Did you have a, "Nooo! What are they thinking?!", moment while watching this episode? Or find yourself shaking your head in disbelief about something that occurred that was totally implausible? Post it here.



Don't forget to vote in this episode's poll.

Once again, Hiro is totally wasting screen time. Why do we have him, why so much? Can't we just focus on other more "adult" storylines than his searching sword, searching Feud Japan, searching formular show?

I don't like the idea of MORE illegit Petrellis

Exact same plot as two previous seasons, in the future, the world is destroyed.

If any scientist was as fast as Suresh, every disease would be cured. He sees Maya get mad and before the next day, he can give anyone powers. Even in a show with flying people, what Suresh does is utterly unbelievable. Oh and he is spiderman now? Every Suresh scene has me cringing and wishing the TV would turn off.

You're not special Claire, nobody can die in Heroes. They are always back somehow (Tracy, Linderman, etc.)

Even Hiro didn't seem to save the show this time around.

I won't get into the time travelling since that has been handled badly since season 1 and that has already been discussed to death.

This episode wasn't just bad, it makes me stop watching heroes. There is nothing in it to keep me hooked. Take prison break for example. The storyline this season is cliché and downright horrible, but the characters and the chemistry keeps me watching. There are moments that still make me feel entertained and wow'ed. Same for Bones. They have stupid plot twists (Zack, and the recent breakup) that don'T work at all, but the rest of the time, the characters are insanely enjoyable and the chemistry is funny and endearing. Worth watching.

The characters in heroes are all horrible. They are always crying about their miserable lives or the world ending, leaving me to dislike them all. And when the storyline sucks, AND the characters are not enjoyable, there is no reason to keep watching.

Mind you, this is only an opinion.

Yea, not too fond of the Angela being Sylar's mom, doesn't necessarily mean he's a Petrelli though....

holyspidoo.. Then why bother coming on here and complaining if you hate Heroes? You joined this site today at 9:57 p.m. right after the episode and your first post is to complain? Why even join if you hate it so much. Leave. We don't want or need you here.

Yeah, not a big fan of Sylar Petrelli

and also "we should've got Sprint" *facepalm* oof

I can't be the only one not immediately assuming that Mrs. Petrelli is Sylar's mom and there's some sort of crazy illusion/hallucination plot twist.

Right?

...Right?

You are entitled to your opinion and all, but if you hate the show so much, hanging out on here would be a waste of your time and energy.


As for my gripe about the show. I have very few... one of them being Sylar as Angela's kid. Seems so wrong to me

I agree with what's been said already:

• Plot feels familiar. Another 'save the world' fantasy with time travel as the centerpiece. It was a treat to have episodes like "5 Years Gone" -- now the series not only starts with one, it looks to hop back and forth between them? There's something too surreal, distracting, and annoying about actors portraying their 'evil twin' (Nikki excluded). Think bad daytime soap opera plots...
• Another illegitimate Petrelli? Cringing at the thought of Sylar as Nathan's brother. Hm.
• Multipowers. I'm all for powers developing, but can't the writers spread the wealth? Give accessory powers (like Ando's firefists, Mohinder's Spidey-sense, Nikki's freezy-pop, and Christine's implied suggestibility) to new characters!
• Sex. Do we really need to add sex to a comic-book show? Bleh.
• Immortality. Apparently no one stays dead. The ghost and cameo appearances worked once upon a time, but as recurring characters? Sheesh. And talk about job security -- Sylar to Claire: "You can't die. And now, neither can I." Guess they'll be on the show for years to come... (One caveat: Yay, I am glad that Nathan survived!)
• No regular Joes? Does everyone hafta have powers? Ando and Mohinder's charm were that they were mortals...now...
• Dropped plot points. Whatever happened with the Primatech vault? So many clues, so many ways to add to the story. So many good ideas dropped.

I'll still watch the show...but it feels a little heavy. Something's not quite right. Perhaps it will get back in the groove as the season goes on.

to all the posts about same plot idea. Isnt this a superhero show? Aren't superheroes always trying to save the world?

not saying somethings couldnt be better? but i would honestly like to know what some of you would have them do if they werent trying to save the world? Walk dogs.. or bag groceries? i mean seriously i figured people that watched this show might actually understand the concept of the show.

