I believe some guy said in the boards that Arthur disapeared right about when his sons manifested their abillities. Seeing as though Linderman knew of the equation Niki + DL = Micah, he could have known what Nathan's and Peter's abillity were. So assuming this happend that means he wouldn't want his empath son, Peter to gain his abillity.

BUT, it could have been for a couple of reasons...

- The abillity was so dangerous so being a nice father, he didn't want Peter to have it.

- He was so in love with his abillity and wanted to be the only one to have it.

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In my opinion, he could negate any abillities...like he Haitian but he can hurt them in the process..sorta like kryptonite.

Also that abillity would have dangered the health of Angela, Peter and Nathan.

I really don't think Arthur was a bad person, even though there isn't much evidence saying either way. As for his power, who knows. All we know is that he was very powerful, and was possibly a danger to himself and others.

Well...he did play a vital role in the Company and Bob said he was an very powerful man.

I don't think he paired Niki and DL to get a child with the power to talk to machines, just to get a child with some special powers that he may one day be able to use to his advantage.

From the "War Buddies" graphic novels, it seems he had not manifested, at least at that point in time, though there was a hint at him being lucky, so perhaps he had luck powers. Not really much to go on as to what power he had, there's a lot of mystery about him.

That isn't much to go by. Most people involved with the Company are morally mysterious at best. He may have had a hand in creating it, but left after it became corrupt.

Victoria called him a killer and she should know. And in War Buddies Arthur had a very hard edge to him, "kill the few, to save the many." Yes it was war, but so was the world that the elders fought in. A war mentality is not out of the question for these people to have adapted after thirty years. I think we're going to learn that Arthur was morally grey like HRG and Angela, but far worse. Because, he's already been built up as a saint by Nathan it's due time. But, he did have regret. It was the reason he and Angela were hiding Claire.

In war buddies he breaks his ememies jaw and has Linderman heal him, over and over again. And he had a government issue gun in the house.

And on a lighter note, he didn't like Peter.

Fair enough, but I was hoping that he wasn't villainous. The show is chock-full of villains.

Interestingly enough, the single best person on the show is Charles Deveux.

There's actually not that much villians...Anyway Vol.3 is called Villians...

I was just thinking...Arthur looks exactly like Nathan in that graphic novel. Could they be killing off Nathan, making Adrian Pasdar look older and making him play Arthur? ;o

LInkash,

That's an interesting theory. It wouldn't be necessary to kill off Nathan to accomplish this though.

Now, back to the topic at hand. I've thought and posted earlier in another similar topical discussion, that perhaps Arthur was a powerful IA (intuitive aptitude) HEB. [And, for the record, I also mistakingly considered his being an Empath...oh well...] It would fit with what we know. He didn't appear to have manifested a godsend when we are first introduced to him in the GN. But, Sylar, with IA, didn't appear at first to have manifested either.

He, Arthur, seemed to express extraordinary 'luck' when gambling. What if this 'luck' where an expression of 'skill' represented by his godsend. Certainly, an IA godsend would be applicable here. And, after 30 years, his matured IA godsend would be very powerful; he would be very powerful (regardless of what his godsend turns out to be, according to Linderman). It will be interesting to see what he's capable of (whatever his godsend is)!

Creator

I think the "incredible luck" ability would hold water.

There seem to be hints of this throughout the GN and bits within the show too. I am doubtful that he committed suicide - he was either murdered or is still alive. Someone with incredible luck would be hard to kill.

I'm really hoping for more clarity around The Company founders' powers in the next season. It would seem to fit with the "Villains" theme too!

Creator, Sylar had his abillity long time ago becasue he was always talanetd at fixing watches in godspeed becasue of his abillity.

There us a chance of the luck power though...but most Heroes power is like scientificlly possible (sorta) you know withh all the DNA and everything but how do you have a lot of luck? Is it like in your DNA? I remeber I read an X-Men comic with a kid who was lucky and it was pretty cool, sorta le being inviicble.

So Arthur Petrelli has a built-in passive ability that manipulates probability in his favour, much as his grand-daughter Claire's regenerative ability is passive (passive = always on, no intense concentration nessesary). It might explain the card hand in the vault, the probability ability would come in handy when gambling (making him the "One-armed bandit's nightmare").

It is possible that he didn't like Peter as he didn't want the competition, probably seeing what was coming through Angela. He probably though he was invincible because his passive ability prevented any assilant from shooting straight. When Angela was speaking on the phone, there were two possibilities to who she was speaking to (on equal terms), Bob Bishop or Arthur Petrelli (as Maury wanted them all dead and he is currently sedated).

