Well this is something that I think that can be discussed , In the show when he see Sylar with any of is victims they are from what he can see defenseless, most of them I think because whether the victims ability's are passive like Charlie's or because their ability's require physical contact in order to be used. Now when Sylar engages Peter for the first time he tries to cut Peter's head open, when fails Peter send's Sylar flying across the room with Telekenisis an abillity that can be used at a distance. Imagine that Sylar confronts Elle he grabs her throw's her against a wall an then what...she can still kill him with her electricity, any ideas of how Sylar could kill Elle?

By getting close enough to her when she isn't expecting it. Since telekinesis is a power that can be used at a distance, he could cut off her head from behind a glass wall or something.

Or do it the Pokemon way and wear rubber gloves

Elle is one of the few people in the show that I think can easily kick Sylar's arse.

That's another interesting topic, there must be a limit in the distance from where Sylar can do is little "trick" of cutting people's heads

Well since he is getting Claire's power before he runs into Elle, its a fairly moot point now, she can't stop him now, woot.

I think the best way would be to catch her off-guard, maybe knock her out first. Also, we know from the GN that her weakness is water. (Not sure if that counts as a spoiler since it's in the GN. Better safe than sorry)

She could actually fry his brain

Electro-slushy!

Well, what if he TKed her against the wall with her face against the wall so that she couldn't see him? Could she really hit him if she can't see him and if she can't really move? Since he doesn't even need to touch her (at least before he slices off her head) and can open her up from a distance, could she really put up much of a fight?

She doesn't need to see you to fling lightning at you. And Sylar's proven that he can't keep someone "pinned" when he's distracted.

And Elle appears to have greater range than Sylar. He's never been more than a handful of feet from his target when he did the slicing thing, but Elle has repeatedly been on the other side of a fairly large room.

I bet Elle could electrify a whole room if she wanted. HRG told her that in tests she could power "whole city blocks." Risky if there are good guys in the room though.

True, but that doesn't necessarily mean she can hit him.

If he got hit, sure. Otherwise, I disagree.

But could she do all that while TKed against a wall and can't move?

Well, she's also proven to be a bad shot sometimes, even if she's looking at her target. See the GN "Going Postal" with Echo DeMille, she missed him with her first shot, for example.

Besides, we don't exactly know what Sylar's capable of with his telekinesis... Perhaps he can "redirect" the electricity / lightning, perhaps he can do like Echo did and "convert" it into another form of energy or perhaps he can TK the sprinklers on in a building and turn that against her, for examples.


Just speculation...

She doesn't need to. All she needs is to fling enough to make him concentrate on not getting crispied.


Why not. She's already proven she doesn't need her hands.

But can she fling enough while TKed against a wall while not being able to see him while not using her hands?

I can throw baseball, but I can't throw one with near as much power when I'm tied up like I can when I'm not tied up or if I try to "throw" one with my feet.

Just throwing it out there...

Does the baseball emerge from your hand without you putting any force into it? At least once we've seen Elle just turn around and open her hand. The result was Crispy Ricky.

And she doesn't need her hands. It appears to emerge from whatever part of her body she wants it to- remember the ellectric kiss with Peter?

She's had the same training Noah has. She's got the ability to use her powers in ways Sylar's previous victims had not.

She may have an "electric kiss," but can she "crisp Ricky" with just her mouth or does that require her hands? What about her feet, could she shoot an "electric ball" out of her feet like she did when West tried to fly Claire away? There's too many unknowns, but so far we've only seen "fling enough" come from her hands. Can she really be the same effective powerhouse if her hands are incapacitated, what if he TKed her palms to each other or to her body?

Well she seems to have improved in that area in "Cautionary Tales" that electric ball against West while he was flying I would say it was a pretty good shot!

Well, I guess you guys are assuming Sylar wants to get info out of her and not kill her.

But lets say he wants to kill her, then he could use any of the following:

Sylar has the following Powers (In approx. order):

1. Telekinesis (Brian Davis)
2. Cryokinesis [flash freezing] (Unknown)
4. Liquefication of Solids (Zane Taylor)
5. Induced Reactivity (Ted Sprague)

But if he doesn't want to kill her and needs to get info from Elle, he could use his liquefication or induced reactivity to melt the floor under her feet and use his TK to hold himself up.

Actually, we're saying it doesn't matter.