I guess I'm mostly irritated.

I think most will agree that the first 2 season had a problems with the pace of story development being too slow at times, actually most of the time it was agonizingly slow.

Now I think we have seen the opposite. As I was watching I had the feeling the writers were throwing every idea they could think of into the mix and see what sticks in the most convoluted plot they could come up with. Nearly every character seems to be starting from scratch and too many seem to be starting from the middle of a story we haven't seen, yet... Another thing I'm not encouraged by is very few of the characters are very likable. Even the reliable standbys like Claire and Hiro weren't endearing, self pity and idiocy are not likable. Ironically, Parkman was the only real person that seemed interesting.

Next few shows should either gives us a story to follow, or punch us in the face with incomplete story lines shooting in every direction.

I thought these episodes were too talky, too much exposition. Bring on the effects, action, mystery, suspense!



Ha ha, I agree! I actually cheered when Mr. Muggles popped onto the screen. Good ol' Mr. Muggles... But Ando with firefists? Moho with spidey-sense? What power will HRG have (you know it's coming)? Meh.



I think we have a few more b*-slaps coming...

i really liked the episodes. it was very intense in my opinion. there were very many funny lines amongst very dark and violent scenes... which i liked very much. but the idea of anyone having powers kinda scares me, especially since that's what made mohinder and ando so real. oh and how claire can't die, even though we all thought that you could kill a regen by beheading them. i guess the writer's will have to get real creative with how they build tension since they can't really put those characters into any actual danger.

my main concern though was the "sex scene". as ridiculously fine as Dania Ramirez is, all i could think was "sex in heroes? wtf?!" i think we could've all done without it. but then again i'm not totally complaining.

I enjoyed the show and mohinder's upcoming story he has going on. Only thing is i agree with others about Hiro. I think they should go another route with him besides his side quest. Just doesnt seem as good as the other stuff going on or his from last season.

Exactly! I thought that there were too many soap opera plotlines.

And yet another Star Wars ripoff (also very soap opera-ish).


Agreed. Add to that, there needs to be new powers. Too much fire, ice, flying and super-strength.


Yeah. That's pretty much a Deus Ex Machina for the show. Kills the suspense for the show.

Again, agreed.




I'll give it a couple more shows, but i may be bailing on it. I couldn't really sit through the shows tonight. They were pretty boring.

To top it off, they introduced The Greatest American Hero, only to have him immediately killed off. At least Sulu and Caligula came back even after death.

YIKES! You sound like an angrier version of me over season two. Anyhow, although I don't hate the show and DO see that the writers have made improvements this season there still are some negatives.


Peter Petrelli, past and future, is a complete imbecile. He is the only man who can get defeated by himself. That and he isn't intelligent enough to think that doing one or two things in the past will completely re-write the future? I mean, even nerdy Hiro knew that messing with the past would re-write the future entirely even way back in the first season when he was still learning about his powers.

As for Peter? Well, Angela actually said that Peter is a dum-dum, although using different words. Peter made things worse by traveling to the past for HE actually is responsible for all of the villains being set loose from Level 5.

Think about it, in the original time line of Peter's future, Claire went to Odessa while Sylar went to her California home and didn't find her, thus didn't acquire Claire's regeneration which made it so he never went to Company headquarters and never had the confrontation with Elle that would free the Level 5 villains. However, due to his inability to think, Peter changed things just by telling Claire to stay home, which lead to Sylar getting her power, which lead him to his confrontation with Elle and there you have it.

Peter Petrelli, the worst hero in the history of the genre right up there with Fearless Photog.