Kevin,

If Arthur's godsend is IA (intuitive aptitude), it would translate to the uniformed, especially in a game of cards, as luck. You see, Arthur's ability, were it IA, would allow him an advantage over his opponents, even as Sylar has the advantage over his opponents (because he knows how things work...intuitively).

So, I'm suggesting that the godsend that would allow one to intuitively know how things work (IA) could be seen as 'luck' as opposed to 'skill' if applied to games of chance.

Creator

IA involves an intuitive understanding of complex systems, from just knowing that a watch is slow by 2 seconds becuase of a loose part or how an ability works and to steal it.

He sees something and has an intuative understanding of how it works.


Luck/Probability manipulation (if Arthur Petrelli has it) involves changing probability to suit the one who has it, for example, if he doesn't want to be shot by the enemy, it can help prevent a sniper from killing him with a headshot (it would either miss or hit a non-cirtical area) or if he wanted to win at Poker, his ability will make sure that he gets a winning hand.

He wants to do something that can be dangerous and his ability makes sure he survives. It could allow him to guess the correct access code to a security door to get to an area. It could also have two states, 1 - passive, where it helps him without realising it, 2 - active, he learns to focus it to a specific purposes.

RotanevSitnem,

IA involves an intuitive understanding of how things work, from the simplest to the most complex. This would of course include card play and legal problem solving. I suggest that IA could be mistaken for 'luck' and not 'skill'. And, because of that, Arthur's godsend could be (is in the realm of possibilities, but not necessarily is) IA.

Creator

So he's like Han Solo with the Force? sweet. It seems like a stretch at first, but with characters like this one and the lucky kid from X-Men that was mentioned above, not so much. Luck is also a common attribute in RPGs. That would be cool if it was.

Han Solo with the force? Huh? Fill me in here pl0x.

I guess luck and IA is sorta the same.

I'm leaning on luck which could explain the suicide thing...If Arthur really did try to kill himself but his passive abillity didn;t allow him to, he would have grown insane. How would you feel if you tried to kill yourself but you still surive with fatal wounds.

Luck is more manipluating probability that is not always intentionally activated, e.g. Darth Sylar hasn't played Poker yet, he'd know how to play quickly with enhanced memory, but as for what the cards have, it will be more skill of the game for him than probability manipulation, Arthur Petrelli as a lawyer can't always secure the outcome of a case, his ability would aid in that. It would also allow him to access passcode protected doors by punching whatever code he felt like and it would open (Darth Sylar on the other hand would need to use TK, nuclear hands or liquifaction to remove it).

IA is an intuitive understanding of complex systems, from just knowing that a watch is slow due to a loose part to how to gain an ability by radical brain surgery.


If they are similar, they are as similar (or close to similar) as Healing is to Regeneration (the main different in this case is one needs to be intentionally activated).

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Test what?

I guessed it was IA in a different thread like months ago. I was denied ofcourse. I'm glad other people think its IA as well. I meen it makes a lot of sence. I just figured he knowing how things worked he could be anything he wanted. He became a lawyer since he knew how to manipulate the system. He was a natural leader in the war so that would suggest an innate knowing of how things work. Perhaps he is the biological father of Sylar. Yeah I know, Its been overdone, but really it would be fitting. I meen half brothers of course, not twins. It would make Peter question himself. And it would be a reason why Peter doesnt kill him. Anyway I say Papa Petrellis Power is definatly Intuitive Aptitude.

I think Arthur Petrelli had some sort of healing ability, I'm going by what Bob said in the graphic novel: "With her (Claire Bennet) blood, she could be the next Linder or Arthur Petrelli."

I think he meant it in terms of what Claire's power would be, not in terms of becoming a major power player. Linderman and Claire have similar healing powers, Claire's blood even has a healing factor in it, therefore Arthur may have had a healing power too.

Maybe he was a healer. I think bob just ment that she is in the same league as linderman and Aurthur Petrelli. Like Lineage wise, not power. Linderman said he had Great Power. Wouldnt he say he had the same power as me, if Papa P was indeed a healer? I'm telling you, those who say Intuitive Aptitude are very close.

I agree. The founders seem to have a certain higher archy, certain people are looked at as bigger players, leaders. Being a Petrelli, even a Linderman (I hope we meet some of his kids, if he had any -- although it would be interesting if he didn't have any and so he just played chess with everyone else's) is a big honor and a big responsibility. It would seem it was something Angela tried to keep Claire away from and what I believe The Haitian tried to do by taking Peter's memory away. Both Angela and the Haitian said things like "You deserve better, " and "you deserve a better fate. " Being a Petrelli seems to give a person a certain life and a certain destiny. I digress and really that's all major spec.

