set.
Also, if you thought Niki was going nowhere, then I'd hate to know what you thought of DL since all he did was back up her storyline... So its not really saying much for him when you hate on her in terms of her character. I'm not saying that I wanted him dead, becasue quite frankly he was another character that the writers dropped the ball on, but he didn't do much either, so why do you take so much more pity on him than her? They're both characters that are kind of in the same boat.
I would like to expand on your first paragraph a little more. And I don't mean to diminish Ali in any way cause I think she's all kinds of awesome! How could she be a diva? She's one of at least a 15 character ensemble. One of her most popular scenes is that whipped cream scene from
Varsity Blues.
Final Destination 2.
Resident Evil. I mean, come on! Her upcoming movie
Obsessed looks to be a good film at least but it's still filming. Actors not getting along happens all the time. Sarah Jessica Parker and Kim Catrall didn't get along but their professionals and you deal with it. I think worst case scenario they got into an argument(s) and it got blown out of proportion. Anyway, I don't watch
Heroes for the behind-the-scenes, I want to see the on-screen drama. Oh, and lots of powers
Synch
Jun 11 2008, 02:09 PM
45 votes. 28 of them want Ali to stay in some way. (That includes mine, BTW.)
The whole Ali VS DL/Leonard seems to be made up out of whole cloth- I can't find a single legitimate source for it.
Was Nikki poorly written? During S2, I completely agree. The sudden emergence of a random, unintroduced, third personality was poorly conceived and written. However, I was one of the (apparent) bare handful who considered S1 Nikki/Jessica to be one of the best written, and most interesting, characters.
And Ali Larter is one of the best actresses the show has.
I voted to save Nikki, but the truth is I don't particularly care if Nikki survives, as long as Ali remains on the show.
Astroman77
Jun 11 2008, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Jun 11 2008, 06:09 PM)

45 votes. 28 of them want Ali to stay in some way. (That includes mine, BTW.)
The whole Ali VS DL/Leonard seems to be made up out of whole cloth- I can't find a single legitimate source for it.
Was Nikki poorly written? During S2, I completely agree. The sudden emergence of a random, unintroduced, third personality was poorly conceived and written. However, I was one of the (apparent) bare handful who considered S1 Nikki/Jessica to be one of the best written, and most interesting, characters.
And Ali Larter is one of the best actresses the show has.
I voted to save Nikki, but the truth is I don't particularly care if Nikki survives, as long as Ali remains on the show.
For the most part I agree with you. Her S1 story was hands-down better written. My issue was that Niki, DL and Micah were really never integrated into any of the major stories. They weren't saving the cheerleader, going after Sylar or trying to stop the exploding man. All we got was Niki and DL had a child that could manipulate the voting machines to rig the election for Nathan who would lead the world after the man exploded. DL did kill Linderman and Niki whacked Sylar with the parking meter, but that's it.
S2 storyline..oy vey! Even though badly written, Ali acted her booty off with what she was given. When DL gets shot and she just sinks down the wall with blood all over her. The look on her face and in her eyes..you could see her dying some inside. And I did not like they way DL died. I would have rathered Jessica come out and tear him in half. Deal with that guilt Niki!
Totally agree about not caring as much if Niki lives as Ali staying on the show. And it's time for her (whoever that is) to be a bada$$ all the time, not just in season finales.
Brennan
Jun 11 2008, 02:33 PM
QUOTE (Astroman77 @ Jun 11 2008, 05:45 PM)

I would like to expand on your first paragraph a little more. And I don't mean to diminish Ali in any way cause I think she's all kinds of awesome! How could she be a diva? She's one of at least a 15 character ensemble. One of her most popular scenes is that whipped cream scene from
Varsity Blues.
Final Destination 2.
Resident Evil. I mean, come on! Her upcoming movie
Obsessed looks to be a good film at least but it's still filming. Actors not getting along happens all the time. Sarah Jessica Parker and Kim Catrall didn't get along but their professionals and you deal with it. I think worst case scenario they got into an argument(s) and it got blown out of proportion. Anyway, I don't watch
Heroes for the behind-the-scenes, I want to see the on-screen drama. Oh, and lots of powers