I liked both episodes. From what some of you people had to say, I'm surprised you even own a TV because you'll never be satisfied by anything on TV that anyone could ever create. How realistic is it to expect the show to answer every single possible question and fully develop every character in 2 episodes? Come on, that's ridiculous. Exposition? Of course they are going to explain a few more things in the first episodes because they are trying to make sure brand new viewers can keep up as well as bridge storylines from last season. This is a TV show, not a novel, they have to move things along. Complaining about Heroes saving the world? What are they supposed to do, they're freakin heroes. That's what heroes do. Perhaps you'd like to watch them all sit around at picnics in the park or meeting for bingo games. That would make for fascinating TV. They set up several storylines, not just one - Hiro preventing the formula from getting out, capturing/killing the level 5 escapees, Mohinder and the ability to give powers - as well as a few other storylines that are a little more unclear - Matt lost in Africa, Tracy with her newfound power and her connection to Nikki/Jessica, Nathan with his Senate position and Linderman visions, Peter getting back to his body, etc. There's always 1 or 2 characters on every show that someone doesn't like, so I don't really see that as a big deal. They obviously can't make every viewer happy. But most of the critiques I see posted here sound like nothing more than narrow-minded, unimaginative thoughts by people who can't just sit back and be "entertained". Just because something "could" have happened one way, doesn't mean that's the only way it has to happen and obviously you can't just kill off the main characters or end the main storylines in first few minutes or there'd be no show. Without a doubt, these same people will watch every single episode, real the graphic novels, etc. and continue to post here each week about how the show, storylines and/or characters "suck" with the occasional "threat" to stop watching the show if some certain thing isn't changed to their liking. Unfortunately, that's what most internet message boards seem to degenerate to nowadays. Watching it unfold is predictable, a little sad but most definitely comical.

Just didn't work, too much jumping around, shouldn't have taken them 2 hours to do it! I agree, giving Mohinder powers kinda ruined his whole character! They should have just had Mohinder cure Maya and be done with it all and wrote her out of the show. Nathan finding religion was absolutely bizarre, guess the writers knew it was an election year, and every election year politicians find religion! I agree with the people who say nobody ever dies on the show, it seems like the writers are character collectors rather then writing a cohesive storyline! And where did Claire's mom come from, as far as I remember (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) her parents didn't know about her, HRG thought she died in the fire. Getting rid of West was a big mistake (I kept waiting for him to come and save her from Sylar), from rewatching season 2 on DVDs, that was a really cute storyline with their romance! And I think they could have done a lot with him where it seems like they are taking Claire's character. If they are going to teleport Matt half-way around the world, and get rid off molly, they should have just gotten rid of Matt for the season too.

Cheerleader:
Claire found and meet her mom (Meredith) in season 1 already so they knew from each other.
You must have forgotten? She went back to mexico for a while but obviously returns now to help claire.

Jim3772 and the others that are complaining about the people that are negative in this thread:
You guys must have missed the title of the topic which clearly says: Episode 3.02 REVIEWS - Negative, The Butterfly Effect.

With other words, if you enjoyed the show then go to the positive review and write about how much you liked it instead of coming on this topic bashing people that didn't liked these episodes.

Actually, Jim3772 and the others are entitled to their opinions. While the thread says "negative," a 'did you' question was posed. That means the answer could have been yes or no, so what they posted is legitimate. They're just stating what they think, just like all the others. Plus, they didn't list what they liked about the episode, just countered what the others said.

That said, my only qualm about the episode is possible Gabriel Petrelli. Plot twist sure, but I think there are enough Petrellis.

Uh, no.

The "did you" questions was basically "Did you dislike parts of the show? (if so) post it here." It wasn't a yes or no question, so the people whinging about the people pointing out what they didn't like is unwelcome and completely useless.

Just as the people who didn't like the episodes shouldn't go bashing the "positive" thread, the people who loved the season opener should stay out of here.

I have to agree with this majority of this thread. Both of these episodes were sorely disappointing. I'll continue watching - but I'm really hoping they're going to resolve this chapter with a reset button to get it back to status quo.

My biggest concern with this season is the lack of consistency in the character development. The changes they're making to Mohinder, Claire, Peter, even Hiro and Ando are not consistent with their character development thus far and require a huge leap in suspesion of disbelief.

Also - it appears the writers were so eager to start a "fresh" volume, and have it stand alone, that they completely dropped 90% of everything they did in the last 2 seasons. Other than to intro those characters (who they're now altering completely) nothing that happened in the last two seasons really matters.

