What if Angela Petrelli really does have Pandora's Box?! In Heroes, anything is possible, which is why I love the show!

Maybe she just has a really wicked power or something...

Tis' just me, but I believe you're over-thinking it, my pet..

I give it 90% odds that Peter = pandora's box. All too obvious, and I wouldn't want to make him angry. All he needs to do now is chill with Molly for a hot minute, then start soaking it up like a sponge.

Besides with Nathan gone, and a possible thirst for vengeance Peter is bound to start "practicing" his powers.

Okay, maybe an actual Pandora's Box may be too corny, but if Angela has powers I hope they're something badass. She can be so cold and manipulating it would be cool do give her powers to match it.

Oh, and "my pet"?! LOL! If that's not the height of arrogance and condescension, I don't know what is...

I think that Peter is the Pandora's Box. It woild make sense givne that he has all thses abilities and he can cause huge amounts of havoc if he chose to. I dont think he would though, but I see people getting in the way of him getting to the person who shot his brother being seriously injured. Whether Nathan lives or dies I see Peter being hellbent on revenge.

I wonder if Angela has any other powers beside the one we have seen?

Peter as Pandora's box is too obvious. Besides, what makes you think Angela wasn't actually talking to Peter on the phone?

Don't get me wrong: I too wish Angela to have a bada$$ power. I just don't wish to see anything as cheesy as Volume 2 turned out to be. ... Nothing to simple, or laid out there on the table.

Know what I mean?

It is obvious to be sure, but it would make sense. Peter could be just one element of the Pandora's box thing. Hope the last thing in Pandora's Box that turned out to be humanity's salvation, and isn't Peter supposed be this beacon of just that? She could also have been talking about the fact that people are going to be trying to figure out what Nathan was going to say that someone would try to have him assassinated. Surly a man getting shot on national television is not going to go unnoticed.

I doubt she was talking to peter on the phone though. I wouldnt make sense becasue why would she be saying to him that Nathan getting shot had to be done?

Angela's power is a form of persuasion where she has to be touching the person. At least that is what they alluded to in that scene with her and Heidi. It also matches up with other things we have seen Angela do.

My thoughts on the Queen and her box:

Pandora's box is either (and it could be a combo of any of them and more:
1. Peter
2. Secrets
3. The start of a War.
4. Angela's own brand of whoop ******
5. The writers strike (I kid)





Wow. Wouldn't it be a mind ****** is that was the case. The whole thing was staged and Angela was saying that Peter and Nathan had started a war. I really hope it wasn't staged, (not to mention Angela was crying for a women who knew her son wasn't dying)but if it would mean that the writers were faking us out with that Angela scene and in reality was just the opposite of what we thought -- that I'd want, because I'd be soo shocked. The context really does matter. We all assume she's talking to Bob or the killer (I say Bob) Would love it if someway they mix it up. The person on the other end would change the context.

But, she looked pretty bitter and upset for a staged death.

the amazing destruction that peter has at his fingertips is definitely enough to be called pandora's box. Especially if he ever meets maya.

I hope that is one person he never meets. That is one power he doesnt need, though it would tone down the emo a bit if he can't get to worked up becasue he might kill people.

The only thing is that that power is possibly the only power shown so far that could be more destructive than ted sprague's if not controlled. And I get the feeling that peter would fair a lot worse than maya if he got the power.

I liked it better when it seemed as though alejandro had a power to stop her power and they needed to be nearby. It had great possibilities for peter and sylar forced to be near each other.

Wow, that's true. I never even thought about it. Then Pandora's box would refer to the fact that everyone is now curious as to why anyone would try to shoot Nathan in the first place.

Come to think of it, this entire shooting thing sounds moronic in the first place. If the company wants to silence anyone, it's Peter and Matt that they should go after. Because if Nathan is dead, there's nothing stopping Peter and Matt from going public now. Unless, as someone said, they just wanted to injure Nathan to scare Peter off from ever doing it

I heard that "Powerless" was retooled to be like a season finale in case it didn't come back in the Spring because of the writers' strike. Anyone know what the original plan was? How was "Powerless" supposed to end?

And Alessandra, I know exactly what you mean about Season 2. Started off really lame and slow and finally picked up toward the end. Couldn't agree with you more. Seems like the same is happening with the character of Angela Petrelli.

I don't think anyone could fare worse than Maya when she first got her power. She's left a trail of bodies across several countries. She's probably got a bigger body count than Sylar and Niki put together.