But, I have to say we have two healers and one who can heal others. Three regenerators if you count Peter, and I do. So, I doubt Arthur is the same way.

I doubt there would be a trio of similar power's (exclusding Peter)

Still leaning on luck though...

If Arthur did have IA, then in a time where people didn't know much about abillities how wuld anyone know he had IA, why not just knwing stuff.

Yeah. I don't reckon Arthur Petrelli is a healer. Luck or IA seem more likely, due to what we've seen in the GN, and I liked RotanevSitnem's idea about the deck of cards we saw in the vault, though we don't even know if the objects in the vault have any significance whatsoever :S

I beliieve a writer said it does.

The golden key was probably Bobs. That dagger thing is going to be Monicas.

Forgot the other objects.

Really?! ! That's extremely interesting... well, if Mr. Petrelli's power is luck, the cards would fit quite well.. What the cards are for is anyone's guess.

One of the girls who do the music said on the powerless commentary, "Look at all the clues." That is the only real reference from the production staff.

Link to The Objects List on Heroes Wiki

Hmmm...I see, I'm going to do some research and post more relevent stuff that has to do with the vault.

I was referring to Han Solo's scoundrel luck. What I meant in terms of the Force is that without it, he's just another lucky scondrel. The Force, or being a Jedi, would make him more superheroy. Its just an analogy. Han is just a lucky hero that comes to mind. Just kind of using him to show the skeptics that a kind of 'super luck' ability is not a something we've never seen before.

Think of it in terms of an RPG. Raise your luck attribute (read: passive ability) you'll get hit less, you'll hit more often, and your attacks won't be blocked as much. If you've ever played KOTOR you'll get it. If your character has high luck attributes, and special skills that augment his luck (Scoundrel class, like Solo), just give him a lightsaber (and Force training of course) to block laser blasts. The ones that get by the blade will miraculously miss, making him virtually unstoppable.

Not a bad ability to have. It would be cool if Arthur's was kind of like that, except he doesn't need a lightsaber or the Force because he has luck beyond that of even the luckiest of scoundrels. So lucky that bullets will miss completely or at least miss vital organs. BTW didn't someone metion that is the way Nathan might live? hmmmm...

Hitting and blocking is dex isn;t? Well in my RPG's it is anyway.

After 5 mins of research I have 1 thing, the brain could be Linderman's. Sorta far fetched but with a power as great as his, why waste it?

Yes it is, but in most RPGs I've played that have luck as an attribute, it says that luck affects all of your skills in some way. I guess in that way IA and luck are very close because the luck attribute affects your ability to fix things too, or salvage, depending on what game you play.

If dex affects hitting and blocking, luck would augment it, along with anything else that involves chance in some way. The special luck abilities are tied to things like making a player 50% harder to hit on top of the dex bonus. Sometimes even the most dexterous can miss by mere chance.



Because Linderman's brain had a huge hole in it? DL wasted it for them.

Maybe it was fixed? Healed? Regenerated?

Chances are the brain is the brain of extremly strong abillity.

I don't know about this. In war buddies, he was sure the person who was all for killing the girl. Doesn't really matter if he has powers or not, he was sure ready to use it. Maybe he just didn't want his sons to take him down. Maybe he didn't want to take the chance that his sons would let the information about their powers out to the public.

Evidence of Arthur Petrelli's capability of amoral behaviour:

* Au Co - had no problems with killing her in Vietnam (even going as far as preventing Linderman from helaing her).
* Linderman - He gave him the idea thjat the ends justified the means, which would lead to the plot to blow up New York.


Evidence against Arthur Petrelli's capability of amoral behaviour:

* Linderman - He told Nathan that his father (Arthur) "was weak", this seems to imply that he started to feel some kind of emotional distress from his actions, as for specifics, I can only guess.
* Angela/Claire - He clearly had some concern for Claire as he and Angela "took steps" to protect her and had made...other arrangements for her, probably knew about her through Angela.

RotanevSitnem

Really great points. I've always looked at this these as keys to what was going on to the Petrelli's One can only guess that Arthur and Angela felt that they couldn't save themselves, but perhaps their children, Peter and Claire out of harms way and, Nathan president and leading the country into a 'better world," could be saved. It is the ends justify the means, but I could see Linderman seeing that has weak, or soft. And I really wonder if A and A, by seeing the errors of (some) of their ways (cause she was still all team go on the bomb) their ways had a back woods agenda going on that perhaps lead to Arthur's death. Which to me is far more interesting then "he's alive and hiding out somewhere, " but I wouldn't stop watching and I'm be into it if he was.