That said - there are a few things I'm interested to learn how they resolve (present peter in another body, degrading mohinder, Sylar/HRG team up) but they created these plot points at the expense of their previous character development, and again, requires a larger suspension of disbelief than normal for this show.

Oh - and here's my pre-emptive response to all the flamer-trolls: Settle down. Constructive criticism is a good thing.

Can't say I'm a fan of Nathan's new personality, but other than that I don't have many complaints. I will want a...thorough...explanation of what exactly Future Peter did with Peter, though.

Oh. I concede; I didn't see that there was a mirror thread for the positive. Sorry.
But I do have one more point to make. For those who just outright bashed the show, please do tone it down. As Snoobic said, constructive criticism is fine. Plus, it said negative reviews about the episode, not the whole show.

I don't mean to be a smart-a$ but, this thread is for negative reviews, and people have the right to express their dislikes. I actually liked both episodes very much but, there are a few things I didn't care for, and it's interested to read others opinions of what they liked or dislike.

I think that is so funny, because I feel the opposite. I think most characters are acting pretty naturally.

Hiro has always wanted to feel special, so anything blocking him from feeling special feeds his curiosity (what is in the safe.)

Ando started out the same great friend Ando and is slowly becoming exactly like Hiro's future as Hiro slowly pushes Ando away.

The Peter we are seeing is future Peter, so of course he will have a separate set of morals, so his character development is pointless.

Mohinder and Claire have the same problem, they feel lifeless and helpless. Mohinder has been beaten by Sylar twice, why would he not want the ability to protect himself. As to his change in his personality, look what ahppened to Sylar once he found out he was special. Claire on the other hand is the total opposite and as she mentioned is trying to be strong, but is losing all desires and hope as a human.

I'm not too keen on Nathan's sudden new found faith. It just seemed to completely come out of the blue. But I'm willing to suspend judgement until they give us the full reason behind it and how Linderman is connected to it, which isn't something that's likely to be explained away in an episode or two.

I'm not that impressed by the body switching either. It's a tired plot device and it just feels like another twist on the amnesia thing from last season and I didn't really understand Future Peter's reasoning behind it.

Like others have said, I'm still a bit meh on Sylar being Angela's son (if he really is). I'm hoping it's just her being her usual awesome self and using manipulation to further her own agenda. But again, I'm willing to suspend judgement and see how this plays out.

While I take everything on this show at the value of "It's a comic book show" I do have to say that Sylar as Angela's son is a stretch. However, the series hasn't played out so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt to just be goading us with a leading cliffhanger.

I thought that Mohinder's story was a real kick in the teeth. I do hope that all the stories tie into the ending quite well, cause at this point it looks like we have a lot to keep up with (A Ma/Mo romance I hope isn't one of them)

I apologize, I thought this was the thread for negative reviews (from the title and parent poster). There is little point (and little fun) in saying negative things about a show to people who don't watch it too, so I thought this thread was the place for it. A place to see if others were as disappointed as me in the direction of the show.

It sads me to post in this thread because although i never found the Series to be perfect, I always thought it was by far better than anything else out there. That said, I do not know what to think of this new season. It was... what's the word? fast, yeah thats it. My biggest concern is the lack of continuation. Example...how in blue earth did Sylar knew where to find Claire? in no episode on season 2 did Sylar ever learned about Claire's new address (in season one he knew of odessa, but she is now in California). Then Mohinder solved the mystery that had been one of the important arcs in 2 seasons in only five minutes? And not in his lab, but at his apartment with only a microscope? I admit, seen Mohinder becoming a mix of Peter Parker and Jeff Goldblum (the fly) was cool.. and see him just go for it with Maya was also cool (finally he became a man LOL), but is sooooooo far fetched it left a bad taste in my mouth.

And now we have indestructible Sylar... come on! The fun with Sylar before was that that power always eluded him... and in the first 30 min. of the season he have it! Then now, "we give Sylar his power, but we cant ****** off the Claire's fans, so we let her keep her skull" WTF!