I too think shooting Nathan was just a warning. The Company will probably rush to save him, making themselves look good, while Angela spills some beans about some of their history, in an attempt to show them why they can't go public, and to recruit them.

This weeks GN talks about the importance of Claires breeding stock, and mentions Arthur Petrelli as being very major player.

I forsee Nathan, and possibly Claire leading the Company at sometime.

I too was actually hoping that Maya wouldn't be able to control her power on her own. However, I was hoping that after Sylar got his powers back, he would kill Alejandro and take his ability to take the Plague away from Maya. That way Maya would be reliant on Sylar and not her brother. It would give Sylar a sidekick/love interest and it would give Maya a way to spend less time with her brother.

The virus fell and got out. The people of Odessa starting coming down with it. At the police station someone recognises Nathan, or something and he is reluctantly encouraged by the reporter in the room to give a speech. After the speech he falls, sick from the virus and lays in Peter's arms. You can actually see publicity pictures from it on NBC.com/heroes under episode picture.

That was the big change.



Sounds good. Just change recruit to redemption and they all agree to go after the company together. I can't see Angela trying to recuit the boys. She talks about the past with too much recentment and if she wanted the boys to be in that life she would have handed them over to the company years ago, like Bob did with Elle. I suspect Angela, like Noah, didn't want that for their children. Perhaps that's why she was so hell bent on calling the kids crazy than admitting to them they had a power.

I'd like to think that:

a ) The company are not a bunch of morons who shoot the guy who can't even defend himself but let the guy with 12 or so powers and a guy who can mindread alive. Especially if their intention is to shut their mouth. Especially when they know that shooting Nathan will just make Peter even angrier at them.
b ) Peter is not as dumb as he appears to be in the past few episodes.

I just always thought that Angela was higher up than Bob in the company. (Or her husband was/ is.) That is why the "boys" were never handed over to be experimented upon.

... Besides: Doesn't it appear that Bob only cares about what his daughter can do? Not who she is..

There are 2 points there to consider --

1. Elle's ability manifested early, while both Peter & Nathan only started showing "evolved" abilities in the last 1½ years...
2. Bob's more a middle-management, operations kind of guy, while the senior Petrellis had higher ambitions (and is the push to get Nathan all the way up the political ladder that different from Bob's pushing Elle to (or past) her limits?)

Hmm, sometimes I think Angela is up there. But for someone with a power, she sure look clueless sometimes (ie. she didn't even know that Peter was still alive).

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The media will be Pandora's box, Nathan being shot just shows to solidify what he was going to say, media frenzie, if he lives and does discribe the comany, that would be fuel for Pandora's Box

Even the mighty are "Powerless" sometimes. I adore that she didn't know Peter was alive. And her reaction: When she found out not only was he alive, but taken under the wing of a man man you at one time had helped to become a mad man -- and who you are well aware what is "capable" of. And Nathan turns the other cheek. Ahh, it was gorgeous to watch the beauty that is Cristine Rose.

I just had the thought, 'cause I love that Angela's stab at redemenption was real since she thought she did kill her own son --kinda interesting how out of jail she "may" have snaped right back just as she discovers she didn't actually "kill" Peter. Nathan was shot because of her secrets, but she couldn't stop that. Or something like that. It's early here.

She didnt seem all that surprised when Nathan told her Peter was alive. I have the feeling that she knew it's just that she, like Bob, didnt know where Peter had escaped too. Angela is one of those characters that is never black and white. So who knows if her whole "I deserve to be in jail" stint was a stab a trying to redeem herself or if it was part of her all around evilness.

Even more so since she doesn't mind handing out her son's death sentence if it suits her. Nathan was more then a bit ****** that she had the nerve to tell Parkman that he could kill Peter if need be. There is also whatever hand she had in Nathan attempted assassination. Then for her to pass judgement on Adam when she and Linderman got together to devise a plan to kill a hugh chunk of NYC populace and mentally destroy her "favorite" son in the process. However I still love her becasue of these reason. She's such a shadowy figure.

1) We have no idea when Angela and Linderman found out
A) about the bomb
that Peter would be the bomb.

2) She knew what that virus was capable of, and was told Peter might be trying to release it (knowingly, or not). Is it worse for her to tell him to kill Peter, if needed, or to let him live, and let the virus kill billions, including themselves?

3) We don't know that she passed that judgement on Adam. Adam had help. She may have been that help.