Creator, sign me up for IA. i can see how it works.

If Arthur had IA then he shoudln't be evil. He would have killed his whole family, Linderman, the Company members if he was evil.

LUCKY MAN!

Neither Molly Walker or Peter Petrelli have used clairvoyance to locate him yet, all (at least Peter) they know is that he's dead (Angela isn't known to be an...entirely reliable source of information) did either of them try to locate him? There hasn't been any dialogue where Molly has said "He isn't anywhere" as far as Arthur Petrelli is concerned.

"LUCKY MAN!", oh no, that's probably what Hiro will call Arthur Petrelli, the man who can win at gambling without needing to stop time.

I define Amorality as having little to no problem with performing questionable actions to achieve a short and/or long term goal and don't care what is needed to do it. Arthur Petrelli's former associates started with the best of intentions, but since the problems with the Shanti Virus, it slowly fell apart over 30 years.

Well, we all know that Arthor was all for the "end justifies the means" scenerio. And that doesn't make him Evil. But, who was Angela talking to when she was talking about Pandora's box. Bob, don't think so. Possibly Noah or Arthor. Don't you think it strange that Angela kept changing her story about his death. Isn't it funny that he died after Peter and Nathan was talking about taking him down for what he has done it the past? You don't think these are linking to a bigger agenda or just coincidence?

I doubt hes alive. I think Angela is a good actress, but not that good. Besides, if she wanted to lie to her sons about their father, why would she say he killed himself? It doesnt smell like a lie to me. I think hes dead.

I agree. And it's far more interesting to me if he is dead, but the reason why he was killed, or even killed himself were for reasons we could never imagine. As Nathan said his mother is all about the "half truths."

On the phone, she was talking to someone as if they were of equal status within the company, there are only one founder that are still alive/free from incarcaration, Bob Bishop, the man with many gold statues, changing carbon, iron, calcium and other chemicals into gold. If it's not Bob, it is someone else, since there was no funeral or a corpse, it is possible that he faked his death via some method, the reason why Molly or Peter haven't foudn him using clairvoyance is they weren't looking for him.

Arthur is defintly not dead. There's just to much mystery around him, so much questiosn tghat revolve around him.

Remember whn Angela went to Nathan when he just healed from burning, he spoke about the illness Arthur, Nathan and Peter supposably has. The illness is related to them imagining they have abillities so she warns Hedi of her sons. You see where I'm getting at?

According to the graphic novels Arthur came back from war depressed after being drummed out of the armyfor: spouting "crazy" talk that he couldn't die because this guy named Linderman could heal him. Soooo, part of what Angela is saying is true, I just think we can suspect she's fleshed out the truth into a liefor her own purpose. I don't think it's a for sure that Arthur is dead or not, just that we can guess 99 percent that Angela is lying about how, why and what? Nathan says she just tells "half truths."

Adrian, as of last season, said the dad is Dead and You won't believe who killed him Of course they could have changed their minds, the writers I believe.

Well, that was sorta half true. Linderman wanted Arthur for the Company so Linderman probably thought highly of Arthur for whatever reason, thus if Arthur was shot, Linderman would have healed him...

Also can anyone answer me how Linderman got so rich?

Yes, so Arthur would have seen himself as invinsible. But, if Arthur was dead before Linderman could heal, him (Linderman can't heal the dead) then Arthur could die.



I hope they explain it. When Linderman tells Nathan some of his friends used their power for person gain I always thought he was taking about himself, if he knew it or not. Last season I had this image of linderman using his powers to heal people who came to him, and much like in the godfather, they would owe him and refer him... etc etc. He would of course do it all behind closed doors and create this mobster persona. But, I don't know if that is the case now. Maybe he just had Bob touch some stuff. And the he parlayed it into casinos. From the comic I got the feeling Linderman felt very much pushed around. I could see him pushing the world back and making himself a big deal.

Funny how he never healed Charles though!

That's easy - he owned a casino in Vegas! I guess you're asking if he used his power to help him along the way? Who knows, he may just have been a shrewd businessman - I mean I don't imagine Kirk Kerkorian, Donald Trump or Steve Wynn have any powers...or do they?

Visitor makes a good point about Lindy's motivation to become more powerful (nice theatrical insight again!). Still, it makes you wonder who the others were who "used their power for person gain" - maybe we've never even seen them.