Then we have all this time travelling thing, that although cool, its way to easy... every single crisis is going to involved time travel... i dont mind that, but the show havent really explained clearly about this time travel business, take a break, clear all the doubts about it and then move on and use it, once everything is clear... we still have questions from Season 1 that haven't been answer!! do not stack question after question... its going to become Lost... literrally.. I am sorry for rambling on... I would not go that far saying I will not watch anymore, no way, I still like this series and I am sticking with it... but I am scare of how this season will be... at least after watching the first 2 episodes...

I have been a faithful fan since the original pilot, and II'll preface this by saying that I loved the two episodes. However, there were a couple of things that bothered me.

I was not fond of seeing Ali Larter back. I know I saw her in promos etc, but I really feel as if they need to let people go. I understand that she is a different character, but I dunno, as of right now, I'm not too sold on her being there. Then again, I never fully liked her storyline, so maybe Tracy's will be better than Niki/Jessica's.

At first I was HIGHLY UPSET that Linderman was back, but when I realized that he's not really, fully there, I can tolerate it...for now.

I'm going to reserve my thoughts on Angela being Sylar's mother, because as of right now, I don't fully believe it. There has to be something else to that story. If she really is though, I'm not going to like that.

And finally, Peter being stuck in Jesse I truly hope does not last more than another week or so. We don't need another season 2 where Peter is stuck somewhere for most of the season.

I posted in another thread above this one how sad it is to see them write the characters as so remarkably stupid/lacking basic judgment skills.

Okay...

Heroes season 3 is finally here and it was good to see it back.

I want everyone to know I love Heroes, and I am not trying to stir up a flame war of trolls marching on Normandy... just noting things that seemed off to me...

That said, it felt a little empty in the regard that (and I know some of you may prefer this) it almost seemed as though season 2 never occured.

The resolution of loose ends was either ignored or addressed awkwardly:

1. Peter's Irish Girlfriend lost in the Shanti Virus future, no mention, and no intention to save her.

2. The shanti virus, which removed Nikki/Jessica's powers could have replicated to remove Maya's Powers, since she wants to be rid of them so badly...

3. The death of Alejandro -- Maya seems to not grieve at all, since she is to busy with the new and improved Mohinder/BrundleMo...

4. The Death of Kaito Nakamura/passing of the torch to Hiro: Yes it is shown Kaito has passed. But the character of Hiro CHANGED FOREVER as a result of that event, he made steps toward becoming the man we see from the future, his placement of Monroe into an eternal (Yeah, right) incarceration in the cemetary is too far removed from where we find him at the beginning of the episode. I felt the whole "Do not open the safe." "I must open the safe!" " "I told you not to open the safe" was ridiculous, and plunged Hiro back to being an immature, though loveable man not ready to truly be called a hero. It's really sad that Ando had more respect for Kaito's memory than Hiro did.

5. Bob and Elle: Bob we hardly knew ye.. Good Luck. Elle, Villian, Anti Hero, Destined to become a shock jock on radio? I look forward to new developments.

6. West... Couldn't Kring at least given him a great Sylar send off as well? It's win-win! West haters see him dead, West Fans see him die a hero!

7. The Sylar is a Petrelli statement: I think it was a metaphor, she will become the mother-figure he always needed, who understands him- unlike his biological mother. Besides if he was Angela's son he would be Claire's Uncle, and all suggestive remarks would become even more disturbing... this is Heroes, not Star Wars.

8. No Molly. Well I would have liked to have seen her, maybe we will later. I think a young girl who can find anyone on Earth may be able to find Parkman or Mohinder later, it's just a matter of time.

9. Parkman in Africa... Has promise and actually made sense that Future Peter would send him into the middle of nowhere, He'll be okay, he knows Britney Spears...

10. Peter trapped in Jesse... We barely saw a sane rational Peter for season 2 now we won't see him interacting with anyone in S3... Upsetting this development could be.

11. Linderman... Anybody seen Farscape? It's Harvey all over again.

12. Tracy/Nikki: No comment. Maybe the governor will send her to Zahardoom.

But then you didn't concede, did you? You're still whining about the criticism. This thread is not for you and your pals.

We will not "tone it down". No one has outright bashed the show. To a fervent fanboy/girl like yourself, any critique will be "bashing".





