Just wondering. I don't think that he is alive right now, but that's just me.

Yeah the way tracy just ignored him...Nathan is def seeing things if you ask me. Either way weird to see him back

The chess scene confirmed it. Either Nathan is loco or Linderman is a representation of the little devil on his shoulder. My guess is both.

So, no one can see Linderman but Nathan.. Are ghosts going to come into play this season? ...Personally I hope not.

Daphne cleearly saw him

Wait...what? Where was that scene?

Someone is either controling Nathan's mind with an illusion (Maury, Candice like) or he has honestly lost his mind. I think he has just gone bonkers, personally.

I think it has something to do with Linderman's ability.

Yes, I agree. He can't just be a figment of Nathan's imagination.

Lindermen's ability is to heal. No way he can do anything else.


The question is though, DID Lindermen heal Nathan, or did the magic blood keep?

All abilities can evolve , or at least some.

But how does healing evolve to being invisible and unhearable?

Nothing to say that someone else's abilities aren't influencing it either.

Perhaps Lindermans soul resurrected Nathan , or something. I don't know , all I said is I think his ability has something to with it.

^^This

The evolution is not a logical one. That would be tantamount to saying that Claire's ability to regenerate evolves into flying. It just does not fit.

I am not trying to make that big of a jump.

My guess:

Peter's little kiss brought Nathan back. I'm sure Peter's been exposed to Linderman in his youth, and this future Peter has a better grasp on what powers he has.

Also, I think Linderman's dead...but I'm wondering if we should begin debating whether or not Nathan's all alive yet. Teetering inbetween life and death might be what's going on here.

Linderman can bring things back from the dead. Perhaps his power was sufficient to keep his soul alive, but not his body for some reason, essentially making him a ghost.

It's pretty close. Going from healing to being invisible and unhearable except by one person doesn't work.




That's was my first guess. I would think that Peter would have been at least near Linderman at some point in his life.

Who's to say there isn't someone like Candice around altering perceptions so no one else can see or hear Linderman, or the person causing the effect...

I don't feel like spoon feeding everything to you today.

I think Nathan's mind is in a pretty fractured state after all this. Like last season with seeing the burnt version of himself in the mirror. Just this time, it's having a more significant effect on him. He's hallucinating Linderman guiding him. As Bob said something along the lines of last season with Niki/Jessica, special people are more susceptible to multiple personality disorder and the like.

As for Nathan healing, I'm pretty sure that's Future Peter.

That makes a whole lot of sense.

FUTURE Peter didn't see him till the church though... right?

Hmm, it's interesting nonetheless. For the longest, I felt that Linderman had a seed like power. That he could affect things that he had contact with, not that he had simple healing. If that were true, perhaps he planted a "seed"? Not a physical seed, but more of a "I've had an impact on you, and so I can continue in others"? It's just a thought and if this were the case, it would certainly enforce the manipulative nature of Linderman's interactions.

No he was the one to give him a kiss.

Present Peter was gone when he ran into the bathroom chasing Future Peter.

For me this is the teory that makes the most sence...apart from Nathan going bonkers.

I dunno, why would he bring him back to life if he was so ready to shoot him again in the church?

They showed present peter staying there, then going into the room to kiss him after the docs came out. He never left the hospital after bringing him there... Future Peter came in later, looking for Nathan to make sure the job was done. That's just what I remember. I could be wrong.

I think he absorbed niki's powers somehow, knowing that sylar is their brother maybe they all have some type of absorption power.

He's definitely part of Nathan's subconscious he's dead, has been for like 6 months on the show. The question about his spirit is legit, and then Linderman could have helped bring Nathan back, but there has to be a different explanation ...

Maybe Linderman's power is more than healing, but a life force manipulation. Now, stop before you bash me about mentioning life force. Healing would be a manifestation of this manipulation. But so would keeping yourself "alive" after being killed. Remember Hana from the GNs? She physically died, but her mind stayed alive because of her ability. Now, how he returned and is only perceived by Nathan, I don't know. If someone wants to springboard off my idea, go right ahead.

I think this is very simple. Linderman is a figment inside Nathan's mind planted by Future Peter. FP has absorbed healing ability from someone, and brought Nathan back with a kiss. The entire reason FP was there was to stop him from going public, but he started again to go off on a half-nuts religious kick and so FP kissed him again and implanted the Linderman delusion, taking away Nathan's religious fixation about divine healing before it got out of hand. FP had already displayed the ability to swat down Parkman 2.0 without effort, so has obviously great control over his mentallic abilities. That all seemed pretty obvious to me.

My problem with it being Peter is that Lindermen seems to remember all the stuff Nathan knew. Did Peter ever know that Nathan and Niki...met..in Vegas? At the same time, Lindermen knowing that Niki was Tracy...


It confusing...all I know is that I really can't see Lindermen being alive. DL took some of the mans brains with him to the hospital.

Actually, that's the same Peter you're thinking of. When the PPeter chased FPeter into the bathroom, FPeter put PPeter into Jesse in Level 5. He then used illusion (or some power like that) to look like PPeter and assume that identity.

