So, how does this work?
Peter has met both Claire and Adam and absorbed their powers - does that mean he has double strength regeneration, or can he only absorb one power once even from two individuals?
What happens if he meets West?
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He'll be able to fly like a supersonic Peter Pan! 
No, seriously, I don't think it changes his powers. What Adam can do with his was a kind of evolution with his powers, which happens over time and can't be absorbed. It's been said that Nathan and West have the same core ability, they just use it differently, in keeping with their personalities.
(Hang on, says the Space 2063 junkie inside me, this is beyond cool. Wasn't there a character on that show called Nathan West?)
No, seriously, I don't think it changes his powers. What Adam can do with his was a kind of evolution with his powers, which happens over time and can't be absorbed. It's been said that Nathan and West have the same core ability, they just use it differently, in keeping with their personalities.
(Hang on, says the Space 2063 junkie inside me, this is beyond cool. Wasn't there a character on that show called Nathan West?)
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No, seriously, I don't think it changes his powers. What Adam can do with his was a kind of evolution with his powers, which happens over time and can't be absorbed. It's been said that Nathan and West have the same core ability, they just use it differently, in keeping with their personalities.
(Hang on, says the Space 2063 junkie inside me, this is beyond cool. Wasn't there a character on that show called Nathan West?)
(Hang on, says the Space 2063 junkie inside me, this is beyond cool. Wasn't there a character on that show called Nathan West?)
So now I'm wondering if Peter the empath absorbs a bit of the personality of the original host. Look how creepy and Sylaresque he looked when he used TK on Isaac.
Does Peter only absorb the basic, core ability? I thought he absorbed the power at the stage the original host was at with it. So he can use invisibility, TK and electricity with extreme competence because Claude, Sylar and Elle were proficient in their power-use, but he struggled with radiation and telepathy because Ted and Matt initially struggled with their power. And as Claire and Adam are at different stages in the ability development I wonder if Peter absorbed something different from each of them.
There's definitely a bit of personality borrowing involved as well, we mainly see it when he uses TK, yes. I wouldn't overinterpret that, though. It's just a hint, I think. Probably stronger when he uses Sylar's power.
I like the idea that Peter gets the powers at the same level at which their owners have them. That would explain why Peter upgraded immediately to "mind-reading v. 2.0" when he met Matt in the Company vault. But then, we can't equal level of powers with control over powers, as Peter has definitely less control over things like induced radioactivity, time travel etc when he first uses them.
He does have the same level of control with flight as Nathan at the time, though - although on a different level that again underlines personalities. When Nathan uses flight without control, he just wooshes up and never wanted to Peter just hovers tentatively. I like that.
An interesting thing happens with Isaac's power - his first attempt is a stick figure with a tie, his second is an attempt to emulate Isaac's style but falling somewhat short on anatomy and perspective issues, and then he goes on to develop his own, perfectly artistic style...
To be honest - I think we're giving this more thought here than the writers, so I wouldn't expect any waterproof explanation of the way powers work on the show. A lot is done for effect rather than any conclusive science of powers. And that's fine with me.
I like the idea that Peter gets the powers at the same level at which their owners have them. That would explain why Peter upgraded immediately to "mind-reading v. 2.0" when he met Matt in the Company vault. But then, we can't equal level of powers with control over powers, as Peter has definitely less control over things like induced radioactivity, time travel etc when he first uses them.
He does have the same level of control with flight as Nathan at the time, though - although on a different level that again underlines personalities. When Nathan uses flight without control, he just wooshes up and never wanted to
Peter just hovers tentatively. I like that.An interesting thing happens with Isaac's power - his first attempt is a stick figure with a tie, his second is an attempt to emulate Isaac's style but falling somewhat short on anatomy and perspective issues, and then he goes on to develop his own, perfectly artistic style...
To be honest - I think we're giving this more thought here than the writers, so I wouldn't expect any waterproof explanation of the way powers work on the show. A lot is done for effect rather than any conclusive science of powers. And that's fine with me.
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Apr 23 2008, 12:46 AM) 
There's definitely a bit of personality borrowing involved as well, we mainly see it when he uses TK, yes. I wouldn't overinterpret that, though. It's just a hint, I think. Probably stronger when he uses Sylar's power.
I like the idea that Peter gets the powers at the same level at which their owners have them. That would explain why Peter upgraded immediately to "mind-reading v. 2.0" when he met Matt in the Company vault. But then, we can't equal level of powers with control over powers, as Peter has definitely less control over things like induced radioactivity, time travel etc when he first uses them.
He does have the same level of control with flight as Nathan at the time, though - although on a different level that again underlines personalities. When Nathan uses flight without control, he just wooshes up and never wanted to Peter just hovers tentatively. I like that.