1) Angela and Linderman are the ones who devised the plan of the bomb in the first place, and Peter was always the bomb.

2) I'm not saying she was wrong in her thinking, but the fact that she has no problem letting her sons be offed if it suits is kinda creepy. She had no problem letting her son kill all those people and there really was no guarentee that Peter would survive. She also seemed to have very little problem

3)When I said passed judgement i just meant that who is she to qualify what Adam is doing as wrong when she planned something not to dissimilar from it. Sure her and Linderman's plan wasnt on a global scale of destruction but that plans are pretty much the same. I'm glad that Nathan called her on it too.

1) They obviously had their reasons for this. It's not totally clear of course but if you had to decide between 7% of a city and 93% of the World, I think that everyone would choose the city.

2) Most of the time she seems not to have the decision as if all of this was meant to be. As was spoiled and as we already saw in season two, she is tired, feels defeated and got only a little bit of strength back when she heard peter was alive. She also cared for Nathan and it's not true that she "send heidi away" with any type of "power" like a few on the boards are claiming only because she touched Heidi when she were asking if she can depend on her support or not.
It was guaranteed that peter will survive because of two things: Teds power doesn't affect himself and even if it would, Claires regeneration would save him.

3) In my opinion she is one that have seen it all from better to worse so far. As she already said in the final episode and through what she said through 2 seasons so far, you can see that she believed on Adams doings thinking for the good. However, after he turned out to be Evil, fooled her and the others in the company and tried to release the virus only that he can be a "God", she helped the others to stop him. She even tried to protect victoria (by resisting Matts attacks) which was one of the good ones.

As you can see all in all she is more good than evil but she got herself so deep involved in earlier years that got her paying for the rest of her life. If that's not hard and tiring I don't know what is. :/

As about her children, I think that the reason they weren't taken by the company was that she kept them away from there at the first place.
Additional, even if it's hard to believe by many, she loves her children.

Of course she had to make some hard decisions and willed to rather have her son peter dead instead of 93% of the worlds population but to be honest, I think no matter how much you love someone no matter if its your child or anyone else.
If that person tries to destroy the whole world or at least helps doing it, it's unavoidable.
So as she told Matt: if you can't stop him (change his mind), you need to kill him (so everyone else can be safe). To me it's understandable no matter how hard it was for her to make this decision.
When it comes to Nathan, she was definately not the one involved with his killing.
Even she understood that it was unavoidable, she still suffered.
What she said on the phone wasn't clear if it was a threat (Pandoras Box) or not.

i'll smoke to that



music to my ears (thanks to Dale via Sylar lol)

i was just rewatching episode 123 'how to stop an exploding man' mmkay

when charles was talking to Angela i've noticed this:

Charles: "i see in peter's eyes and i see compassion, empathy but most of all i see hope! The world is not saved on strenght, what it really needs is heart and that's peter"

so maybe this was a hint to tell us that peter is hope that solves all the evil of pandora's box


later on when peter is talking to charles, charles says this:

blablabla
Charles: you needed to hear the truth before you can save the world.
Peter: i save the world?
Charles: you had the power all along, peter. You just needed to learn how to use it
Peter: why me?
Charles: there has to be one that's good ...

what if charles was not talking about the bomb at kirby plaza but about something else...
peter didn't save the world at kirby plaza, it was hiro and nathan but peter did save the world by destroying the virus. he could only destroy the virus if he learned how to use his i'm-gonna-get-nuclair on-your-******-power

what do you guys think

Yeah, I liked where they seemed to be going with that too. They both could host the virus, but Maya spread it and Alejandro absorbed it. That way Sylar would have to kill Alejandro first to gain the ability to absorb the virus, so he could then kill Maya and gain the abilty to spread it without her killing him first. Peter, on the other hand, just needed to come in contact with Maya - absorbing her abilty to host while healing from the damage that it did to his body before he'd fully absorbed the power.

This way only Peter or Sylar could get the power. Sylar because only he would kill to get it. It has to be Peter and not just another power absorber. Unless it was a power absorber that had met someone like Claire or Adam, which begins to narrow it down. So many possibilities - like if they'd each gained the opposite twin's power and needed each other some how.



Anything that re-affirms Peter's oneness is cool. He has such a chosen one vibe about him. Destined to be the most powerful, but we all know that means he'll eventually fall into tragedy.

You know what would be funny?

If after all this guessing and questioning .. the woman doesn't have a power at all.


I could see that happeneing.

