I was just thinking, in Episode 23 ("How to stop an Exploding Man")... both Peter, Micah and Molly were all at Kirby Plaza together (along with Sylar, Niki, DL among others). Could Peter have absorbed Micah and Molly's abilities without knowing. I believe this may have been discussed in the past, and at first I figured that they were too far away (at the other end of the street). But, I remembered today that Peter has DL's power, and I don't remember when else he ran into DL, and DL was in the same area at Kirby Plaza as Micah and Molly. Sooo... do you think Peter has Micah and Molly's powers?

Peter has all the powers of everyone that was at Kirby Plaza, including all the powers that Sylar had at that time. That's what one of the writers stated in an interview. Weather they change their minds about that, I don't know. But as you pointed out, Peter has DL's phasing power, so he should have them all since I don't believe anyone was much further away then DL.

Yes, Peter has Micah & Molly's abilities since they were no further away than DL (whose power we know he has).

I was thinking a different question.
When exactly was Candace rescuing Sylar?

If it was before Nathan flew off with him, he should have Candace's ability too.

Didn't Syalr crawl into the swers then maybe Candice or a company worker got to him.

I'm not so sure about Candace, because she could have come after Peter was hundreds of feet in the air exploding, so he probably doesn't have hers... but I'm really starting to think that he does have Micah and Molly's.

I think Peter has Micah and Molly's powers.

And he should find out pretty quickly that he has Molly's. All he has to do is to think of a person and he knows where they are. Won't he be looking for Nathan's possible killer pretty intensively in Volume 3? He should find him/her no worries!

But Peter didn't even see the black-cap guy. Only Parkman did, and Molly has said herself she needs to know what someone looks like to find them

Then how did she know about Maury and that he could see her when she looked for him?

I don't know. I'd say it's something the writer's overlooked when they had her tell Maya she needed to see a picture of Alejandro to find him. Or maybe he found her first somehow and decided to scare her out of using her ability, realizing it might pose a threat to him.

Did Molly have her ability while she was with the Company, or did she get the virus before they got hold of her? Maybe the Company asked her to find Maury and showed her a picture of him? Or maybe Maury is on the lookout for Heroes like Molly, trying to ensure he can't be found?

I think Peter does have Molly and Micahs abilities.

How did Peter find Victoria Pratt? I think maybe he used Mollys ability but it didn't show it on screen.

Or Adam might have known and concocted some ruse to make it appear he had to find out, for Peter's benefit.

He IS all manipulative like that.

Well, that's annoying! I hope it's in a deleted scene.

I think Adam just knew where Victoria Pratt lived, I don't think the writers would have Peter use an ability we don't know he has off-screen.

But how would Adam know where Victoria lived? He's been incarcerated for 30 years, and wasn't she trying to keep a low profile?

Peter has Molly's ability and demonstrated it by locating Victoria. He has all the godsends of those in the Plaza that day, including Molly and Micah's. He has yet to demonstrate Micah's. He has manifested and demonstrated all of the others (Niki's, DL's, Molly's, Matt's, Nathan's, Claire's...), with the exception of certain of Sylar's powers.

The writers assure us that he has absorbed even Sylar's many godsend up to that point. And, I believe that it's possible he may even have Candice's godsend, as she may have been lurking in wait nearby.

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Peter absorbed the powers of Darth Sylar, Micah and Molly, he just doesn't know how to activate them yet (other than TK from Lord Sylar).

As for Candice / Michelle / Betty Wilmer, how do we know she wasn't right underneath Peter as she did use the sewer to get Sylar out of it (or someone helping her, as per the evolved-normal pairing protocol).

Victoria Pratt's location was either located by Maury Parkman with his telepathy or Peter with an unaired example of clairvoyance.

He hasn't demonstrated Bob's transmutation yet either, he could turn a rusty pipe into a flakey gold pipe or turn titamium into tin (making it easier to punch through and rip apart). The Haitian wasn't near him when Elle stunned him at the hospital and Bob was with her.