An interesting thing happens with Isaac's power - his first attempt is a stick figure with a tie, his second is an attempt to emulate Isaac's style but falling somewhat short on anatomy and perspective issues, and then he goes on to develop his own, perfectly artistic style...
To be honest - I think we're giving this more thought here than the writers, so I wouldn't expect any waterproof explanation of the way powers work on the show. A lot is done for effect rather than any conclusive science of powers. And that's fine with me.
I like the idea that Peter gets the powers at the same level at which their owners have them. That would explain why Peter upgraded immediately to "mind-reading v. 2.0" when he met Matt in the Company vault. But then, we can't equal level of powers with control over powers, as Peter has definitely less control over things like induced radioactivity, time travel etc when he first uses them.
He does have the same level of control with flight as Nathan at the time, though - although on a different level that again underlines personalities. When Nathan uses flight without control, he just wooshes up and never wanted to
Peter just hovers tentatively. I like that.An interesting thing happens with Isaac's power - his first attempt is a stick figure with a tie, his second is an attempt to emulate Isaac's style but falling somewhat short on anatomy and perspective issues, and then he goes on to develop his own, perfectly artistic style...
To be honest - I think we're giving this more thought here than the writers, so I wouldn't expect any waterproof explanation of the way powers work on the show. A lot is done for effect rather than any conclusive science of powers. And that's fine with me.
Oh, I'm not into the science at all, believe me!
It was just curiosity on my part that Peter absorbs every single power he comes in contact with, so what would that mean for duplicate powers?
Thinking about what you said about upgrading to mind-reading 2.0, maybe that's what happens? Peter takes on the most advanced version of the power he comes across. So if he met Maury he'd be more powerful than Matt. But what happens if he then meets Matt again and absorbs a lower grade of the power?
"Are you sure you want to delete mind-reading v. 2.0 and all of its components? - Yes - No"
I'd say he keeps the highest level of it, once he's got it.
I'd say he keeps the highest level of it, once he's got it.
In interviews, it's been stated that he absorbs the "raw material"...
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...
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Craig continues, “Also, regarding Peter, it seems he can see the future more easily than Isaac, as he doesn't need to paint it. Does he have the ability to ‘pick up' the person's ultimate ability, even if that person hasn't perfected it yet? And how long can he keep that ability - can he still read minds like Matt? Has he picked up Hiro's powers yet?”
This is Craig Byrne, isn't it? The famous host of Herosite.net. We love ya brother. The hunted becomes the hunter. As best as we know, Peter picks up the raw material, if you will, of the ability. What he will do with that ability, or what that ability does with Peter remains to be seen.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9255
This is Craig Byrne, isn't it? The famous host of Herosite.net. We love ya brother. The hunted becomes the hunter. As best as we know, Peter picks up the raw material, if you will, of the ability. What he will do with that ability, or what that ability does with Peter remains to be seen.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9255
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B.K. has a certain attention to detail, doesn't he? Landman checks in again this week with a handful of questions and before he got to his question he offered up a big thanks for doing this Q&A week in and week out. "When Peter met Hiro from the future, Hiro's powers were much more advanced than they currently are, so the question is does Peter absorb powers at full potential when he meets someone or only to the extent that the hero understands his power, if at all?" Interesting. By this thinking, is it possible Peter already has Hiro's powers at the height of his abilities?
A big "you're welcome" to your big thank you. Week in and week out, it's been our pleasure. We mentioned last week about Peter inheriting, for lack of a better word, the "raw material" of someone's abilities. So, if we're not full of it, meeting Future Hiro and regular Hiro might yield the same effect. So Peter, probably has Hiro's abilities in a less developed form than present Hiro - since he has not practiced with them. In fact, he might not even realize he has them.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9389
A big "you're welcome" to your big thank you. Week in and week out, it's been our pleasure. We mentioned last week about Peter inheriting, for lack of a better word, the "raw material" of someone's abilities. So, if we're not full of it, meeting Future Hiro and regular Hiro might yield the same effect. So Peter, probably has Hiro's abilities in a less developed form than present Hiro - since he has not practiced with them. In fact, he might not even realize he has them.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9389
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...
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Julia from Pennsylvania thinks she's figured out Peter's abilities. "This last episode got me thinking about how Peter's power might work. After Peter pinned Will to the wall, he got a disturbing look in his eyes ALA Sylar. While using powers absorbed from Sylar, he began to act like Sylar. Is it possible that along with absorbing the powers of others, he could also be absorbing their skills with those powers as well as their personalities? When using telekinesis, maybe he gets Sylar's bloodlust. When tapping into Isaac's power, he also taps into Isaac's skill as a painter. Am I on to something?"
Does Julia get the Dark Knight Detective award of the week?
