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GoldSeven
I've come across a mention of Peter working in his father's law firm for a while twice now, and I haven't got a clue where it was mentioned. Did I miss something? Could someone help me there?

It does sound out of character. Except maybe he was doing it before he actually knew what else he was going to do with his life.

On the other hand and on second thought, it doesn't look as though Peter was very straightforward in his career. Finishing your education at 26 years of age sounds a bit late in the US. (It would be considered normal or even early in Germany, but I was always under the impression that vocational training in other countries was a lot more straightforward.)

(Asking for a fanfic... wink.gif )
MrsGoogly
Peter told Claude that he had left the family business.

I was never sure whether that meant Peter had studied to be a lawyer - he really does not sem the type. And would he have had the time, considering he finished studying to be a nurse in Six MOnths Ago?
GoldSeven
Ah! Thank you!

That's very interesting - I found the line in The Fix, it's "Left the family business. I'm a nurse now" after Claude says, with a look at Peter's place, "Guy with family connections like yours could do a lot better." Interesting because in the German version, this was translated so something totally different. "Why's a rich kid like you living in such a dump?" [A bit rich, considering that an apartment that size in New York must be near impossible to pay for on a nurse's wages], and Peter replies, "I'm a nurse, not a son", which I really liked but which might have altered things somewhat.

But I digress. wink.gif

After doing some googling, it seems that the education for nurses in the US is three years, four to five if you're going for a sort of advanced , leadership-oriented career in nursing, for which Peter doesn't seem the type either. At what age do you finish school, at 18? You don't repeat a year in the US, do you? The military is not really what Peter would have done either. I was thinking he might have done a sort of gap year for voluntary social work, if that's more or less popular in the US.

I could image that his father had employed him to some degree - not for anything advanced or studied, just for errands, maybe secretary work or something like that, to get him into it, before Peter decided it really wasn't his line of work.
MrsGoogly
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Apr 8 2008, 03:24 AM) *
Ah! Thank you!

That's very interesting - I found the line in The Fix, it's "Left the family business. I'm a nurse now" after Claude says, with a look at Peter's place, "Guy with family connections like yours could do a lot better." Interesting because in the German version, this was translated so something totally different. "Why's a rich kid like you living in such a dump?" [A bit rich, considering that an apartment that size in New York must be near impossible to pay for on a nurse's wages], and Peter replies, "I'm a nurse, not a son", which I really liked but which might have altered things somewhat.


I didn't realise they changed the dialogue so much in translation! Talk about being lost.

I too think Peter was not a lawyer, but was working somewhere in his father's business as an assistant or something. It still probably paid better than being a nurse!
GoldSeven
Assistant sounds better than secretary, thanks. wink.gif (Can't beat the nurse though.)

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I too think Peter was not a lawyer, but was working somewhere in his father's business as an assistant or something. It still probably paid better than being a nurse!
It would account for why his father was so displeased, too.

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I didn't realise they changed the dialogue so much in translation! Talk about being lost.


There were a few instances where the translation really look some liberties with content. The biggest was probably when Simone showed Peter the photograph of the painting Linderman had sent - in German, she says, "I took a digital photo of it", when actually, the photograph had been sent by Linderman. Blessed be DVDs that include the original language format.
Visitor27
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Apr 8 2008, 03:24 AM) *
Ah! Thank you!

That's very interesting - I found the line in The Fix, it's "Left the family business. I'm a nurse now" after Claude says, with a look at Peter's place, "Guy with family connections like yours could do a lot better." Interesting because in the German version, this was translated so something totally different. "Why's a rich kid like you living in such a dump?" [A bit rich, considering that an apartment that size in New York must be near impossible to pay for on a nurse's wages], and Peter replies, "I'm a nurse, not a son", which I really liked but which might have altered things somewhat.

But I digress. wink.gif

After doing some googling, it seems that the education for nurses in the US is three years, four to five if you're going for a sort of advanced , leadership-oriented career in nursing, for which Peter doesn't seem the type either. At what age do you finish school, at 18? You don't repeat a year in the US, do you? The military is not really what Peter would have done either. I was thinking he might have done a sort of gap year for voluntary social work, if that's more or less popular in the US.