Very true. Being the one never does bode well for that person in the end.



I think I mentioned this somewhere upthread but the last thing in Pandora's box was hope and hope is what saved humanity. That whole conversation with Charles and Angela couldn't have been coincidence nor the fact that Peter witnessed it.

I think you are right. Peter is, because he has, HOPE.
Hope is what defeats pestilence and other forms of evil.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe Angela somehow knows that the Villains (Evils from Pardora's box) are comming.

Maybe Angela can see "possible futures".


I agree.

dcg,

That was deep.

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Peter was NOT always the bomb. Future Hiro clearly states that he tried to stab Sylar, but he regenerated and blew up. So, Hiro goes back in time, tells past Peter, "Save the chearleader..." and Peter becomes the bomb and Nathan blames Sylar for it -- History number two aka Five Years Gone. History three is our current storyline: Nathan saves the world and flies Peter away. Angela and Linderman saw a tragedy that was going to happen no matter how much they tried to stop it (look at how everytime the time line changes that sucker still goes off. Time is hard to change and how much would that break your spirit after 30 years of it. They were taking advantage of a terrible situation. They had lost their hope.



Soo agree!

It was his death that send Angela into more dispair and regret. Her actions had killed her son. And as much as she tried to cut her heart out, she just can't.



It's almost like Adam was a cult like figure. Much like with Peter, he prayed on what they wanted to hear and took them in, made them believe in him soo much.

It's tragic and gorgous and sad. She tried to do good only to have it all crumble and her entire family pay. You can see she was trying to save Claire from the madness she brought into her house.:



I thinki this is very important to note. Look at Bob and Claire. One wonders if perhaps one of the reasons she was so hell bent on no one, even her children, knowing what they could do because perhaps it meant the company would come knocking on her door: for them to be company men, just like their father.

Kaito says you have to sometimes cut out your own heart. Angela has lived this life and learned, I'm sure, the hard way how her heart could get in her way. She knows that the bigger picture must be looked at. 93 percent of the world's population against her son's life. You have to choice the world. She knows what that virus can do. She knows after 30 years how things work. She has learned to do what Claire was too young to do: Kill Peter, the one person who understood her, to save the world. What she did was noble, not evil. Its the few times I'll say:Angela was right.



Yes! Yes! Angela is in the mob. The secrets run deep. She knows how this world works. Look how hard she worked to keep her secrets. She can understand why Nathan was killed, but she doesn't have to like it.

Hiro saying that Sylar blew up was before he said anything about him stabbing him and Sylar regenerating. Hiro was under the impression that he was supposed be stopping Sylar from exploding, but he was never the cause for it in the first place. Peter was the bomb in the original timeline but Nathan said it was Sylar and that was what everyone believed. The only reason the Save the Cheeleader... thing came about was because Hiro was convinced that Sylar was the cause for the explosion but he was wrong. Linderman and Angela divised the plan, because they felt that some great tragedy, that was in many ways, inevitable would be good for a world gone mad. They thought they could use it to their advantage, but the 5YG universe showed us that they were wrong. The bomb caused an all out war between people with abilities and regular humans.

He was wrong because history changed. Hiro was there right before Sylar explouded. He didn't hear it from the press. He talks about it. Not only in the episode, but in the graphic novel. Hiro was always there.

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"I stabbed him before explouded, but he regenerated."

And when Hiro tells the same story to his past self, he talks in the first person. Hiro was there, he knows - he just couldn't predict that changing history would make his best friend the bomb.

Here is the timeline, so many people are lossing.

1. Claire is killed by Sylar. Hiro stabs Sylar, but he regenerates and blows up. Hiro teleports out just in time.
2. Hiro time travels back in time. Tells Peter he must save the chearleader. By saving the chearleader, Peter starts a series of events that make him the bomb and NOT Sylar, he has his first dream of the bomb. Nathan blames Sylar and we see the events of FIVE YEARS GONE. All this time Future Hiro is only aware of the events from timeline one. As he asks Bennet, "She's alive isn't she?" He doesn't know.
3. Nathan flies Peter into the sky and saves NYC.



I agree. Sorry, if it looked like I didn't. I just meant they didn't plan the bomb to go off, they planed on as Linderman said, "What happens next." And yes they were wrong, it makes it even more sad and ironic.