Julia is tapping into something very close to what we want to do with Peter - so she's a bit of an empath herself.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11712
If he also "absorbs their personalities," what does that mean when he comes across someone else with the same power, which he's done? Does he also absorb something from them - personality-wise, even if he already has the power? If he can't really absorb the power from someone, as he already has it, does he no longer absorb something from their personality?
Does Julia get the Dark Knight Detective award of the week?
Julia is tapping into something very close to what we want to do with Peter - so she's a bit of an empath herself.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11712
QUOTE (prander @ Apr 23 2008, 08:23 AM)
In interviews, it's been stated that he absorbs the "raw material"...
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...If he also "absorbs their personalities," what does that mean when he comes across someone else with the same power, which he's done? Does he also absorb something from them - personality-wise, even if he already has the power? If he can't really absorb the power from someone, as he already has it, does he no longer absorb something from their personality?
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...If he also "absorbs their personalities," what does that mean when he comes across someone else with the same power, which he's done? Does he also absorb something from them - personality-wise, even if he already has the power? If he can't really absorb the power from someone, as he already has it, does he no longer absorb something from their personality?
prander,
Another great and insightful question. I think that if when Peter captures (and stores) a power he is influenced by the personality of its donor, that eventually and ultimately, it will be his own personality which will flow throught the power conduit of the godsends he calls forth. He will and does make them his own.
Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Apr 23 2008, 12:04 PM)
Another great and insightful question. I think that if when Peter captures (and stores) a power he is influenced by the personality of its donor, that eventually and ultimately, it will be his own personality which will flow throught the power conduit of the godsends he calls forth. He will and does make them his own.
To what degree, though? That would seem to be the $1,000,000 question.For example, he's absorbed more powers from Sylar than anyone and he's used those powers quite a bit, but we've seen him be "Sylar-like" only once. Though, maybe we'll see more of Sylar in him and see him cross over to the "dark side" more.
Maybe a "personality absorption" will work like the "power absorption". Perhaps he may have to go through an initial "unconscious incompetency" to learn how to integrate personality aspects into his own or something along those lines?
QUOTE (prander @ Apr 23 2008, 09:26 AM)
To what degree, though? That would seem to be the $1,000,000 question.
For example, he's absorbed more powers from Sylar than anyone and he's used those powers quite a bit, but we've seen him be "Sylar-like". Though, maybe we'll see more of Sylar in him and see him cross over to the "dark side" more.
Maybe a "personality absorption" will work like the "power absorption". Perhaps he may have to go through an initial "unconscious incompetency" to learn how to integrate personality aspects into his own or something along those lines?
For example, he's absorbed more powers from Sylar than anyone and he's used those powers quite a bit, but we've seen him be "Sylar-like". Though, maybe we'll see more of Sylar in him and see him cross over to the "dark side" more.
Maybe a "personality absorption" will work like the "power absorption". Perhaps he may have to go through an initial "unconscious incompetency" to learn how to integrate personality aspects into his own or something along those lines?
prander,
I maintain that it is Peter's very nature (love) through which these absorbed powers and any remnants of the personalities collected along with them will ultimately be filtered. Just like all of us, Peter is at choice and again and again he chooses love. For love, true love, conquers all...and that is the $1,000,000 answer.
Creator
QUOTE (prander @ Apr 23 2008, 08:23 AM)
In interviews, it's been stated that he absorbs the "raw material"...
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...If he also "absorbs their personalities," what does that mean when he comes across someone else with the same power, which he's done? Does he also absorb something from them - personality-wise, even if he already has the power? If he can't really absorb the power from someone, as he already has it, does he no longer absorb something from their personality?
However, I think this raises interesting points / questions as to whether he absorbs something in regards to personalities. That I know of, there's been a bit that's been stated about this in interviews...If he also "absorbs their personalities," what does that mean when he comes across someone else with the same power, which he's done? Does he also absorb something from them - personality-wise, even if he already has the power? If he can't really absorb the power from someone, as he already has it, does he no longer absorb something from their personality?
I think it's interesting that Peter's level control over a power reflects the level of control the original holder had. If he does just accept the "raw material" then the personalities must influence him in a big way. So much more complicated than the way Sylar does things!
Back on the double dose thing.
Zachary Quinto said that the reason Peter exploded in Kirby Plaza was because he received all of Sylar's powers and some new ones from Niki, Micah, Molly and DL - the overload caused him to go BOOM! In a way this makes sense to me, because Peter would have received another dose of the radiation power from Sylar on top of what he had already absorbed from Ted, which is the most unstable power out there, and so this was the one that surfaced, took over and he could not control (having admirably contained it not twelve hours earlier).
Sorry if that makes any sense!