I could image that his father had employed him to some degree - not for anything advanced or studied, just for errands, maybe secretary work or something like that, to get him into it, before Peter decided it really wasn't his line of work.


Now, I get where everyone is getting the idea that Peter started to be a lawyer or worked in the law firm. See, it never made sense to me GoldSeven, too. I don't see Peter doing that. I never took that line as literial "I left the family business. I'm a nurse now" seemed to mean he stopped the cycle -- a figure of speech. (and now looking back a bit of a double meaning) Just like when Angela says "and if you choice to come back and join this madness... like I once did." Does not mean Angela went to Paris like she wants Claire too -- she just means she once joined the madness with out having the choice, she's sending Claire to Paris because she never had that -- she never had the chance to grow up before she mad the choice to join it... I use this as an example for I know many, many, people on line think Angela went to Paris before joining The company.

NYU, has a post graduate (as does many colleges, etc) degree in nursing. Peter's age at graduation is in perfect timing for someone who went to College and then got a post graduate degree. Nathan seems to imply Peter has always been like this, "That dreamer in the back of the class, its not cute anymore." Peter even comments to Nathan, "Oh, I make you look good, oh that's a new one." in the pilot. It seems odd to me that Peter would not try his own path, even if at first, in college, he didn't know what that path was -- to just blindly go off and try and be a lawyer. I could see him going to college and no having a major and then instead of going to Law School -- like his father figured he said, "Hey, I'm gonna be a nurse." and MAYBE helping out at the office after school, in high school to make some extra money (some parents no matter how much money they have like their kids to know what its like to have a job) But, really I always saw that line as a figure of speech.
MrsGoogly
I only thought Angela went to Paris because she seemed familar with it. I never really associated her escaping to it from the madness that subsequently sucked her back in.

But I did take Peter's "I left the family business" quite literally. I don't think he stayed very long. But I think he at least stayed a couple of months before deciding it definitely was not for him. I don't think he was ever a lawyer. Much more likely that his Dad gave him a bit of a taster to try and foist it on him.
Visitor27
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I only thought Angela went to Paris because she seemed familar with it. I never really associated her escaping to it from the madness that subsequently sucked her back in.
Well, thats many of the reason I liked you MrsGoogly. smile.gif But, I can't tell you how many posts and fanfic I have seen on the subject: Angela goes off to Paris to think of what do to and make a choice to go with the company or not (rolls eyes)

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But I did take Peter's "I left the family business" quite literally. I don't think he stayed very long. But I think he at least stayed a couple of months before deciding it definitely was not for him. I don't think he was ever a lawyer. Much more likely that his Dad gave him a bit of a taster to try and foist it on him.


Yes, I could see that. But, many fanfic and discussion have Peter actually studing Law and stopping or something and that's just not right in my book. I could see Peter, as a young adult, unsure what he wanted to do working in his father's law firm over the summers, "Take your son to work" day. Etc. I'm sure Arthur tried to ram the law down Peter's throat, or figured perhaps he would fall into line like Nathan.

But, full out, "i'm going to law school -- oh -- nevermind" I just don't see.
GoldSeven
Oh, shoot. I should go back to writing Fantasy. biggrin.gif Not about an educational system I don't have a clue about.

(If anyone feels this is better suited to another forum, please move or rename... to something like "educational system of the US" or something wink.gif)

So, if I want to understand this, you need to start me out at the beginning. Do I understand this correctly, that you finish High School at (?) eighteen and then do four years of college, in which you already do a certain amount of specialization, but nothing that'll actually prepare you for any job? Just things you're good at?

So you leave college at... 22-ish, and then start the job training you actually want?

Okay, so the US system is as un-straightforward as ours, just in a different way. We start job training at 19 (for academic careers), but then it takes us ten years on average because nobody tells you want to do at University. biggrin.gif
RiddlerHanjinome
Well, it can work out that way. Personally, I've been working the last couple of years, not doing school. I'm almost 22 now, and have taken about a semester's worth of college. I'm saving up for the cuilnary arts school I intend to try going to, but for now, just working.