RotanevSitnem,

It seems that we are in agreement, for the most part. Moreover, I agree that it is entirely possible that Peter does have Bob's godsend (for the reasons you have offered). Notably, where we disagree is in Peter's use of Molly's power to locate Victoria (unless you are referring Molly's power as the "an unaired example of clairvoyance").

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I still think that Adam knew where she lived. Adam has killed a few of the company's founders since he escaped with Peter, it's quite possible that he may have been able to get one of them to tell him where she lived.

I don't want to accept that Peter used Molly's ability off-screen.

She didnt know what he looked like until Matt showed her a picture of him, but only that someone was looking back at her. Remember all she used to draw were his eyes or I should say a pair of eyes.

It's reasonable to say that the Company asked Molly to find Maury, who is known as an extremely dangerous evolved human. The Company wants to take care of Maury.

Low profile doesn't mean moving to Antarctica. She lived in a small house, relaxing. That seems low profile to me. Adam probably knew where Victoria used to live, and apparently, Victoria still lived there.

Good choice.

I don't like that idea either. Molly's power is a big deal - and if Peter knows he has it that makes him very very powerful. He could technically even look for Caitlin in time and track her down using Hiro and Molly's powers combined.



But that means she could locate him if she wanted to, without having seen him first. I think it's more likely the Company instructed her to find him. But if she can locate someone she's never seen then Peter could find Nathan's shooter.

Cow,

Matt asked Molly to locate the Nightmare Man (Maury) so that he and Nathan could confront him. Adam knew what powers Peter had absorbed (that's why he had him phase them out of the Company's imprisonment). So, we can assume that he also knew about Molly and her power and that Peter had absorbed this godsend as well (apparently, Adam has been fed information about Peter). Better choice.

Creator

Creator - All due respect, I have a little bit of a problem with your logic. I don't think Adam's knowledge of Peter's powers was only due to information he may or may not have been fed from the outside. I firmly believe that Peter, as naive as the writers can make him, would find something a little suspicious with a man he'd never met figuring out one of his abilities before he did himself. Don't you? My thought on the matter is that, in gaining Peter's trust, he probably got Peter to talk about some of his abilities. After all, Peter knew that Adam was hundreds of years old, as evidenced by his comment in "Four Months Ago" regarding how Adam looks good for 400. For all of Peter's bluster, he would have felt, in my opinion, obligated to share his knowledge of some of his godsends with Adam.

On another note, Adam couldn't have been fed information too accurate or up-to-date, as per his surprised comment in "Out of Time" when Peter sent a blast of Elle's bio-electrokinesis at his hand.

I am of the opinion that the writers would not have allowed any scene to be cut that showed Peter using the clairvoyance ability. It causes a huge plot hole, and even the idiots that manage TV these days would recognize the importance of such a scene. I can more easily believe the theory of her thinking her place was a low enough profile, or of Adam torturing the information out of another founder, perhaps.

-Justin

I agree.

Good to know we can agree on something, MrsGoogly. But then again, this should all be answered somewhere down the road, hopefully in season/volume three. Then we'll find out the who and what for real, rather than just speculating

RiddlerHanjinome,

I too have a problem with the idea that the use of a godsend as significant as Molly's was not shown, but your suggestion that perhaps Adam tortured someone does work better (plus, omitting how Victoria was located and leaving it to speculation bothers me).

Peter had only just acquired DL's power. He didn't know DL and wasn't familiar with his godsend (as far as we can tell) and yet during a conversation with Adam while incarcerated, he is asked by Adam to use a power he isn't aware that he has. Now, if Adam still has support(ers) within (moles), and we know he's in contact with Elle (who might even be his new bride) for instance, then there's is a possibility that he was provided current information that would help him make good his escape. Peter having DL's power and Molly's power would be perfect! And, it's 'reason'-able.