Zachary Quinto said that the reason Peter exploded in Kirby Plaza was because he received all of Sylar's powers and some new ones from Niki, Micah, Molly and DL - the overload caused him to go BOOM! In a way this makes sense to me, because Peter would have received another dose of the radiation power from Sylar on top of what he had already absorbed from Ted, which is the most unstable power out there, and so this was the one that surfaced, took over and he could not control (having admirably contained it not twelve hours earlier).
Sorry if that makes any sense!
QUOTE (MrsGoogly @ May 15 2008, 12:22 AM)
Back on the double dose thing.
Zachary Quinto said that the reason Peter exploded in Kirby Plaza was because he received all of Sylar's powers and some new ones from Niki, Micah, Molly and DL - the overload caused him to go BOOM! In a way this makes sense to me, because Peter would have received another dose of the radiation power from Sylar on top of what he had already absorbed from Ted, which is the most unstable power out there, and so this was the one that surfaced, took over and he could not control (having admirably contained it not twelve hours earlier).
Sorry if that makes any sense!
Zachary Quinto said that the reason Peter exploded in Kirby Plaza was because he received all of Sylar's powers and some new ones from Niki, Micah, Molly and DL - the overload caused him to go BOOM! In a way this makes sense to me, because Peter would have received another dose of the radiation power from Sylar on top of what he had already absorbed from Ted, which is the most unstable power out there, and so this was the one that surfaced, took over and he could not control (having admirably contained it not twelve hours earlier).
Sorry if that makes any sense!
That makes total sense.
MrsG and TheEmpath,
Peter does not absorb the same power twice (three, four, five...times either). There is no double dosing.
Peter became unstable in the Plaza because of two reasons; he had not yet mastered his original gift (EM) while absorbing those previously mentioned powers (except for ones previously absorbed and those 'at-will' powers not in use and therefore not available for absorption at the time) plus (most probably) Candice's awesome power (becoming physically unstable) and he panicked (and so was also emotionally 'unstable').
Thus, Peter was both overwhelmed with power and overwhelmed with fear; the combination of which lead to his becoming critically unstable and BOOM!
Creator
Peter does not absorb the same power twice (three, four, five...times either). There is no double dosing.
Peter became unstable in the Plaza because of two reasons; he had not yet mastered his original gift (EM) while absorbing those previously mentioned powers (except for ones previously absorbed and those 'at-will' powers not in use and therefore not available for absorption at the time) plus (most probably) Candice's awesome power (becoming physically unstable) and he panicked (and so was also emotionally 'unstable').
Thus, Peter was both overwhelmed with power and overwhelmed with fear; the combination of which lead to his becoming critically unstable and BOOM!
Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 02:58 AM)
except for ones previously absorbed and those 'at-will' powers not in use and therefore not available for absorption at the time
The very existence of a power means he can absorb it. There is no hint that his ability goes "oops, that one's not being used right now" and refuses to grab it.
Instead, we have every indication that he routinely grabs every ability he comes into contact with.
For immediate, verifiable, proof of that, watch when he absorbs Ted's ability. The man is doing nothing, but Peter immediately absorbs and begins to lose control of his ability.
ETA:
I understand it's something you disagree with and don't particularly like. However, you continue to argue directly against what the very writers flatly stated about the nature of Peter's gift.
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Julia from Pennsylvania thinks she's figured out Peter's abilities. "This last episode got me thinking about how Peter's power might work. After Peter pinned Will to the wall, he got a disturbing look in his eyes ALA Sylar. While using powers absorbed from Sylar, he began to act like Sylar. Is it possible that along with absorbing the powers of others, he could also be absorbing their skills with those powers as well as their personalities? When using telekinesis, maybe he gets Sylar's bloodlust. When tapping into Isaac's power, he also taps into Isaac's skill as a painter. Am I on to something?"
Does Julia get the Dark Knight Detective award of the week?
Julia is tapping into something very close to what we want to do with Peter - so she's a bit of an empath herself.
Does Julia get the Dark Knight Detective award of the week?
Julia is tapping into something very close to what we want to do with Peter - so she's a bit of an empath herself.
Like it or not, the writers agreed with the essence of the question. Which means...in this case...you're wrong to argue against it.
Synch,
I no longer take you seriously.
Peter absorbed Ted's 'always on' power (vs. Peter's and Sylar's many 'at-will' powers). Seek first to understand...
Creator
I no longer take you seriously.
Peter absorbed Ted's 'always on' power (vs. Peter's and Sylar's many 'at-will' powers). Seek first to understand...Creator
Out of curiosity...
Has there ever been any confirmation from writers, actors, or anyone involved in the show that there is a difference between "at-will", "always on", and et cetera? Don't bother replying with "it's common sense". I am simply wondering if there is any canonical confirmation of a difference, or of Peter only absorbing "active" and "always on" powers.