Peter loves his brother, regardless of what time period. It's just that FPeter has seemingly had a very bad life. One that he is willing to kill what he cherishes most to fix. That's why FPeter stayed there, hoping that Nathan would make it, without any more interferance in the timestream. He just healed him only after he died.

i dont think its both... i think Nate has a good head on his shoulders... he knows what hes here for.. Linderman.. on the other hand...
im not even sure what to think about that.

i agree with the whole "little devil" thing.
Linderman is obviously there to try to sway Nate's perception of everything...

I really think it was obviously FP. We know that Maury could influence minds from longe range, and Parkman 2.0 was able to defeat Maury, and FP easily handled Parkman. It would be effortless for him to maintain an illusion of Linderman from far away and read pertinent facts about their shared history from his brother's mind enough to convince Nathan he wasn't healed by God. Linderman appeared literally seconds after he closed his eyes and Future Peter kissed him.

I like to think that Linderman's soul or spirit resurrected hence the line: You're the only one who sees me, did I forget to say that? or something like that.

he could be a copy or a clone, and so could tracy
if their clones they coulad have developed different
abilities like astral projection and freezing?

I think linderman never died, i think he is currently working with other specials and another special is keeping linderman's presence hidden from everyone else. I have a feeling Nathan wont be the only person coming back from the dead this season.

So who did we see get punched through the back of the head?

Yeah, Future Peter put Linderman into his mind.

As head-characters go, Tricia Helfer is a lot more fun to watch that Malcolm McDowell.

Nathan is a little kooky right now since he was dead for a short period and brought back to life. Maybe he has a little 6th Sense and will start seeing dead people. He said he saw god (so he saw the white gates before gettting snatched backed to earth)

I'm busy so I don't have time to read all of the messages on this thread but refresh my memory. Didn't Nathan have some bizarre hallucinations before he was shot last year? Like I remember one scene where he talked to his mangled up body? And I think he talked to someone else who had died, it may have been Linderman then too. Maybe Linderman is a manifestation of that. Also I am remembering what Bob said to Niki, that her multiple personalities were not her ability, but sort of a way to cope with her abilities. I think that these hallucinations are some sort of coping mechanism for Nathan.

It's been touched on a few times in this thread already, but I'm going to put it out there plain and simple...

We know Maury is going to be/is already back from his son's mental exile from Mama Petrelli's precog dream. The reason people like Linderman and Nathan's mom were manipulating his political career was so they could basically have a puppet in power. Put two and two together, and you basically have Maury doing the exact same thing for his own interests.

The vision is in Nathan's mind, so no one else can see Linderman. And Maury is using Linderman because he's a figure that Nathan is fearful of and respects - especially now that Nathan probably believes he's "sent by God" (at least I would if I just found religion and a healer came back from the dead to talk with me).

So to answer the question in the topic title - yes, Linderman is dead.

We also get confirmation that we were seeing FPeter the whole time (since the bathroom) when Angela refers to FPeter's conversation with Claire.

I was under the impression that after FPeter saw that Nathan was going to live, he returned to the future. When he saw that things were worse off, he then came back to fix things, which is when we saw him retrieve the gun and encounter Matt.

not sure if anybody brought this up but...Nathan did take a lot of Adam Blood back then when his face was burned to heal up...could it just be a secondary effect of that blood donation? assuming Adam is the original "regeneration" guy maybe his blood has more potency and stays in the person longer.

Linderman possession case...maybe this memory/interaction simply got to do with an alternate power of the Haitian (we know that the haitian can stop people power and alter people memories but we never got into details what was the full extent of his abilities) or simply Linderman is still alive and resurrected himself like nothing happened.

Remember, Peter also has Parkman's power which evolves into something much bigger. FPeter may have set up the Linderman persona up as another way to keep Nathan quiet.

Who knows, but it's fun to speculate.

I don't care how Linderman is back, just that he's back. I was re-watching Season 1, and Nathan is a far more interesting character as a self-seeking jerk, than he ever was a Parkman-carrying-longhaired-whiner. Nathan needs to be a villain.

Linderman is dead. Head Linderman is a manifestation of the use of Maury Parkman's power.

Quesiton is - who put Linderman in Nathan's head? It is likely that it was FPeter, as FPeter apologizes to Nathan as Nathan starts spouting off about angels.

Best bet is that it is FPeter mindcontrolling Nathan and using Linderman as a mental illusion to keep him restrained.

It is possible that it is Maury doing the same thing of course. But the more likely explanation - especially as he is APOLOGIZING for it the moment before Linderman shows up, that is it FPeter.

If I remember it right, Linderman said in his graphic novels that he can't bring back the dead!
So in my opinion it must be Parkman's Dad manipulating him or something even more sinister.
Maybe a evolved human who can control the dead? Bring them back to life or use their dead bodies or minds as he pleases..

That would surely be a new imba power. (Don't get me wrong, I like powerful abilities. And we already have some pretty strong ones on the show...like Sylar's, Peters or Hiro's)