There were conversations between Peter and Adam that we, unfortunately, we not privileged to hear. The reasoning for using tk to open the vault. How they would go about finding Victoria. Why they decided to drive and not fly to where Victoria was using Peter's super strength and flight godsends (Peter had recovered his memory by then)...

You may be right. We are, each of us, providing our best guesses, after all. Ultimately, we will just have to wait and see. Thank you Justin, for providing another much appreciated point of view.

Creator

I'd assume that since Maury was working with Adam (as Bob said), then it's possible that Maury knew where Victoria was and gave that information to Adam.

Or Maury was able to get that information out of Angela and may be the only reason he "attacked" her. He wasn't trying to kill her, just looking for info. Angela probably knew that and that's why she told Matt that if he took that information from her then he was just like his father.

maz57 - That is an interesting and (no offense) simplistic theory. I actually hadn'th taken the time to think of that as the motivation for Maury's attack on Angela. Clever.

I like this as well. It makes sense of an otherwise somewhat baffling attack on Angela.

maz57,

I like it! Your theory fits well; and I believe the expression RiddlerHanjinome was looking for was 'it's an elegant solution'. Thank you for adding your well considered thoughts to our discussion.

Creator

That's actually a very good solution to this problem... way to go... I like it.

Hey Creator, the only question I have about your mole theory is that Elle attacked Adam when Elle and the Haitian caught up with them near the docks.

Beez

Beez,

That's a valid question. I believe that Elle went after Adam so that she could cover his escape. She hit him with her lightning knowing full well that it wouldn't, no, couldn't hurt him. Do you remember how unaffected Adam was when Peter hit him with a lightning bolt?

It would have been in her best interest (and Adam's) for her to assign the Haitian to go after Peter and for her to go after her lover. This way she would know that Adam could make good his escape. Because, the other way around would have put the Haitian on Adam and with his fighting skills the Haitian could have subdued Adam (even as he did Peter).

I trust you will find this explanation satisfactory. Thank you for asking.

Creator

In addition to everyone who was present in Kirby Plaza, Peter should also have the powers of Bob, Eden, & the Haitian.

Ok, I can understand Bob's and Eden's...

But please care to explain why you think that the Haitian's power (the ability to block other people's powers) was absorbed using Peter's power.

If Adam was able to locate Kaito Nakamura at the top of the Deveaux building, it stands to reason that Adam has either been keeping track of the ones that locked him up or has gained access to that information through the aid of others (Maury, possibly Elle but unlikely, or someone else that has not been introduced). Peter wouldn't have necessarily used Molly's ability to locate Victoria Pratt although I'm sure he has it.

So far, abilities Peter is unaware that he possesses have manifested instinctually as they have done for others with abilities.

Peter was well within "absorbing range" of the Haitian when he rescused Claude from Mr Bennet and the Haitian on the Deveaux Building roof.

MrsGoogly,

I agree, Peter was definitely within "absorbing range" of the Haitian. To deny this would be to dishonor you and me. For, I too believe this. But, I confess, I don't fully understand the level of control that the Haitian enjoys over his 'gift'. Could he have withdrawn his godsend, making it unavailable to the empath?

The Haitian's gift is very dangerous, a great responsibility even for him. The ramifications of it's manifestation haunt and burden him to this day. If he could prevent Peter's absorption of this extremely powerful and dangerous gift, he would. I'd like to believe he did.

Creator

MrsGoogly,

What if the Haitian can 'cloak' his power (making it unavailable to Peter)?! It could be said that he 'cloaks' the godsends of others, denying them access to their 'gift'. What if he can turn his own power on and off by this cloaking/disconnect strategy. It could explain how he could have denied Peter's empathic acquisition of his power while 'hunting' him atop the Deveaux Building.

Creator

I don't see how the Haitian could have cloaked his power - that's not like anything we've seen him do before.

And Peter absorbs powers even if the user isn't actually using them at the time - his DNA just changes and adapts as soon as he is in close proximity to another Hero. What would be interesting to know is if he could absorb the abilities of someone infected with the Shanti Virus.