Sylar is up against something he has never dealt with before. A Special who is not only combat trained with her ability, but also in total control of it. Elle is a level of dangerous that he has never encountered and cannot truly appreciate.

Wait, I have a question.

Can Elle control lightning just by THINKING about it? Like she could stay perfectly still and there's an electrical party going on around her? Because THAT would make it a lot harder for Sylar, since it won't matter if he can use his TK to keep her immobile or not.

Nothing to do with this, but I just realized Matt could also defeat Sylar once he has as much control over his ability as Maury did.

Can't prove it, but I'd guess so. She definitely doesn't need her hands.

I can't remember the scene perfectly, but when HRG had Elle handcuffed, she tried to create an electrical current through her body (not a lightning strike) to get out. This backfired because of the metal cuffs. I think it's evidence that she can create an electrical storm (though it's by no means conclusive).

Ted was also a "directed energy" character, and he primarily used his hands as well- but, again, he was dangerous because he didn't require his hands to use his power.

BAsically, I think you're right. (Although she did build the electricity in her hands, and through the water and metal ended up having feedback.)

If Elle could direct a lightning strike at Sylar without having to move herself, then yeah, he'd be a goner.

The only way I could think of Sylar killing Elle, is if he catches her when she's not expecting and kills her fast. Like, in her sleep... but that would make for terrible TV.

She definitely doesn't need to move. She blasted Ricky from the other side of the bar- and all she did was turn around.

And guess who has Ted's power... All he has to do is "burn not" and she's a goner. And he has his other powers that make him even more dangerous, that I didn't want to bring up.

A lot of it boils down to how versatile his intuition power really is, not only in regards to all his stolen powers, but in regards to how he can defeat Elle. We don't know what his true potential is.

I'm undecided as to who could hypothetically win a fight. They've both got experience, knowledge, etc. of their respective powers.

Of course, it just depends on how the writers want to write it.

It "backfired" because her feet were in Mr. Muggle's doggie bath in water and she self electrocuted.

The only example of Elle facing Sylar is when he's powerless. But she doesn't have whatever his "stealth" abilities are.

If HRG can figure this, Sylar could. Freezing her, liquefying her. I don't see Elle winning. She can get off some blasts, but he's just going to do that thing we can't talk about.

She started the charge in her hands and it coursed through her body - to her feet, in the doggie bath. That's why I think it's evidence that she can create an electrical field in addition to lightning bolts. Like I said, not conclusive. Just evidence.

I think it would be a really close fight. Sylar's not used to coming up against someone who knows what to do with him. You can bet Elle's read his file, and like it's been said before: she's combat trained. I think it'll be an exciting fight and the writers could really go either way with it.

But Sylar's never had to use his in real combat. Elle obviously has.


HRG figure it out because he was there when she was tested. He knows her limits, because he was present when she was taken to them.
Sylar doesn't know Elle from a hole in the ground.

He knows the principles of her powers and what they are. He's good at figuring things out. He knows certain things about electricity that everyone does.

Also who says with his TK he can't use her power against her?

True he's never--as far as we know--gone up against a trained aggressively powered agent like Elle before, and I'm not saying she won't give him a run for his money and in fact their fight might be what causes...Y'know.

But she's still got just one power and he's got several. I think he can use them in concert together. TK and liqufication of objects and freezing can cause her all sorts of problems. He can cause walls to collapse with his radioactivity . I mean he' can send objects hurtling at her freezing the floor causing her to slip and fall.

Also he can melt metal and burn her with it and dissolve a floor if he wants to.

All of which require concentration. The only thing he's proven himself able to use while doing something else is TK. And, although that's great, it doesn't do him much good when his targets frying him down to ash.

It's not going to be a pretty fight, but I'd be surprised if Elle didn't come out on top. Figuratively speaking.

i love it

He was able to unfreeze Hiro's stopping of time and freeze and brake Hiro's sword.

He stopped Matt's bullets and tosses them back at him. He used his brain against Peter's considerable powers when Peter goes invisible he sends the glass shards in all directions to kill Peter.

In short, he uses his considerable intellect and as I said just because Elle throws bolts of electricity at him doesn't mean he can't catch them and send them back at her.

Maybe all he needs to do is melt her shoe heels so they stick to the floor and she can't move for a minute before he knocks her out.

There are some other thingees that lead me to her being be a bottom rather than a top.

Woooo jumping into this late.