As far as continuity, they totally skipped over Sylar having Uncle Glen's power. I hope that they remember to put it in later.

There is a lot of potential with this story line. However I find it is a bit to similar to the X-Men Days of Future Past story line. I am expecting Sentinels this season hunting down those with special powers in the future.

This does not bother me as the future she is in is lost forever and current Peter hasn't even had a chance to do anything about it yet as in minutes after he Nuked the Virus, his brother was shot and then he was teleported into someone elses body.



This one does need to be addressed and that was a possible cure and should be more evaluated. I am hoping Mohinder will have to go back to it now that he is having difficulties.

I mostly loved the episode, except for one thing...

Mohinderfly.

Things that bug me:

* The Company is scared of THOSE guys?? Fire wielder, sound manipulator, and what else again? Why are they WORSE than Sylar or Adam? I'm sorry, but they came across as common thugs with easily countered powers.

* Personally, I would have liked to see HRG let his little girl grow up and join in in kicking ****** in the real world. Not continuing to be babysat at home where she's "safe". More exposition from HRG on how he doesn't want Claire to "become another Elle" would solve this for me.

* If Sylar is indeed another Petrelli, it's an unneeded plot device in my eyes. The character is fine without adding that, so it better be integral to the storyline.

* Mohinder - just everything. Complete change of character that should have been handled over the course of 3-4 episodes instead of two. There's already a topic on how his story is a "Fly" ripoff, so no more need be said (although if Maya dies giving birth to a giant larvae, I will be pleased). And as someone already mentioned - there IS a "cure" for the powers. Did Mo forget?

There were many things I liked, but unless they get these items resolved, it's Season 2 all over again.

You know, I agree with a lot of the criticism here. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I love this show, and I'm sure I'll keep watching. But it seems like the writing has been declining since season 1. I can't explain it, something has just felt "off" since the first hiatus. There are so many great scenes/dialogue throughout the series so far, but it's like they're all glued together with this theme of "where do we go with this?" I don't know.

It's incredible because there are so many opportunities to make Heroes amazing, and then they try to make us believe that Future Peter would actually travel back in time to kill his brother just before his big revelation to the public. Why not show up a few days earlier? Why not just explain to Nathan that he can't tell the people about their abilities because it screws up the future?

Angela Petrelli says her power is the "future dreams" thing. So does that mean she DOESN'T have the power of suggestion that a lot of us previously thought? Sylar better not actually be her son. I was really hoping that she was just "suggesting" that to him, so that she could control him. I'm still holding out for that.

I don't even want to get into the Mohinder thing. It all happened way too fast. I feel like I was drugged during his and Maya's scenes. The only thing kind of cool about Mohinder now is that it seems he'll be taking on a power we haven't yet seen. And that's it.


I know all this stuff has been said already, so I'll stop here. I just think that the first season's episodes had more of a richness to them. I felt for the characters more. It was a character driven story with some super-human abilities thrown in. Now, it seems, it's just the opposite. Let's wow the audience with flames and ice and amazing special effects and leave the character development alone. Company man is one of my all-time favorites. I don't know if it's because it focused on a few rather than everyone, but it also had a great mixture of character and special effects. There was an emotional investment in the people on the screen and their situation.

stopping now.

I know Claire met her, but as far as we know, her parents never knew that she met her 'bio-mom'. and HRG didn't know she was even alive. So who knows?

Disappointed in it, seems like they are making the same mistakes as last year, but I'll keep watching, hope it gets better, and hope it doesn't get cancelled.

what about us in the gray area? please tell me b/c I don't have the ability to see only in black or white

I think your missing the point a little, I think the suprise was supposed to be that HRG knew about Meredith surviving from when she was supposedly "killed" when Claire was a baby or from her meeting her last season. The line where he said she would be in good hands leads me to believe the first.

If you guys take the time to write negetives about the show.

You might as well not watch it.

But my only negetive review is that the SFX on the Mohinder scene were pretty bad.

Every other effect was awesome. I just didnt like it when Mohinder hung from the ceiling like spider man.

And you guys are all lame for hating season 3!!!