I'm of the same mind as Synch in that Peter absorbs all abilities, not just those in use or "always on". Indeed, the writers told us in a Behind The Eclipse interview that Peter had absorbed all of Sylar's powers as of their confrontations. They did not say that he only absorbed any powers Sylar may have been using, or that were "always on", but that he had absorbed [b]all[/b[ of Sylar's powers. Which implies that proximity to any ability allows for empathic mimicry and absorption, not just those that are currently in use.
Furthermore, I've yet to be convinced that Ted's ability was, by the time Peter met him, constantly on. With such a destructive and violent ability, I believe that if it had been an "always on" ability, he would have had a lot more problems. I believe that prior to Hana tracking him down, he'd had little control of his ability, thus resulting in his wife's cancer and subsequent death.
Shortly before Hana finding him, however (and since then), I believe he acquired enough control of his ability to "turn it off". For evidence of this, notice that he wasn't emanating radioactivity prior to his electromagnetic pulse in Primatech. Nor, aside from intentionally doing so, at the Bennet house before that, until he was shot. Even then, I believe it was predominantly his anger and recent frequent use of his power that led him to go out of control in the manner with which he did.
-Justin
Has there ever been any confirmation from writers, actors, or anyone involved in the show that there is a difference between "at-will", "always on", and et cetera? Don't bother replying with "it's common sense". I am simply wondering if there is any canonical confirmation of a difference, or of Peter only absorbing "active" and "always on" powers.
I'm of the same mind as Synch in that Peter absorbs all abilities, not just those in use or "always on". Indeed, the writers told us in a Behind The Eclipse interview that Peter had absorbed all of Sylar's powers as of their confrontations. They did not say that he only absorbed any powers Sylar may have been using, or that were "always on", but that he had absorbed [b]all[/b[ of Sylar's powers. Which implies that proximity to any ability allows for empathic mimicry and absorption, not just those that are currently in use.
Furthermore, I've yet to be convinced that Ted's ability was, by the time Peter met him, constantly on. With such a destructive and violent ability, I believe that if it had been an "always on" ability, he would have had a lot more problems. I believe that prior to Hana tracking him down, he'd had little control of his ability, thus resulting in his wife's cancer and subsequent death.
Shortly before Hana finding him, however (and since then), I believe he acquired enough control of his ability to "turn it off". For evidence of this, notice that he wasn't emanating radioactivity prior to his electromagnetic pulse in Primatech. Nor, aside from intentionally doing so, at the Bennet house before that, until he was shot. Even then, I believe it was predominantly his anger and recent frequent use of his power that led him to go out of control in the manner with which he did.
-Justin
Justin,
By definition (mine) aboriginal powers are always-on powers. I don't expect the writers to create our forum for us.
Creator
By definition (mine) aboriginal powers are always-on powers. I don't expect the writers to create our forum for us.
Creator
Can you explain to me what you mean by aboriginal? My knowledge of the definition of that word would imply that you meant "original to the owner" in this context, and we know that not everybody is constantly using their power
Justin,
That's a reasonable request. Ab-original (always on) powers are those powers that are allways available and need not be called up...powers like Sylar's IA, Peter's EM and Claire's CR would be always on powers. In the case of certain other powers, aboriginal/original to a host HEB, Peter would (as would Gabriel) have to call upon to access (pull out of the 'filing cabinet' so to speak). [NOTE: I see CR, EM and IA as exceptions to this rule, and therefore always on, period.]
I felt that this conversation was so significant that I started a topic about it...remember? I welcome you thoughts about these differences (always-on vs. at-will powers). For, undeniably, Peter must call upon certain of his mosiac DNA stored/filed powers, even if unconsciously.
Creator
That's a reasonable request. Ab-original (always on) powers are those powers that are allways available and need not be called up...powers like Sylar's IA, Peter's EM and Claire's CR would be always on powers. In the case of certain other powers, aboriginal/original to a host HEB, Peter would (as would Gabriel) have to call upon to access (pull out of the 'filing cabinet' so to speak). [NOTE: I see CR, EM and IA as exceptions to this rule, and therefore always on, period.]
I felt that this conversation was so significant that I started a topic about it...remember? I welcome you thoughts about these differences (always-on vs. at-will powers). For, undeniably, Peter must call upon certain of his mosiac DNA stored/filed powers, even if unconsciously.
Creator
Thank you for indulging me, Creator. By your definition, yes, I see what you're saying.
I do still feel, however, that once he worked to gain control of it, Ted's ability was "at-will" (for those who care about the classification). This does go against the semi-prevalent theory I've seen of Peter only absorbing abilities in use, but I'd never agreed with that anyway. Refer to my comment in my last post as to Peter's absorption from Sylar.