MrsGoogly,

I'm suggesting that the Haitian was using his power to cloak it from Peter. The end result of which would be like turning it off, effectively denying Peter access. And, if he can do this, then we will have witnessed his doing it without knowing it.

Creator

One other thin I dont see mentioned much on here is that if Victoria had a power, Peter has that as well; whatever it may be.

Beez,

Excellent observation! I don't remember anyone mentioning that either! Great catch!

Creator

And I'm suggesting that it does not matter if the power is "switched off" - Peter will still absorb it anyway. It's not like the Haitian can remove his ability from his DNA, which is what Peter's sponge absorbs.

MrsGoogly,

Said another way, when the Haitian separates a special from their godsend, it's as if he creates a 'wall' between the special and their godsend, denying them access to their resident power. Now, what if the Haitian could establish that same 'wall' between his own godsend and the empath's underlying godsend, thus denying him/her access to his (the Haitian's) awesome 'gift' while still allowing the empath access to their own powers. This strategy would have effectively allowed for Peter's escape while not allowing Peter to absorb the Haitian's power.

I believe that this localized "switching off" / power access denial (barrier/envelope/force field) may be possible. The Haitian would guard his devastating power from being absorbed by Peter...for it is shielded. Moreover, if Peter had the Haitian's power, it would most likely have come to his defense against the Haitian in "Four Months Ago", much like Matt's absorbed telepathy 'interferes' on Peter's behalf when confronted by Matt...

Creator

So, if Maury already forced Angela to tell him where Victoria was, then why wouldn't she want Matt to know. She knows that Adam wants Victoria dead and if she knew that Maury is working with Adam then she would have told Victoria or Matt. If she told Victoria over the phone then why was Victoria there for Peter and Adam to find. I got the impression that Maury forced her in the past and that Maury was trying to get Angela to kill herself in the Jail cell. Maury also might have made Angela steal to discredit her earlier in season one. Angela said it herself that she promised not to tell where Victoria was.

Now, if Maury made her forget that he took the knowledge then she still would not have been refering to Maury finding out where Victoria was. Any way you have it, if Angela knew that Maury took the knowledge about where Victoria Pratt was, then Angela would have wanted to warn somebody about this or she purposely put Victoria in a position to die. Maybe she wouldn't have wanted Matt to take it from her mind but she would have told him virbally.

PS. I would have to agree that other people knew where she lived. Maury or anybody else that was working with Adam could have figured it out that way tho.

Its simple mrsgoogly. he cant absorb dna, if its being nullified. peter's power isnt tk or all of the others onrs he hasa, they are side effects if you will of his natural power, which essentially is power absorbtion

Then again, thre are a few incidents which are questionable:

* Nathan Petrelli - Las Vegas, Nevada - He didn't stop Nathan from flying away, but that could be explained by that he had orders from someone "higher up" to let him escape (e.g. Angela Petrelli ordered the Haitian to let him go).
* Ted Sprague - Oddesa, Texas - Not sure about this, it is possible that he couldnt dampen the nuclear capability of Ted Sprague if he was being hit by hazardous amounts of radiation, that or he can't dampen abilities that even the user can't control.
* Peter Petrelli - New York City, New York - It didn't seem to dampen Claude's invisibility, nor did he dampen Peter, if he could dampen their abilties, why did he and Noah Bennet need thermal goggles to see them? Also, why didn't it stop Peter from using Telekinesis (and possibly Slow down time)? Peter, by himself, that is understandable as he the same excuse as Nathan, but Peter with Claude...

RotanevSitnem,

It feels like we've been here before, you and I. Yes, with Angela's family the Haitian always acts as her family's protector (this includes Claire, Nathan and Peter). With Ted the reason I've offered before is still my best answer, the Haitian choose not to interfere. So, in each instance, the Haitian acted out of choice to do so.

I completely accept (and love) ColorMeToxic's (CMT's) theory about the Haitian's ability to dampen powers and 'take' memories. CMT is very clever!

Creator