Peter was kept in the Company prison with Adam. Do we have any idea how many others might also have been in those cells? And think of this... We saw a touch of Peter's destructive potential when he was just stressed from power overload. Imagine being around him when he was totally lost in grief/anger over the death of his brother. There's enough potential emotion there to trigger a a much much worse meltdown by sending all of his powers into overload.

Imagine Peter going nuclear, radiating lightning, and randomly warping through time...

Goodness, that would be really COOL to see. (am I showing my age?)

As bad as the company is keeping Peter under lock and key at THAT time was smart, wasn't it.

I think that would be awesome as well.

The "Pandora's Box" could be:

• Nathan if they bring him back unscathed.
• Peter seeking revenge
• Claire seeking revenge
• Matt seeking revenge
• Arthur resurfacing to avenge his son's death
• Hiro going back in time to identify the "Flying Man!" assassin
• the attention of private citizens curious about this former congressman elect's untimely death
• the formerly "bagged and tagged" awakening to Primatech's existence
• exposure from investigative reporters working hard to get a story
• all of the above
• something(s) I haven't considered

It will be certainly be interesting to find out what was meant by Angela's comment.

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I so agree. It was the most exciting thing in the cliffhanger to me. As I don't believe that they would ever kill Adrian off, unless he wanted to leave the show and it would not be done as a mid season cliffhanger at the end of an episode. So, the ambiguousness of that comment is very exciting.

i think pandoras box will be the killer of Nathan. I know..its such a stretch guys but cmon. XD!

I just had an interesting thought... not sure if this relates to the whole "pandora's box" thing or whatever, but something I don't think anyone mentioned was Meredith Gordon, Claire's biological mom and Nathan's... ex-lover (or whatever we'd like to call their relationship).
If Meredith gets word of Nathan's assassination, maybe she'll make a comeback and give some butt-kicking-fire-blasting in revenge . Even if she doesn't charbroil anybody, this event could still prompt her return.
I think that'd be very cool if she returned and joined the team.

I'd love to see it, but the actress is on another show on NBC -- Friday night lights. As for Meredith I think she'd cry and be upset, but I don't see her going out for revenege, she's far too paranoid and self obsorved. Of course her paranoia is justified and this could just make her go further into to hiding. Now, if money was involved who knows. I have a feeling good old Mama Petrelli gave that women a big bank role behind Nathan's back and it wasn't just Nathan, "I hated pretty bad back then." I'm sure just like in season one his 'parents' convinced him what the right thing to do was and Angela, knowing people as well as she does knew money was the way to Meredith's heart. I mean Meredith loves her daughter I'm sure, but she used her to get to Nathan's emotions. She didn't have her little bags packed, did she? But, Meredith knew it would tear at Nathan. "Sound familar," She says. Because that's just what she did.

Okay, off topic now. But, I can't wait to see that backstory. You just know Angela had her hands in that one.

GOD! im still p-o'ed that they gave such an awesome power to a character that was only in like 2 episodes. the writers really dropped the ball on that one. ..psh..

Still, Nathan's killer is DEF. gonna be PANDORA'S BOX! lkwjfhlwjkfh! XD!

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[i][b]GOD! im still p-o'ed that they gave such an awesome power to a character that was only in like 2 episodes. the writers really dropped the ball on that one. ..psh..

You don't know if she's coming back and it's not the writers fault she's working on another TV show and or we have seen power dublication already. Don't be worried.

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Still, Nathan's killer is DEF. gonna be PANDORA'S BOX! lkwjfhlwjkfh! XD!

I do think what Angela's means is so up in the air and could go either way, but I don't see how Nathan's killer IS Pandora's box? The person Angela was talking to was either Bob or the killer, we can guess, but who knows. But, someone responsible for Nathan's shooting in some way. IF what they have DONE has opened all the evils onto the world, which is pandora's box, how can that also be that person. I am open to your reasoning, I just need to hear it. [/b][/i]

i just think that once we find out who shot/killed nathan, that that will be the most shocking thing..i.e...Pandora's Box.

Okay, yeah I think the cliffhanger isn't is Nathan dead (he's not) it's who shot him -- all J.R. Style. But, I still don't get it. Pandora's box was a box that held all the evils of humanity, when you open Pandora's box you open an evil onto the world -- a modern definition even states it as consequences brought about by an unwise action.

Who ever shot Nathan, or put the hit (if she is taking to Bob) opened Pandora's box onto themselves and the world. Pandora's box doesn't hold shock it holds consequences, so to speak.

If this was world war one, Nathan would be Franz Ferdinand.(sp?)