I'd have to agree with Rebel in that a distinctive advantage Sylar might have is his resourcefulness. Say what you will about our brain-eating buddy, but he has gotten himself out of some pretty tight spaces. I'm just not sure Elle has the experience to be quite so quick thinking, especially if she caught him at a good time.

Plus, Sylar still has the boom power. Whats to say he hasn't given Elle cancer before she can even lift her finger to point? Yes he doesn't have the luxury of being able to blow up and heal like Peter, but I think he can manage to do some considerable damage.

Double check that. I've never heard anything hinting that he "unfroze" Hiro's time. I've never seen the alleged eye movement, and nothing else moved until Hiro lost control. (That's even been backed by the writers in one of the BTE interviews, I believe.)


1) Because he had a little warning. He also nearly died as a result of Noah shooting him.
2) He "used his brain" against Peter's considerable powers. Peter threw him across the room and went invisible. Sylar used his hearing and flung glass. Hardly what I'd call a fight.


Nothing we've seen from him even hints at this kind of ability.


And, again, she doesn't need to move.

I reiterate, Sylar has never gone up against someone fully trained and in control of their abilities. He has no experience in such a situation, and would not come out a winner.

I'm not sure his inexperience would mean that he would lose.

Especially against Elle who, despite being fully-trained, was easily intimated by Claire!

As I said, he has enhanced intuition power. That means he can learn in moments what could normally take months or years for everyone else and this makes him extremely adaptive and resourceful, more so than everyone else. He doesn't need to be "battle hardened" to be just as effective, deadly, etc. in combat.

I don't care what power you have, when you have his base power, you have an advantage. There is much more to combat than just offensive capability.


Actually, as for the unfreezing time part, no...
Yes, this is his major advantage over everyone.

I was just going on what I watched in the episode. The "Hard Part".

She wasn't fighting Claire. She was watching Claire. Major difference.



Guess what, he doesn't have minutes against Elle. He has seconds.

And he doesn't know what he's up against. He didn't see her attack him, so he doesn't know what her power is.

And I reiterate the key point- he's never gone up against anybody like her. The closest would be when he went after Noah. At least Noah had the training, but not the power.

Elle will kick Sylar's ****** again.

Completely agreed!

I keep hearing people talk about liquification but just saying it may not require touching the object but the user certainly needs to be very close to te object he alters, since everytime he see the ability being used the evolved human holds his hand on top of the object

I could also bring in the fact that she's never gone up against him, either. She may only have seconds before he just flings her against a wall hard enough to kill her instantly.

And just in case you're getting too wrapped up in this... Remember that it's up to the writers (not you), it's scripted.

Okay lets forget all about the spoilers that have been sitting on youtube for the last 9 months that refutes your assumptions about who takes down who.

She's already proven that she can get into action that fast. All of his best offensive powers (with the exception of TK and Nuke) require him to be close.


I've seen them. It doesn't show anybody taking anybody down.

Uh, yes, it does. Who's being dragged along the floor?

She's on the floor. Not being "dragged along it". And she's still being her sarcastic self, which means she isn't being beaten.

Translation: Sylar isn't winning.

I've seen the entire thing- even where she tells him she's not afraid of him, and he says she should be.

Also...since it is a spoiler video, and has never been aired as a trailer, perhaps you should spoiler box it. Not that it matters, since there were considerable changes after the Jules Verne teaser which you're referring to.

By winning I mean who appears to have the upper hand. It doesn't mean one has to be dead, bloodied or screaming for their momma.

It just means who has the upper hand. It doesn't look good for a certain person.

Actually, you said the clip showed someone being taken down. Since everybody was still mobile and chatting, nobody was being taken down.

Her hands are free. Sylar doesn't know what he's dealing with there.

I said:

Okay lets forget all about the spoilers that have been sitting on youtube for the last 9 months that refutes your assumptions about who takes down who.

Thien I said:

Who's being dragged along the floor?

Being taken down doesn't mean "dead" it means brought down.

And y'know who is literally brought down.



You can't get more brought down than immobilized on your back and being dragged along the floor unless your dead.

Elle's talking to Sylar on her back she can't move anything but her mouth!

Considering the fact that nobody's being dragged anywhere. (Look at her hair- it's laying flat under her. That's not going to happen with long hair when you're being dragged.)
And she's also obviously not immobilized. You can see her head and a significant portion of her upper body, and there's nothing holding her in place.
Let's just drop this, since neither of us are going to move from our positions.