I do still feel, however, that once he worked to gain control of it, Ted's ability was "at-will" (for those who care about the classification). This does go against the semi-prevalent theory I've seen of Peter only absorbing abilities in use, but I'd never agreed with that anyway. Refer to my comment in my last post as to Peter's absorption from Sylar.
I wish the writers would show Peter using one of Sylar's abilities other than TK- just to confirm that he did get all of hte powers.
We know Peter doesn't just absorb abilities in use because we've seen him use DL's power.
We know Peter doesn't just absorb abilities in use because we've seen him use DL's power.
QUOTE (RiddlerHanjinome @ Sep 13 2008, 05:12 AM)
Thank you for indulging me, Creator. By your definition, yes, I see what you're saying.
I do still feel, however, that once he worked to gain control of it, Ted's ability was "at-will" (for those who care about the classification). This does go against the semi-prevalent theory I've seen of Peter only absorbing abilities in use, but I'd never agreed with that anyway. Refer to my comment in my last post as to Peter's absorption from Sylar.
I do still feel, however, that once he worked to gain control of it, Ted's ability was "at-will" (for those who care about the classification). This does go against the semi-prevalent theory I've seen of Peter only absorbing abilities in use, but I'd never agreed with that anyway. Refer to my comment in my last post as to Peter's absorption from Sylar.
Justin,
This is why I have suggested that Peter absorbs only those powers both within his reach and available for absorption.
Creator
What do you mean by "available for absorption"?
QUOTE (MrsGoogly @ Sep 13 2008, 05:16 AM)
I wish the writers would show Peter using one of Sylar's abilities other than TK- just to confirm that he did get all of hte powers.
We know Peter doesn't just absorb abilities in use because we've seen him use DL's power.
We know Peter doesn't just absorb abilities in use because we've seen him use DL's power.
MrsG,
The distinction is not 'in use' but rather 'available' (called upon or always on) plus within Peter's radius of absorption. There is method to my madness
...Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 06:28 AM)
MrsG,
The distinction is not 'in use' but rather 'available' (called upon or always on) plus within Peter's radius of absorption. There is method to my madness ...
Creator
The distinction is not 'in use' but rather 'available' (called upon or always on) plus within Peter's radius of absorption. There is method to my madness
...Creator
I think I'm going to need further clarification, if you don't mind!
With the exception of the Haitian's ability, and anyone with the Shanti virus or maybe using "Haitian pills", or if Peter himself was under the influence of any of the aforementioned, I don't see any other abilities that Peter wouldn't absorb if he was near enough to the person - whether they were using them or not.
MrsG,
Normally, I'd be in complete agreement with you. But, if you remember, Peter's collection of 'at-will' powers is filed away...accessable through the proper use of his filing cabinet. I've also hypothesized that Gabriel has developed a similar strategy for the management (storage and retrieval) of his 'at-will' powers collection. I believe that unless Sylar has called the power forth, it is not manifested and available for absorption.
Creator
Normally, I'd be in complete agreement with you. But, if you remember, Peter's collection of 'at-will' powers is filed away...accessable through the proper use of his filing cabinet. I've also hypothesized that Gabriel has developed a similar strategy for the management (storage and retrieval) of his 'at-will' powers collection. I believe that unless Sylar has called the power forth, it is not manifested and available for absorption.
Creator
So you think Peter has only absorbed TK from Sylar?
QUOTE (MrsGoogly @ Sep 13 2008, 05:47 AM)
So you think Peter has only absorbed TK from Sylar?
MrsG,
Exactly (from among his 'at-will') powers. I do believe he (Pete) has IA.
Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 06:52 AM)
MrsG,
Exactly (from among his 'at-will') powers. I do believe he (Pete) has IA.
Creator
Exactly (from among his 'at-will') powers. I do believe he (Pete) has IA.
Creator
Even though the writers have said that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's powers?
Personally, I hope he hasn't. But that's what they've said.
QUOTE (MrsGoogly @ Sep 13 2008, 06:24 AM)
Even though the writers have said that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's powers?
Personally, I hope he hasn't. But that's what they've said.
Personally, I hope he hasn't. But that's what they've said.
MrsG,
We shall see...
Creator
Just throwing this out. I believe this is the interview in which it's stated that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's "stolen" powers. It should be the first question, if I'm remembering correctly.
Wizard World 2007 - Heroes Q&A Session
Wizard World 2007 - Heroes Q&A Session
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 04:55 AM)
If I was under the impression any longer that you ever took any opinion and theory but your own seriously, I might be insulted by that comment.
As it is...feel free to continue arguing directly against what is confirmed both within the show and in interviews with the writers. I'm no longer interested in this discussion with you.
I will throw this out: An always on ability is precisely that. It's always on. Ted was not "on" when Peter encountered him.