Well, I never said that she
couldn't be a Diva, I just said that everything I've ever read or heard about her is positive, and that includes trash magazines and things like that. They could all potentially be Divas based alone on the popularity of the show, that much is certain. I just dont See Ali Larter as one. (But since I dont know her personally, I could be wrong! lol)
And I also agree with you on the fact that they weren't integrated sooner (or very well) with the rest of the characters. I just would have liked to see more I guess. And as a character I love her, its just what they do with her that irks me. The whole split personality, single mother, Beautiful woman with super strength thing has always been awesome to me. They just didn't utilize any of it very well.
Astroman77
Jun 11 2008, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (Brennan @ Jun 11 2008, 06:33 PM)

The whole split personality, single mother, Beautiful woman with super strength thing has always been awesome to me. They just didn't utilize any of it very well.
I would definitely like them to explore the upper limits of her strength. There was a GN that said that specials were invovled in the building of the pyramids. One had superstrength and while I don't remember the exact weight he could lift, it was a least a ton (that word was used). I would love to see her throw a car or something. And what about strength elsewhere in her body? I assume it's in her legs as well. She should be able to jump high/far. At least they can show that stuff. They can't show her ripping people in half.
I just had a flashback of the Wonder Woman series with Lynda Carter LOL
Brennan
Jun 11 2008, 02:57 PM
YES!
I have always imagined her just throwing aside a car or bus or something, ya know! I mean, super strength is one of the classic abilities, and should definately be explored. Especially since the writers are awesome at what they do regardless of the minor mishaps, and I would love to see their spin on the ability.
nickclark89
Sep 6 2008, 08:26 AM
I love everything that you are saying the super strength! I totally agree!
Niki is stronger than an elephant, but still she hasn't showed his limits!
Sorry for my english, I'm a huge spanish fan of Niki/Jessica
HChristianS
Sep 6 2008, 08:37 AM
i always imagined Niki having the ability to fall out of airplanes or high buildings unharmed. cause if her muscles can handle carrying stuff, cant the rest of her body, the organs and skin and whatnot. I dont know... haha
nickclark89
Sep 6 2008, 08:51 AM
Yes! Invulnerability

In fact she has it! Well, more or less, look this, she is most hard that a safe box, she isn't hurt.
Citizen
Sep 6 2008, 09:59 AM
I voted "No". I haven't had any problems with her storyline in the show and I think she should stay for a while longer. Not to mention Ali Larter is hot
IotV
Sep 6 2008, 10:38 AM
In S1, I think that Ali is the best actress, hands down. Sure, all of them are superb, but Ali wins it. In S2, Kristen Bell was the best, imho, but I'm sure that Ali would have been, if she had a better storyline.
Citizen
Sep 6 2008, 11:19 AM
I wouldn't go as far as to calling her the best s1 cast member but she was close to it.
UnfortunateImp
Sep 6 2008, 01:47 PM
Tim Kring wouldn't dare to kill the (arguably) hottest female in the show and let a lot of fans (and their sexual members) down (down? get it?).
Citizen
Sep 6 2008, 02:02 PM
lol Cornhole
I actually wouldn't mind her staying on for the rest of the series. In fact, 5 hottest Heroes girls:
-Niki
-Jessica
-Gina
-Tracy
-Claire
Bubpheenam15
Sep 6 2008, 02:11 PM
I dont think you need to put that it spoilers Cit. She was mentioned in season two.
Citizen
Sep 6 2008, 02:18 PM
Tracy Strauss wasn't mentioned ever.
Raekon
Sep 24 2008, 10:52 PM
I'm happy Ali is still here and I LOVE her new character and the attitude it has.
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