Overall is very good, don't expect to go everything you way, because the director isn't make a episode based on your interest but based on overall fan wanted, since he like gave us what most of fan wanted, bring back most of the character that we love, and gave us lots of bizzare storyline that can go bothway, and a lot more special effect was used. Ando and Hiro finally tag a journey, Mohinder find a new superpower, Nathan is alive and well, etc... Director do pain attetion fan reaction of the episode, there's reason why many character might not come back due to fan request like bob etc.. (kill by sylar) Of course we all know Director is focus on Sylar which is what most fan wanted.

I don't think it's an issue of the director at all. I have no problem with the direction. It's the writing that's a problem. And you can't defend inconsistencies and poor writing on fan reaction.

UPDOG, just because some people write negatives about a show, doesn't mean they should stop watching it. There's nothing wrong with critiquing a program. Obviously we all like the show in some way or another, otherwise we wouldn't be on this board. But there's going to be a certain amount of disappointment sometimes in the direction a show takes, or inconsistencies that are amazingly overlooked before production. That's why this board is here. For those of us that feel the writers dropped the ball in whatever way, we can talk about it here. If you can't handle that, if you're too immature to deal with these comments, then maybe you should stick to other sections of the boards. Perhaps you should start a "I Need To Grow Up" thread? Just a little advice.

I've been a hard core sci-fi/fantasy fan since I was nine years old, when Star Wars hit theatres in 1977, and a fan of horror films ever since my elderly next door neighbor let me sit with him in his basement to watch scary B-horror films from the '40s, '50s and '60s when I was six.

Nowadays, I'm not just a casual fan but a screenwriter and comic book writer who works exclusively in the sci-fi/fantasy/horror genre. I've been a die-hard Heroes fan since the pilot episode. Sure, the show has had its ups and downs, its "OMG, that's awesome!" and "WTF were they thinking?" moments. Season One was fan-freakin'-tastic. Season Two was...well, we all know how things went with Season Two. The production team promised changes and fixes in Season Three, and I'm really hoping to see that. But so far...well, let's just say I have my doubts. As others have pointed out in this thread, there have been glaring inconsistencies in character development and poorly thought out plot devices intended to keep things moving along, issues, plots and characters from past episodes, going back two seasons, have been dropped like a hot rock and the writers have stated in interviews and blog posts that they don't really have any solid plans to do much about it. At this point the show is a confusing mess -- a very expensive, visually stunning, beautifully directed and choreographed mess.

I know a few writers of the show and the online graphic novel series. Some are friends, some even work for me on my webcomic series (or will, once their schedule clears). I fully recognize the incredibly hard work that they all do trying to keep this insanely expensive, fast-running train from derailing. I hope and pray that all the wrinkles will get ironed out by the end of Season Three, or I won't be back for Season Four (if there is one).

KJC


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The only thing I disliked from the episode was Hiro's chastising of Ando due to what he saw in the future. I didn't hate it but I just didn't like that he just stopped trusting him.

ay theres like over 40 something posts and i dont feel like reading them all so if this has been said then ignore or whatever but heres what i dont like so far and im just gonna be straightfoward.

1. Sylar being Angela's son almost made me face palm myself
2. the whole mohinder maya thing
3. the whole formula and future being destroyed and ando/w powers and a speedster thing
4. when meredith entered the room. she didnt say a word. all she did was open her hand and a flame appeared. what the hell was that?! if i were her id say hi to my daughter or something not show her something shes already seen ya know? just something that bugged me

theres also some other things that bothered me but over all the premeire was great.

I just have to say, I'm a true fan. I thoroughly enjoyed both episodes... great setups for a lot of interesting storylines for this season. I'm really excited.

I'm sick and tired of people complaining about it. Really, if you have better ideas, go become a script writer.

Overall, great job. Anyone who doesn't realize that its going to take a few episodes to really unravel the story should just stop watching now and take their impatient rearends elsewhere.

Not to mention... this whole Sylar Petrelli crap... come on. It was the last scene of the episode - you have no idea what validity is held there - if you're going to stop watching the show because you're going to take everything at face value, then you shouldn't watch the show to begin with because its obviously too intricate for your "black or white" minds.