So yeah, Jenny, sometimes it works like that. but not always.
GoldSeven
I'll settle for anything that will sound halfway doable for an American reader. wink.gif

Thanks!
Visitor27
Goldseven:
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So, if I want to understand this, you need to start me out at the beginning. Do I understand this correctly, that you finish High School at (?) eighteen and then do three years of college, in which you already so a certain amount of specialization, but nothing that'll actually prepare you for any job?

So you leave college at... 22-ish, and then start the job training you actually want?

Okay, so the US system is as un-straightforward as ours, just in a different way. We start job training at 19 (for academic careers), but then it takes us ten years on average because nobody tells you want to do at University. biggrin.gif


Really its not a given, nothing is "set in stone."

College is usually four years. Most people actually pick a major - a specialty. You can also have some people, like my brother, who didn't know what he wanted to do when it was time to pick a major so he just picked something, and although helpful to what he ended up doing with his life, wasn't what he ended up doing.

These days many people say that a grad degree is what a college degree use to be and go to grad school. Grad school can be anywhere from two - four years, but on average about three - mine was three.

Now to be a lawyer you have to go to a college and THEN get into Law School. Same with Medical School. I don't think the same is true about nursing, but I mentioned the program I found at NYC was a grad program.

Some people don't even go to college or grad school and just go to a certificate program in their field. I also have friends who are going for their PHD in things they never majored in in college.

Did that help? Feel free to ask me any more questions.


Also, did you get my offline message?

Ps. Ages: High School - 18 College 22 Grad 25 or so
GoldSeven
Hey Visitor, that was very helpful, thanks! The funny thing is that you hear all these terms, majoring and PhD and college and High School and grad school on TV and read them in books, and I never nrought them into any accordance.

I got your note, and it was one of the things that were left lying because I thought, "I don't have time to write a proper reply right now", I didn't mean to ignore you! I'm sorry! smile.gif
Visitor27
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Hey Visitor, that was very helpful, thanks! The funny thing is that you hear all these terms, majoring and PhD and college and High School and grad school on TV and read them in books, and I never nrought them into any accordance.
LOL. I feel the same thing about anything having to do with money or the tech industry. smile.gif

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I got your note, and it was one of the things that were left lying because I thought, "I don't have time to write a proper reply right now", I didn't mean to ignore you! I'm sorry! smile.gif


Aren't you sweet! Well, I look forward to it when ever you get the chance, otherwise we can chat right here. smile.gif
GoldSeven
Sloppy yet sweet. biggrin.gif

Thanks!
GoldSeven
I'll just add this here, as I don't want to open another thread for Petrelli brothers educational research. blush.gif

If Nathan served in Rwanda, Bosnia, and Serbia as a US Navy pilot, what would be the timelines there? I'm not even sure when the US Army was involved in those conflicts. Bosnia and Serbia probably over a longer period of time, and when was Rwanda? 2000, 2002? When do you join the army, if you do? After college? Or could he have attended some sort of military academy that replaced college?

<-- Sorry, clueless biggrin.gif
Creator
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Apr 11 2008, 10:51 AM) *
I'll just add this here, as I don't want to open another thread for Petrelli brothers educational research. blush.gif

If Nathan served in Rwanda, Bosnia, and Serbia as a US Navy pilot, what would be the timelines there? I'm not even sure when the US Army was involved in those conflicts. Bosnia and Serbia probably over a longer period of time, and when was Rwanda? 2000, 2002? When do you join the army, if you do? After college? Or could he have attended some sort of military academy that replaced college?

<-- Sorry, clueless biggrin.gif


GoldSeven,

Here in the States we have military schools at almost every level (middle school, high school and college) ,but there is no substituting them for college. Combining them, yes (e.g., Annapolis or West Point), replacing them...no. And, you can join the service before or after attending college.

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GoldSeven
Annapolis! That's the one! It just struck me, that was in a deleted scene from "Nothing to hide".

Can you give me an exemplary "biography" for these things? Wikipedia states it's an "undergraduate" college; does one go there right after high school, then? When would one attend it, and how long until graduation?
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