And, you're now going to be required to argue even more directly against the writers. Because the linked interview, as mentioned, directly and flatly states that Peter absorbs all Sylar's abilities- not just the ones being used.
So it's not "we shall see." It's "we have seen, and been told."
Will you, finally, admit you were wrong about this one thing? Or will you continue to argue against it since it hasn't been proven "in show" to you?
Synch,
Start a topic and create the underlying assumptions. Get it?
Creator
Start a topic and create the underlying assumptions. Get it?
Creator
Regarding the Double Dosing of powers (which is the point of this thread, is it not?), I agree that we have no reason to believe it's even possible. Everything we've seen says that he gets the ability one time only, and that he gets the baseline ability. We also have no reason to believe that he gets the "Mark 2" of an ability if the originator has improved.
Improvement is up to Peter once he has the ability.
Improvement is up to Peter once he has the ability.
prander,
I so wanted Peter to have all of Sylar's powers. And, I originally supported that position (even before comments on same were made by the writers. I yearned for that to be the outcome and was elated to see the writers apparently support that position.
But, with time and some persuasion I was able to envision the possibility that Peter absorbed Sylars powers only if available (his native power of IA and the at-will powers he had summoned while in Peter's presence).
Now, this may or may not be the situation. But, after much thought, observation and two seasons of experience...it seems to work. Know that I respect your position even as I respect your well-thought out responses. Therefore, acknowledging how we presently think about the subject I ask for your patience until such time as we see how this matter is resolved on the show itself...hopefully soon.
Thank you in advance for your consideration...
Creator
Outstanding! There is hope for us yet . Be well, Synch.
Creator
I so wanted Peter to have all of Sylar's powers. And, I originally supported that position (even before comments on same were made by the writers. I yearned for that to be the outcome and was elated to see the writers apparently support that position.
But, with time and some persuasion I was able to envision the possibility that Peter absorbed Sylars powers only if available (his native power of IA and the at-will powers he had summoned while in Peter's presence).
Now, this may or may not be the situation. But, after much thought, observation and two seasons of experience...it seems to work. Know that I respect your position even as I respect your well-thought out responses. Therefore, acknowledging how we presently think about the subject I ask for your patience until such time as we see how this matter is resolved on the show itself...hopefully soon.
Thank you in advance for your consideration...
Creator
QUOTE (Synch @ Sep 13 2008, 11:27 AM)
Regarding the Double Dosing of powers (which is the point of this thread, is it not?), I agree that we have no reason to believe it's even possible. Everything we've seen says that he gets the ability one time only, and that he gets the baseline ability. We also have no reason to believe that he gets the "Mark 2" of an ability if the originator has improved.
Improvement is up to Peter once he has the ability.
Improvement is up to Peter once he has the ability.
Outstanding! There is hope for us yet
. Be well, Synch.Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 01:52 PM)
I ask for your patience until such time as we see how this matter is resolved on the show itself...hopefully soon.
In other words, confirmation from the writers means nothing? I'm seriously confused here.
I'm as stubborn as they come when it comes to holding tightly to a "pet" theory. But even I will admit to being wrong when confirmation comes from the writers.
QUOTE (Synch @ Sep 13 2008, 11:02 AM)
In other words, confirmation from the writers means nothing? I'm seriously confused here.
I'm as stubborn as they come when it comes to holding tightly to a "pet" theory. But even I will admit to being wrong when confirmation comes from the writers.
I'm as stubborn as they come when it comes to holding tightly to a "pet" theory. But even I will admit to being wrong when confirmation comes from the writers.
Yes, Synch (or should I say "seriously confused"). You do understand. For, in-deed (and therefore, in thought...we are quite different (thank goodness!
) you and I). So, you just concentrate on being you. I'm just fine being me. If my convictions upset you...so be it. Besides, time will tell if I was right or not. And, that's good enough pour moi.
Creator
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 01:52 PM)
I so wanted Peter to have all of Sylar's powers.
[...]
Now, this may or may not be the situation. But, after much thought, observation and two seasons of experience...it seems to work. Know that I respect your position even as I respect your well-thought out responses. Therefore, acknowledging how we presently think about the subject I ask for your patience until such time as we see how this matter is resolved on the show itself...hopefully soon.
Thank you in advance for your consideration...
Yes, I did consider this at one time. You were the one that brought it up with very well thought out arguments and stuff. Otherwise, it never would've even crossed my mind.[...]
Now, this may or may not be the situation. But, after much thought, observation and two seasons of experience...it seems to work. Know that I respect your position even as I respect your well-thought out responses. Therefore, acknowledging how we presently think about the subject I ask for your patience until such time as we see how this matter is resolved on the show itself...hopefully soon.
Thank you in advance for your consideration...
But, if the writers come out and say that Peter can absorb / has absorbed all of Sylar's "stolen" powers, no amount of fan thought, observation and experience makes anything else work. What the writers say goes and the matter is resolved. Before I watched the interview I just posted, I did seriously consider your ideas on this, but not after.
QUOTE (Synch @ Sep 13 2008, 02:02 PM)
In other words, confirmation from the writers means nothing? I'm seriously confused here.
I'm as stubborn as they come when it comes to holding tightly to a "pet" theory. But even I will admit to being wrong when confirmation comes from the writers.
I'm confused as well.I'm as stubborn as they come when it comes to holding tightly to a "pet" theory. But even I will admit to being wrong when confirmation comes from the writers.
I don't get how a fan's speculation can trump the writers...
QUOTE (Creator @ Sep 13 2008, 02:32 PM)
What confuses me is that the writers are saying 2+2=4 and you're sitting here saying "Nuh uh, 2+2=5 because I don't like 4."
QUOTE (prander @ Sep 13 2008, 02:43 PM)
Yeah, I considered it for a while during S1 too. It was one of the few limitations to Peter's power that had been brought up that I liked.
But...then the writers said "Peter has all Sylar's powers." Kind of shot the idea out of the water.
Hey Snych!
I've got your 2+2 right here, Buddy!
Creator
I've got your 2+2 right here, Buddy!
Creator
The writers have said that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's powers, but since I don't believe anything other than TK has been shown on the show it still leaves the option open for the writers to change their minds about that and have it so Peter will only get powers from Sylar when he uses them.
So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
QUOTE (maz57 @ Sep 13 2008, 05:28 PM)
The writers have said that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's powers, but since I don't believe anything other than TK has been shown on the show it still leaves the option open for the writers to change their minds about that and have it so Peter will only get powers from Sylar when he uses them.
So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
maz57,
That was most diplomatic of you. Bravo! I am very aware of what the writers presented us with (S1) when asked the question about Peter and Sylar's powers.
As mentioned previously, I really wanted to believe that Peter had acquired all of Sylar's powers and was delighted to hear that he had. But, as time moved on and as I observed and thought about it more, I began to re-examine that position.
Now I believe that there is the very real possibility that Peter has not acquired all of Sylar's powers and have discussed my reasoning at length elsewhere on the board.
Like you, I have imagined that the writers may have changed their original decision and chosen to take another path. I may be wrong but it's a chance I'm quite willing to take.
Thank you for advancing the discussion.
Creator
QUOTE (maz57 @ Sep 13 2008, 07:28 PM)
The writers have said that Peter has absorbed all of Sylar's powers, but since I don't believe anything other than TK has been shown on the show it still leaves the option open for the writers to change their minds about that and have it so Peter will only get powers from Sylar when he uses them.
So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
Understood, and I agree. It's definitely possible that they can change their minds.So as of right now Peter has them all, but until he uses another one on the show, it's possible for a change. The writers are allowed to change their minds even if they have said (in the past) that he has them all .
While I agree that it's always a possibility, that doesn't mean it's even close to being equally plausible and probable. So that does not mean that they did change their minds, just because they could... far from it. The plausibility and probability need to be backed up by evidence to even come close, considering.
Thus, it pretty much demands some questions... What evidence is there that they did change their minds, and why should the idea that they changed their minds be entertained?
So, I've got to respectfully ask, Creator... What evidence is there and why should the idea be entertained?
Sure Peter has only displayed TK from Sylar (and MAYBE IA if you credit that for his better control once his memory returned) but we haven't even seen Sylar use the, what, 4-6 gifts he got between Davis and Walker..maybe they're useless or so closely mirror something he already has as to be hard to use. I mean, if Peter is half asleep in front of a blank canvas, which ability manifests, Dream Precognition or Painting Precognition? Or how what about levitating with TK or hovering with Flight? How can he differentiate with his tiny, tiny brain?
prander,
We disagree. Acceptable. I have stood where you now stand on the subject (Has Peter absorbed all of of Gabriel's powers?) and I have changed my mind. I am certain (from where you stand) that my opinions, theories, observations (well-documented on this discussion forum) would not impart enough energy in you cause you to change (especially given that you base your opinion on what you've gathered from the writers...a justified authority).
So, I will ask again that you be willing to wait to see what unfolds on the show itself. I will risk being wrong because it works for me. Be well.
Creator
We disagree. Acceptable. I have stood where you now stand on the subject (Has Peter absorbed all of of Gabriel's powers?) and I have changed my mind. I am certain (from where you stand) that my opinions, theories, observations (well-documented on this discussion forum) would not impart enough energy in you cause you to change (especially given that you base your opinion on what you've gathered from the writers...a justified authority).
So, I will ask again that you be willing to wait to see what unfolds on the show itself. I will risk being wrong because it works for me. Be well.
Creator
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